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May 13, 2016, 08:43 AM #51Audioshark
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Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Shane - not sure what you're beef is against the Kronos, as I doubt you've even had one in your system. The 35% number came from Rene at Nagra who told me his opinion after hearing the SCPS-1. Now, if you know Rene, you will know he is not one for hyperbole as he's a musician and a recording engineer as well. After A/B for himself with familiar recordings, that's what he told me.
Originally Posted by XV-1
Ha ha. Kronos distrubitors claim.
What do Kronos say?. 32.5%
Btw, when r you getting your SCPS? Must be frustrating having such a huge increase in performance just waiting to be bought.
Cheers
Louis has not given any percentage of improvement to me, but he has talked about all the sonic improvements he's heard.
Kronos is pushing the envelope of what is possible in analog playback and the old gang sit around and make jokes. Hey, I saw this after the first CES where Kronos was debuted. I was the first to say how special this table sounded. It sounded so close to R2R, that I couldn't get it out of my head. Everyone laughed. Everyone said this counter rotating table was a gimmick. Who's laughing now?
After 4 years, have you seen and read the praise Kronos gets from reviewers and more importantly, it's owners? Have you taken note how many manufacturers have bought Kronos? 5 Kronos tables at Munich this year. When Kronos is compared to the best, even tables costing 2-3 times as much and wins and then goes out and continues to push the envelope, come on man, you have to admit it's special.
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May 13, 2016, 10:44 AM #52Senior Member
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Agree with Mike on this. René is a committed engineer and audiophile. He knows his stuff. Now suggesting something as being a 35% improvement is just that, a suggestion of the degree the update has changed things. Picking apart at the number sure seems petty to me. Point is, kronos has a new accessory to it's top tt. Not everyone looking at top tier tables will want a kronos nor will some want to spend the extra money on this power supply. At the very least, like all pricy highend gear, have a listen before criticizing.
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May 13, 2016, 10:49 AM #53Senior Member
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
http://www.stereophile.com/content/m...8Qkljah4Cjm.97
Kronos accolades speak for themselves...and its the "little sister" the Sparta
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
I don't disagree. But have to add... Isn't this obvious? I mean come on guys, what are we...all in the 8th Grade? Let's grow up please... Originally Posted by tunes
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
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May 13, 2016, 09:06 PM #56Senior Member
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Mike, I have no beef with Kronos. Just having a bit of fun with the absolute % increase in performance stated, which we all know is highly subjective. Originally Posted by Mike
I want to hear the Kronos as it looks to be one of the best. Gotta be able to afford it first, which is why I declined hearing the Air Force 2 in my system
btw, can you put the SCPS-1 on the Sparta and get similar increases in pwrformance?Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
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Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
The SCPS-1 is only use with Pro for now. I heard Louis is working on new PS for Sparta as well.
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May 13, 2016, 11:56 PM #58Senior Member
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
nah, just trade up Paul.................. you know you want to
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May 14, 2016, 12:49 AM #59Senior Member
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
TBH. I preferred the look of Sparta more than Pro
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
.... yeah right .......
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May 18, 2016, 07:28 PM #61Audioshark
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
"The Kronos turntable has been a phenomenal at the Munich High End 2016. Now, there is an option to upgrade the Pro turntable with a new power supply that can literally isolate it from the noisy main power grid. This PSU is not "battery operated"!
Result: 'expect the unexpected'
The noise floor went all the way down to basement, the stability is of new level and more was released from the cherished music played...sensational"
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Source or link, Mike? I don't know who Danon Han Kong is and I'm curious... Originally Posted by Mike
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May 18, 2016, 07:51 PM #63Audioshark
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/3068...5607808521465/ Originally Posted by madfloyd
Danon is the reviewer who did the shootout of Kronos vs AF1 using the same arm and same cart.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Did he own both Mike ?
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Yes Originally Posted by Paul
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Thanks, Mike.
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
Here's a little more Ian:
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2016/05...cumulator.htmlMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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Re: Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!
I think some corrections are necessary . Kronos pro was paired with Vertere reference & Triangle apollo with effectively higher gain on higher gain Vitus Masterpiece phono & AF1 with Acoustical syst Aquilar paired with lower gain Koetsu blue lace on a significantly lower gain FM223 .
On the hand , I have demoed Kronos Pro with black beauty paired with ZYX Universe II & with new psu . Sounded awesome . I owe AFO + Axiom + A90 . For the money , I would have buy Kronos pro + new psu . No brainier to buy the new psu if u own Kronos Pro
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