Proven: CD’s sound the same as high-rez!

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<!-- #thumb --> <p><strong>*”</strong><span><em><strong>Incontrovertible double-blind listening tests prove that the original 16-bit/44.1-kHz CD standard yields exactly the same two-channel sound quality as the SACD and DVD-A technologies.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><em>In the September 2007 issue of the*Journal of the Audio Engineering Society*(Volume 55, Number 9), two veteran audio journalists who aren’t professional engineers, E. Brad Meyer and David R. Moran, present a breakthrough paper that contradicts all previous inputs by the engineering community. They prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, with literally hundreds of double-blind listening tests at matched levels, conducted over a period of more than a year, that the two-channel analog output of a high-end SACD/DVD-A player undergoes no audible change when passed through a 16-bit/44.1-kHz A/D/A processor. That means there’s no audible difference between the original CD standard (“Red Book”) and 24-bit/192-kHz PCM or 1-bit/2.8442-MHz DSD.</em>”</p>
<p>Now how’s that for a good morning wake up call? *The quote I just printed from <a href="http://theaudiocritic.com/plog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=4&blogId=1" target="_blank">The Audio Critic </a>(Peter Aczel) in a 2007 article. *One of our <a href="http://www.psaudio.com/forum/#/discussion/5774/proven-good-old-redbook-cd-sounds-the-same-as-the-hi-rez-formats" target="_blank">Community Forums</a> posters was kind enough to post this for us.</p>
<p>So to me this is a perfect case of the wrong conclusion to an interesting test. *A test we’ve been talking about for some time as of late. *If you’ll recall, I spoke about recording a vinyl LP onto digital and how that process captured and preserved all the vinyl qualities LP’s have to offer. *In fact, using a 96kHz/24 bit A/D/A (slightly higher than Redbook) one can go between the original analog phono output and the output of the A/D/A with little audible change. *You’ll also recall that the conclusion drawn from this was not that there’s no difference between vinyl and CD, but something altogether different. *A point completely missed by the two journalists that performed the test and the Audio Critic who reported it.</p>
<p>To conclude that redbook CD sounds the same as High-Rez formats because you’ve compared the analog output of a High-Rez player vs. a 44.1kHz/16 bit A/D/A output of the same is not only dumb, but it misses a marvelous chance to actually say something of value.</p>
<p>It’s a shame they spend an entire year proving something we could have told them in a phone conversation.</p>
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2007 is already six years ago! ...Back then most people were living in igloos and tepees. :D

Anyway, today my SACDs are mastered differently than my older CDs and sound much better. DSD is better than the old PCM codec. Even HDCD is better. And DVD-Audio stereo at 24/192 is definitely superior too.

Sooo, what was/were he/they eating or smoking or drinking or thinking back in 2007 whoever wrote that article?
...And/or whoever were blind-folded into such foolishness?

"Incontrovertibly"; what does it mean? ...Not open to question, indisputable evidence? ...Ya right.
 
2007 is already six years ago! ...Back then most people were living in igloos and tepees. :D

Anyway, today my SACDs are mastered differently than my older CDs and sound much better. DSD is better than the old PCM codec. Even HDCD is better. And DVD-Audio stereo at 24/192 is definitely superior too.

Sooo, what was/were he/they eating or smoking or drinking or thinking back in 2007 whoever wrote that article?
...And/or whoever were blind-folded into such foolishness?

"Incontrovertibly"; what does it mean? ...Not open to question, indisputable evidence? ...Ya right.

The whole argument is stupid in my opinion. People should be able to enjoy their music in any format they choose or like without judgement of what is better or worse. I happen to believe that Hi-Rez files sound worse than regular old CDs. (Yes, I have tried a few Hi-Rez files). To my ears CDs do sound a bit sterile most times, but can also sound great in certain aspects. Hi Rez files sound thin and over-sterile to my ears.
What's more is that the same argument in the article can be used to say that SACDs are out and not as good as DVD or HDCDs. It can be used to say that HDCDs are out (they never got a foothold really). What's worse is that the argument can be used to take the enjoyment of music away from many individuals by getting them to believe that they need to change music formats like they do socks just because some hipster types call anyone not listening to the latest format fools. The point is that you can stick 100 people in a room with each format on the same gear and everything and you will get 100 different opinions on what sounds better.
I'm a CD and vinyl guy for serious listening and in my mind and to my ears those are the best formats. That is my opinion, the next guy will say that SACD is the only format he likes. The next one will say that Hi-Rez downloads are the ones that sound best to him and on and on.
What I don't understand is why all the argument over what format is best and what happened to enjoying music?
 
Smear campaign.

Should have had two of the same disc players(SACD/CD capable), same album in each format, matched levels, and measurement data.
 
I think to be accurate, the researchers proved that CDs and high-rez downloads measure the same on the tests they conducted. Whether they sound the same is in the ear of the beholder.
 
I think to be accurate, the researchers proved that CDs and high-rez downloads measure the same on the tests they conducted. Whether they sound the same is in the ear of the beholder.

Bingo! You said it more succinctly than I because I had to get upset as I am so tired of articles from audio magazines and such that are designed to take the enjoyment of music away and get everyone worked up over stuff that is 100% subjective and doesn't matter relevant to the goal. I think articles such as this one are from individuals whom either hate music or have never heard music and seek to spoil it for everyone else.
 
Years ago I made a recording on a mid level reel to reel deck from FM tuner, Kenny Baker playing trumpet, the song Valerie. Best sounding trumpet I've ever heard, almost explosive. Years later I was pleased to see it available on cd. Sad to say it was truly lackluster, nothing like my recording. As for SACD I find it depends on the disc, not the technology. See You in 5.1 SACD by the Depeche Mode is soooo good.
 
Check out this video it's real interesting D/A and A/D | Digital Show and Tell (Monty Montgomery @ xiph.org) - YouTube
Being one that likes to have a fiscal disc in hand over a download I guess I won't be joining the Hi-Rez revolution anytime soon.

Years ago I made a recording on a mid level reel to reel deck from FM tuner, Kenny Baker playing trumpet, the song Valerie. Best sounding trumpet I've ever heard, almost explosive. Years later I was pleased to see it available on cd. Sad to say it was truly lackluster, nothing like my recording. As for SACD I find it depends on the disc, not the technology. See You in 5.1 SACD by the Depeche Mode is soooo good.

I see you both clearly. :cool:
 
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