F112 or F113 Pair

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I still have an opportunity to change my order and wonder if a pair of F113's are overkill. My mains are Wilson Sasha's driven by a boulder 1060. My room is 13'x18'. Think a pair of the F113's would sound THAT much better than the F112's in my space? The dealer didn't have the F112's to demo, but going the F112 route would save some $$ to spend on other goodies ;)

Bryan
 
Personally I don't believe you'd be able to tell the difference. I wish I had purchased F110's instead of the F113's.
 
Thanks. That's exactly what I was was thinking. The 10" subs I've heard in the past were always faster than 12's or larger. Unfortunately all he had was the F113's to demo. I'm really looking for a musical set of subs and am concerned that 13's will be too slow to keep up. Probably should change the order while I have the opportunity.
 
For two channel only, I chose the F112s. If you speak with the staff at JL Audio, that's what they recommend (and buy themselves) for dedicated music systems. Of course, home theater is a whole 'nother animal. AFAIK, the F110s are no longer available.
 
F110's are still available in black gloss. Black satin finish was discontinued.

Some misinformation was said to gin up sales ;)
 
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I don't know the answer to that but I believe the answer is no. If you are thinking F112's, that might be the way to go. My room is smaller than yours. The F112's go lower than the F110's and the F113's go even lower than the F112's.
 
radioactive said:
I still have an opportunity to change my order and wonder if a pair of F113's are overkill. My mains are Wilson Sasha's driven by a boulder 1060. My room is 13'x18'. Think a pair of the F113's would sound THAT much better than the F112's in my space? The dealer didn't have the F112's to demo, but going the F112 route would save some $$ to spend on other goodies ;)

Bryan
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Bryan - IMO - yes, overkill. Even two F112's is overkill. A pair of properly placed and configured F110's would be ideal IMO. Smaller footprint too. NOW, if these are going to be used in a Home Theater application, then two F112's are great for boom, boom, crash. But for music? Overkill. Get two F110's, a couple or little sub stands (Amazon.com: Auralex SubDude Subwoofer Isolation Riser; 15x15x3-inch SubDude in Charcoal, Single: Musical Instruments) and rock on. Then spend the difference on other goodies.

I have two F110's in a room much bigger than yours, and they are turned down very low and round out the bass perfectly. In my home theater room, I have four giant Seaton Submersives (two subs per box) and they rattle the entire room on a volume setting of "1".....but for music they would be impossible to integrate because they are too much at even "1" on the dial. It would require more equipment like a Velodyne SMS-1 or something to properly integrate those for music because they would overpower my 15 x 35 home theater room. For HT they are fine.

So if its for strictly music, get two F110's and spend the rest elsewhere. That's my two cents.

Mike
 
In a 13 x 18 room, the f110 would do as well as the f113, especially if you are talking about getting a pair.

Both will have the ability to overpower the room if set too loud and cause things to vibrate.
 
I guess it depends on what kind of music you listen to. The F112 specs are very close to the F113 on the low end. The F110 not quite as much. IMO, if you listen to any rock music, organ music, some orchestral music, and/or hip hop with relatively low bass the F112 is the best match. The F110 may get the job done but you'd have to push it whereas the F112 or F113 would be in their comfort zone. The F112 is even slightly better than the F110 at the high end of it's range - useful if you're integrating with speakers that aren't full range or when using a gradual slope at the crossover frequencies.

F113: 20 - 86 Hz (1.5dB)
F112: 21 - 119 Hz (1.5dB)
F110: 27 - 111 Hz (1.5dB)
 
Thanks everyone for your input/advice. I went with a pair of F110's. I've got a single Velodyne HGS-18 that can rattle serious walls if I need to -- I was looking for the most musical match for my Wilson Sasha's. Pretty sure this is it. I'll let everyone know how well it integrates in a couple of weeks.
 
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radioactive said:
Thanks everyone for your input/advice. I went with a pair of F110's. I've got a single Velodyne HGS-18 that can rattle serious walls if I need to -- I was looking for the most musical match for my Wilson Sasha's. Pretty sure this is it. I'll let everyone know how well it integrates in a couple of weeks.
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Smart move. They will be more than enough I'm sure. Congrats.
 
radioactive said:
I still have an opportunity to change my order and wonder if a pair of F113's are overkill. My mains are Wilson Sasha's driven by a boulder 1060. My room is 13'x18'. Think a pair of the F113's would sound THAT much better than the F112's in my space? The dealer didn't have the F112's to demo, but going the F112 route would save some $$ to spend on other goodies ;)

Bryan
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Hi Bryan, all i can say is that my friend Jocelyn as a pair of F-112s and IF he wishes they can saturate his 20x30x13 feet room no problem BUT to do this it as to be very very loud and at those volumes that's where i say NO subs for me thank you the bass measured in his room was 14hz.

PS: SAVE YOUR MONEY THE F-112s ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH.

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Just an update:

I got the F110 pair yesterday and listened last night and today. Glad I went with the 110's. They're super sweet sounding and blend just fine with my Sasha's. I'm considering getting the Bryston 10B-Sub. Anyone have any experience with it or recommend an active x-over? Not sure it will be much better, but I guess it's possible.
 
Hi Bryan,

I had the 10B-sub and while it did a great job, I felt it took away some of the sweetness of the music. It seemed a little more dry and sterile with the crossover in the chain. I preferred to run the speakers direct and use the subs from a separate preamp output and forgo the crossover. I have not tried a Marchand or Pass crossover. YMMV.
 
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I have a lightly used Bryston 10B Sub with RCA inputs/outputs if you're interested.
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Thanks Howard. Unfortunately my Boulder gear is all balanced (no RCA's at all). I'd like to stay balanced entirely. I'm also concerned about mucking with the signal to my Sasha's as they sound entirely sweet, but need just a little help in the low end. Don't get me wrong, they'll play low, but there's low and then there's the low that a quality set of subs can put out.

Lots to think about. I feel like I've opened Pandora's box. I can see how this is going to end -- I just get fed up and buy a set of Maxx3's.
 
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