Kharma MSRP going up

**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 11:59 AM

Kharma MSRP going up 10-20% depending on model on Jan 1.

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**Calvin** · November 9, 2021, 12:49 PM

Ouch!

I’ll stick with Magicos.

**asindc** · November 9, 2021, 01:03 PM

20%? That’s disappointing. As I noted in my CAF recap, the Kharmas wowed me like very few box speakers have. I was thinking of taking my time to evaluate them, particularly in comparison to the Martin Logan Expression 13A.

**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

Ouch!

I’ll stick with Magicos.

You were smart and got in on the A3’s when they were $9995.

Magico has had a couple of price increases since.

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**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by asindc

20%? That’s disappointing. As I noted in my CAF recap, the Kharmas wowed me like very few box speakers have. I was thinking of taking my time to evaluate them, particularly in comparison to the Martin Logan Expression 13A.

Midi’s are going from $94k to $105k, so ~10% in that case. I updated my OP to 10-20 range.

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**asindc** · November 9, 2021, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Midi’s are going from $94k to $105k, so ~10% in that case. I updated my OP to 10-20 range.

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Ok, thanks. 10% would be significantly more palatable. Any idea when the official price list will be available?

**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by asindc

Ok, thanks. 10% would be significantly more palatable. Any idea when the official price list will be available?

Dealers have it now. Any particular model you are interested in?

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**MacFly** · November 9, 2021, 01:41 PM

Mike, what is the lead time to even get a Pair of Kharma's say DB7S or DB9S

**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by MacFly

Mike, what is the lead time to even get a Pair of Kharma's say DB7S or DB9S

2 months, but with todays news, I expect it to quickly get longer.

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**asindc** · November 9, 2021, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Dealers have it now. Any particular model you are interested in?

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dB7-S or S7-S.

**Calvin** · November 9, 2021, 02:13 PM

Actually, I paid more than that. It’s been a while, but I contacted you when the A3s were at their entry price, which is probably what you are remembering. But I didn’t purchase them for like 2-3 or so months later. So, I paid more…

No matter, all audio equipment goes up in price. But 20% is criminal IMO, esp. when I can get Magico A5s or S series for less and IMO have better sound than the dB9-S (and they are ported and thus won’t work in my room). I’ve only heard the 9s at a friend’s home and they sounded great, but not worth the app. $7,500 (20%) price increase IMO. But they are gorgeous speakers and sound amazing.

Originally Posted by Mike

You were smart and got in on the A3’s when they were $9995.

Magico has had a couple of price increases since.

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**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

Actually, I paid more than that. It’s been a while, but I contacted you when the A3s were at their entry price, which is probably what you are remembering. But I didn’t purchase them for like 2-3 or so months later. So, I paid more…

No matter, all audio equipment goes up in price. But 20% is criminal IMO, esp. when I can get Magico A5s or S series for less and IMO have better sound than the dB9-S (and they are ported and thus won’t work in my room). I’ve only heard the 9s at a friend’s home and they sounded great, but not worth the app. $7,500 (20%) price increase IMO. But they are gorgeous speakers and sound amazing.

Oh right. I remember now. I said 10-20% (corrected my post). DB9’s are going to $43,500 from $37,500. I have the DB9’s at home now and what an incredible speaker! Wow!

A5’s though at under $25k remain a smoking value. Just awesome.

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**nc42acc** · November 9, 2021, 08:33 PM

Unfortunately I think the Kharma ship has already sailed for me. Super wacky dealer north of me and Mike being 700 miles away just doesn’t seem feasible. I am going to need to settle and hope a used pair comes up.

**Mike** · November 9, 2021, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Unfortunately I think the Kharma ship has already sailed for me. Super wacky dealer north of me and Mike being 700 miles away just doesn’t seem feasible. I am going to need to settle and hope a used pair comes up.

You’ve already visited once. Just visit again before the end of the year to get the old pricing.

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**u-sound** · November 9, 2021, 08:46 PM

hurry up!

inflation is just starting to roll over the world.

**MDP** · November 10, 2021, 01:23 PM

I'm so glad I already have mine. DB9's = Heaven.

**nc42acc** · November 10, 2021, 02:27 PM

Tight knit industry, word travels fast. Hilarious. My posting is gonna get me in trouble.

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Unfortunately I think the Kharma ship has already sailed for me. Super wacky dealer north of me and Mike being 700 miles away just doesn’t seem feasible. I am going to need to settle and hope a used pair comes up.

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Tight knit industry, word travels fast. Hilarious. My posting is gonna get me in trouble.

North of you, whacky dealer? You’ll have to be more descriptive. There’s a lot north of you!

. Mostly about 4 states north of you.

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**jadedavid** · November 10, 2021, 07:53 PM

It seems like there is a competition between the Mfg's to see who can reach the "price out" point first for the majority of their customers.
Perhaps a unique marketing strategy.

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by jadedavid

It seems like there is a competition between the Mfg's to see who can reach the "price out" point first for the majority of their customers.
Perhaps a unique marketing strategy.

Their raw material costs, shipping, etc have gone through the roof.

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**Bart001** · November 10, 2021, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

Ouch!

I’ll stick with Magicos.

I have to imagine that Alon will raise prices at some point . . . or was there a recent increase? I've not been watching (as owner of $9800 A3's presently). Aluminum is up over 150% in 2021.

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bart001

I have to imagine that Alon will raise prices at some point . . . or was there a recent increase? I've not been watching (as owner of $9800 A3's presently). Aluminum is up over 150% in 2021.

The $9800 went to $12,300 and then to $13,800. Au prices have gone through the roof, plus shipping too!

The $9800 was a magic number. We saw all kinds of different customers. It was great. We saw the “I have Def Tech’s now and have only dreamed of owning a Magico.”

At $13,800, it’s still an incredible deal, but we see less of the folks dreaming of moving up and more of the “I have a room that’s 15 x 18….” Different customer. More of the person wanting the right speaker for the right room than the hard core audio guy who’s clawing and scraping to own a pair of Magico’s.

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**Bart001** · November 10, 2021, 08:23 PM

And maybe some customers that now they are into the brand are now more willing to move up the line?

I went through this with fine wristwatches. "Who'd pay $3,000 for a watch???" which went to "Let me try on that AP ROO it's under $30k!"

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bart001

And maybe some customers that now they are into the brand are now more willing to move up the line?

I went through this with fine wristwatches. "Who'd pay $3,000 for a watch???" which went to "Let me try on that AP ROO it's under $30k!"

That could be. It’s interesting to study how people buy. They buy as much with their eyes as they do with their ears. Everyone loves the look of the Kharma’s and Magico’s. The others are hit or miss. Had a guy today who was flipping over the sound of the little Vivid S12’s but he kept saying “I can’t look at them!” His friend kept saying “I love the look.” Go figure.

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**Bart001** · November 10, 2021, 08:33 PM

I showed my wife a pic of the Kaya 45's but she was a firm "no." She has great taste in decoration and design and we own a fair bit of mid-century furniture but those were an immediate no from her so I dropped the subject. (Yes she likes Magico, our As and the others.)

Luxury goods. It's an art and talent to sell them successfully. At least in part because the customers are . . . well . . . some are more challenging than others.

**nc42acc** · November 10, 2021, 08:41 PM

Saying the Vivid are a challenging sale is an understatement.

Originally Posted by Bart001

I showed my wife a pic of the Kaya 45's but she was a firm "no." She has great taste in decoration and design and we own a fair bit of mid-century furniture but those were an immediate no from her so I dropped the subject. (Yes she likes Magico, our As and the others.)

Luxury goods. It's an art and talent to sell them successfully. At least in part because the customers are . . . well . . . some are more challenging than others.

**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:10 PM

i ve found the vivid to be the ugliest speaker ever, called them fagotts etc.....until i saw them in reality.
depending on the finish, they look utterly cool. the dealer had a lot of models and one was a smaller giga in a special grey matt version. my number 1 of cool speaker by now.
the sound was very very very good. if they had a tiny bit more slam, they would be my nr1 sonicly too. heard with ch-precision and dartzeel, both made good sound.

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**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 09:12 PM

Back to Kharma.

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**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:15 PM

sorry

**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:16 PM

well, the increase is a shock!!

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by u-sound

well, the increase is a shock!!

I was shocked/glad it didn’t happen sooner!

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**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:19 PM

hope it doesnt happen again too often

**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:22 PM

btw whats your forecast...will most high end go up, was kharma just the beginning of the nightmare?

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by u-sound

btw whats your forecast...will most high end go up, was kharma just the beginning of the nightmare?

Not sure if you’ve been watching, but they’ve ALL gone up. All.

Even Pass which hasn’t had a price increase, has a big one coming.

Luxman just did too.

In 2021, they had them early, middle or late, but they all had price increases.

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**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 09:34 PM

wow, dont know what to say, makes the bad part of our hobby worse.

and i suspect you are sitting between the chairs as a dealer.

**Henry303** · November 10, 2021, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by u-sound

btw whats your forecast...will most high end go up, was kharma just the beginning of the nightmare?

Have you gone grocery shopping lately??

U.S. Inflation Hit 30-Year High in October as Consumer Prices Jump 6.2% - WSJ

**Mike** · November 10, 2021, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by u-sound

wow, dont know what to say, makes the bad part of our hobby worse.

and i suspect you are sitting between the chairs as a dealer.

I think it’s almost everything going up. Governments around the world printing money like drunken sailers just floods the market with cash. Demand goes up. Prices of everything goes up. Etc.

Just look at used car prices. Housing. Groceries. Gas. It’s global.

Countries around the world had large spending bills during Covid and now we have sooooo much cash in the economy driving up demand and prices.

I’m on the Corvette Z06 forum and people there are spending $50-100k over MSRP to just get on a list. A list for a Chevrolet, not some one off Rembrandt painting. A Chevy! Insane.

Glad I bought a bunch of Bitcoin a couple of years ago. Currencies are being devalued.

Add to this, the delays - months and months - to get any product, even dishwashers!

But we are way off topic. Back to Kharma.

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**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 10:30 PM

with an impressive 30 trillions debts you got to go straight on. dont change a thing

**a.wayne** · November 10, 2021, 10:54 PM

Thats World debt , Stop printing and the globe will collapse ...!!!!

**u-sound** · November 10, 2021, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Thats World debt

things have changed
World Debt Clocks

**nc42acc** · November 11, 2021, 07:02 AM

Will you accept my printed money for a pair of DB9s? My money should be more valuable since I do not drink and have never been a sailor. Deal?

Originally Posted by Mike

I think it’s almost everything going up. Governments around the world printing money like drunken sailers just floods the market with cash. Demand goes up. Prices of everything goes up. Etc.

Just look at used car prices. Housing. Groceries. Gas. It’s global.

Countries around the world had large spending bills during Covid and now we have sooooo much cash in the economy driving up demand and prices.

I’m on the Corvette Z06 forum and people there are spending $50-100k over MSRP to just get on a list. A list for a Chevrolet, not some one off Rembrandt painting. A Chevy! Insane.

Glad I bought a bunch of Bitcoin a couple of years ago. Currencies are being devalued.

Add to this, the delays - months and months - to get any product, even dishwashers!

But we are way off topic. Back to Kharma.

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**Calvin** · November 11, 2021, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Will you accept my printed money for a pair of DB9s? My money should be more valuable since I do not drink and have never been a sailor. Deal?

**Mike** · November 11, 2021, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Will you accept my printed money for a pair of DB9s? My money should be more valuable since I do not drink and have never been a sailor. Deal?

You must have a quality printer.

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**nc42acc** · November 11, 2021, 07:49 AM

Any orders placed prior to Jan 1 will be honored at current pricing?

**Mike** · November 11, 2021, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Any orders placed prior to Jan 1 will be honored at current pricing?

Yes.

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**MDP** · November 11, 2021, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Any orders placed prior to Jan 1 will be honored at current pricing?

Marty, you know what to do............

**nc42acc** · November 11, 2021, 09:25 AM

Mike knows what I am going to do too

Originally Posted by MDP

Marty, you know what to do............

**a.wayne** · November 11, 2021, 09:44 AM

Detective senses tingling ...!!!

**still-one** · November 11, 2021, 10:09 AM

I know there is a karma/Kharma joke built into this thread regarding Audiophiles next live(s).

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