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March 3, 2022, 10:20 AM #1Senior Member
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Double 11s
I don’t change gear that often having owned 5 pairs of main speakers over 50 years. When I decided to dip my toe back into the market after living with my Sonus Faber Stradivaris for almost 8 years, it was with a large helping of trepidation. Having a dealer like Mike with a large experience bank and a seemingly unending amount of patience helped move me forward. Two visits to his showroom allowing me to listen to what I wanted was the clincher. “Here is my iPad and the remote control, let me know if you need anything”
Two and a half months later and I am very happy. My new Kharma Elegance dB-11-1.1-S (official model #), are settling into my room.
My Strads are pissed and moved to the bar.
I will add more on my process and their sound after they have played consistently for 3 or 4 days.
Here are a few pictures of the delivery and install process. It took three of us and a PowerMate M1 stair climbing dolly almost 4 hours to get them upstairs and uncrated. We could not have done it without the stair climber. Each crate weighs 260lbs. I insisted on not removing the speakers downstairs and just carrying them.Main Equipment: Kharma Elegance dB11-S, JL Audio F113v2, Block Audio Line & Mono SE Amplification, Bricasti M21 DAC, Antipodes Kala K-50 Server, ClearAudio Performance SE, Satisfy Arm & Maestro Wood MM Cartridge
Power: 3 x 20 Amp Lines, Shunyata Everest 8000, Sigma XC v2, Shunyata Sigma v2 NR, Block Audio Power Cords, Defender, ADDPowr Wizard
Grounding: Shunyata Altaira CGS - Alpha CGS cables
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Other: PSI Audio AVAA C20, Isoacoustics GAIA I footers Kharmas, GIK/Vicoustics/Stillpoint Apertures, Stillpoint Ultra SS, Furutech GTX - Gold outlets, Adona Rack
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March 3, 2022, 11:15 AM #2Senior Member
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Re: Double 11s
Congratulations Craig! I know you're gonna love them.
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March 3, 2022, 11:53 AM #3Audioshark
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Congrats! Just gorgeous and perfect in your room. Such a beauty. Enjoy in good health my friend.
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March 3, 2022, 12:29 PM #4Super Moderator
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Congratulations on a great choice. Looking forward to updates.
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March 3, 2022, 02:31 PM #5Senior Member
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Fantastic setup Craig! Congratulations!
Very curious to know how the Kharmas pair with your Bricasti gear.
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March 3, 2022, 02:51 PM #6Senior Member
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Congratulations Craig!
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March 3, 2022, 04:42 PM #7Senior Member
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Looking great Craig ..... Enjoy!!
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March 3, 2022, 08:34 PM #8Senior Member
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Nice , love the color .....!!!!!
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March 3, 2022, 10:17 PM #9Senior Member
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Congrats Craig! Enjoy in good health; sorry those Strads were spoken for before we talked!
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March 4, 2022, 01:47 AM #10Senior Member
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They are real beauties. Congrats!
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March 4, 2022, 03:13 AM #11Senior Member
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Congratulations! They look good in your room (with matching wall paint too
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Given that the Stradivaris were regarded as one of the best SF speakers, the DB-11s must be something else.
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March 4, 2022, 06:32 PM #12Senior Member
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wow...the Karmas sounds so musical every time I heard them
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March 5, 2022, 09:59 AM #13Senior Member
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Congratulations Craig! They look great in your room. As we discussed over dinner, I’m sure the Bricasti amps are driving them nicely.
Enjoy the music!_______________
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March 5, 2022, 05:24 PM #14Senior Member
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Thanks Mike!
Originally Posted by Ritmo
Main Equipment: Kharma Elegance dB11-S, JL Audio F113v2, Block Audio Line & Mono SE Amplification, Bricasti M21 DAC, Antipodes Kala K-50 Server, ClearAudio Performance SE, Satisfy Arm & Maestro Wood MM Cartridge
Power: 3 x 20 Amp Lines, Shunyata Everest 8000, Sigma XC v2, Shunyata Sigma v2 NR, Block Audio Power Cords, Defender, ADDPowr Wizard
Grounding: Shunyata Altaira CGS - Alpha CGS cables
Network : Supra Cat 8+, Twin (Nenon Modified) Buffalo GS2016 Switches powered with Keces P3 LPSU,
Cables: Wireworld Platinum Starlight 8 USB, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 SCs, 1M & 6M Tubulus Concentus ICs,
Other: PSI Audio AVAA C20, Isoacoustics GAIA I footers Kharmas, GIK/Vicoustics/Stillpoint Apertures, Stillpoint Ultra SS, Furutech GTX - Gold outlets, Adona Rack
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March 5, 2022, 05:29 PM #15Senior Member
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Hey Nikhil, My Bricasti M28s are having no problem driving the dB-11s to any level within my comfort zone. Their neutral behavior provides a good balance to what seems like a general warmth and musical nature of the Kharmas. The low end is tight if a bit overblown right now waiting on final placement. Final placement has been delayed upon Mike’s suggestion to wait until after 200 hours. Originally Posted by Nikhil
Main Equipment: Kharma Elegance dB11-S, JL Audio F113v2, Block Audio Line & Mono SE Amplification, Bricasti M21 DAC, Antipodes Kala K-50 Server, ClearAudio Performance SE, Satisfy Arm & Maestro Wood MM Cartridge
Power: 3 x 20 Amp Lines, Shunyata Everest 8000, Sigma XC v2, Shunyata Sigma v2 NR, Block Audio Power Cords, Defender, ADDPowr Wizard
Grounding: Shunyata Altaira CGS - Alpha CGS cables
Network : Supra Cat 8+, Twin (Nenon Modified) Buffalo GS2016 Switches powered with Keces P3 LPSU,
Cables: Wireworld Platinum Starlight 8 USB, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 SCs, 1M & 6M Tubulus Concentus ICs,
Other: PSI Audio AVAA C20, Isoacoustics GAIA I footers Kharmas, GIK/Vicoustics/Stillpoint Apertures, Stillpoint Ultra SS, Furutech GTX - Gold outlets, Adona Rack
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March 5, 2022, 06:01 PM #16Senior Member
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Break in is real. As I was sitting here today, the tweeter arrived and they began opening up and disappearing. Crazy phenomenon.
Main Equipment: Kharma Elegance dB11-S, JL Audio F113v2, Block Audio Line & Mono SE Amplification, Bricasti M21 DAC, Antipodes Kala K-50 Server, ClearAudio Performance SE, Satisfy Arm & Maestro Wood MM Cartridge
Power: 3 x 20 Amp Lines, Shunyata Everest 8000, Sigma XC v2, Shunyata Sigma v2 NR, Block Audio Power Cords, Defender, ADDPowr Wizard
Grounding: Shunyata Altaira CGS - Alpha CGS cables
Network : Supra Cat 8+, Twin (Nenon Modified) Buffalo GS2016 Switches powered with Keces P3 LPSU,
Cables: Wireworld Platinum Starlight 8 USB, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 SCs, 1M & 6M Tubulus Concentus ICs,
Other: PSI Audio AVAA C20, Isoacoustics GAIA I footers Kharmas, GIK/Vicoustics/Stillpoint Apertures, Stillpoint Ultra SS, Furutech GTX - Gold outlets, Adona Rack
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March 5, 2022, 06:44 PM #17Senior Member
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Nice choice. Looking forward to your comments as they continue to break in.
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Looks good Craig, does that mean you won't be buying a new ZO6 ?
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Congratulations on a fantastic choice, they look great in your room.
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March 7, 2022, 01:26 AM #20Senior Member
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Congrats on your DB11S!!! They look gorgeous in that color. I’ve listened to these speakers and they are amongst the most natural sounding I’ve heard.
Enjoy,
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I can see the golf cart and clubs watching and wondering.... :-)
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April 3, 2022, 09:10 AM #22Senior Member
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The dB-11s are pretty well settled. I have been doing a lot of listening as I am demoing an Antipodes K-50. A win-win of a reason to spend time with the Kharmas.
Zero toe-in, they are 138” tweeter to tweeter and my ears are 156/7” away from the right and left tweeters. The slight difference is to adjust for the room and center the image. This ratio is slightly more than suggested but it’s the best I have found so far. The speakers are largely disappearing.
My focus now is moving to slowly treating the room.Main Equipment: Kharma Elegance dB11-S, JL Audio F113v2, Block Audio Line & Mono SE Amplification, Bricasti M21 DAC, Antipodes Kala K-50 Server, ClearAudio Performance SE, Satisfy Arm & Maestro Wood MM Cartridge
Power: 3 x 20 Amp Lines, Shunyata Everest 8000, Sigma XC v2, Shunyata Sigma v2 NR, Block Audio Power Cords, Defender, ADDPowr Wizard
Grounding: Shunyata Altaira CGS - Alpha CGS cables
Network : Supra Cat 8+, Twin (Nenon Modified) Buffalo GS2016 Switches powered with Keces P3 LPSU,
Cables: Wireworld Platinum Starlight 8 USB, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 SCs, 1M & 6M Tubulus Concentus ICs,
Other: PSI Audio AVAA C20, Isoacoustics GAIA I footers Kharmas, GIK/Vicoustics/Stillpoint Apertures, Stillpoint Ultra SS, Furutech GTX - Gold outlets, Adona Rack
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Craig - Thanks for the update. Glad you are happy and the system is coming together nicely.
Thx!_______________
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Absolutely beautiful speakers and room, congratulations Craig!!!
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April 4, 2022, 11:43 PM #25Senior Member
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Looking great, Craig!
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