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    Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19






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    With a big grain of salt. Global warming, more mosquitoes and the UN should do things.
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    It's an educational video.

    Le me guess: Not all minds agree, not all opinions are the same, the thread is different than what it used to be. Knowing is not wanting to know what's above the deepest secrets on the other side of black holes. To go there is to never return to this side of what is called " normal life" ... as we know it.

    I like that interview; he simply confirmed what the top scientists all said.
    There were some positive posts in this thread; they didn't have to go, in my sincere opinion.
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    High fidelity stereo sounds so much better in a Coronavirus-free environment ...
    It's like removing a dark black thick veil in front to breathe freely through the ears of an audiophile born under a full moon ... in an analog world ... from analog recorded tapes ... the originals ... unmanipulated, unexorcised. ... Like being almost there in time and space.
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    High fidelity stereo sounds so much better in a Coronavirus-free environment ...
    It's like removing a dark black thick veil in front to breathe freely through the ears of an audiophile born under a full moon ... in an analog world ... from analog recorded tapes ... the originals ... unmanipulated, unexorcised. ... Like being almost there in time and space.
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    With that voice I would wear a mask...make that two...one on top of another.
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    Dr. Kim estimates that the Covid 19 mortality rate is 2%. That's probably too high. There have been many studies that take asymptomatic cases into account and estimate that the actual mortality rate is probably between 0.1% to 0.5%. The results from Iceland show that 2% is too high. Iceland has tested more people per capita than any other country. They have confirmed 1802 cases and have had 10 deaths, indicating that the mortality rate is probably less than 0.55%. The mortality rate is probably lower than that, since they still only tested about 15% of the population and probably missed some (many?) asymptomatic cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infonut View Post
    The results from Iceland show that 2% is too high. Iceland has tested more people per capita than any other country. They have confirmed 1802 cases and have had 10 deaths, indicating that the mortality rate is probably less than 0.55%. The mortality rate is probably lower than that, since they still only tested about 15% of the population and probably missed some (many?) asymptomatic cases.

    Data from places like Iceland (population 364K) are very different in comparison to other places with higher population densities. New Zealand with similar land size is about 5 million. Both these countries are still very sparsely populated in comparison to similarly sized South Korea which has a population of about 50 million.


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    Data from places like Iceland (population 364K) are very different in comparison to other places with higher population densities. New Zealand with similar land size is about 5 million. Both these countries are still very sparsely populated in comparison to similarly sized South Korea which has a population of about 50 million.


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    Population density can affect the infection rate, but it should not affect the mortality rate (percent of people who die who have the virus).

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    Will have to take another look at the interview but there are two mortality rates - the Crude Mortality Rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) which is 3-4% and Infection Mortality Rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) which is lower.

    Here is data from New York as of May (and other places as you scroll below):
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    It is quite possible that the population density can effect the mortality rate. I have seen some talk that the amount of virus that one is exposed to matters. If the exposure is small, the body may be better able to fight off the infection. If one is exposed to a large amount of the virus it can more easily overwhelm the body’s defenses and lead to more deaths. I would argue that in the more densely populated areas, like NYC for example, one is more likely to come in contact with a larger amount of the virus then say, some small town, hence one would expect a higher rate of mortality. With my wife having been to Iceland and my having been to New Zealand, given the population densities in each place, it would make sense, given the thesis above, that the death rates would be lower there on a percentage basis. With this virus, I would be careful reading too much into some of the numbers, as their is a lot we need to learn about it.

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    well explained.
    i also think high percentage of active cases with high density population have theyr synergy.
    all the aerosols in a sky scratcher....

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    in spain every third infected woman was a nurse

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    It is quite possible that the population density can effect the mortality rate. I have seen some talk that the amount of virus that one is exposed to matters. If the exposure is small, the body may be better able to fight off the infection. If one is exposed to a large amount of the virus it can more easily overwhelm the body’s defenses and lead to more deaths. I would argue that in the more densely populated areas, like NYC for example, one is more likely to come in contact with a larger amount of the virus then say, some small town, hence one would expect a higher rate of mortality. With my wife having been to Iceland and my having been to New Zealand, given the population densities in each place, it would make sense, given the thesis above, that the death rates would be lower there on a percentage basis. With this virus, I would be careful reading too much into some of the numbers, as their is a lot we need to learn about it.

    NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...!

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    NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...!
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    NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...!
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    The only person who should have to answer for his incompetence, negligence and a million other things is Trump!

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...!

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    Here come the politics again
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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    People can’t seem to help themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil View Post
    Will have to take another look at the interview but there are two mortality rates - the Crude Mortality Rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) which is 3-4% and Infection Mortality Rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) which is lower.

    Here is data from New York as of May (and other places as you scroll below):
    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/




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    Thanks for the link. The analysis estimates an infection mortality rate of 1.4% for New York City, and seems reasonable, but it does raise some questions regarding what number should be used as the number of people that have died due to the virus. They used "the number of deaths above expected seasonal baseline levels, regardless of the reported cause of death" as the number of Covid-19 deaths rather than the number of deaths diagnosed as Covid-19 deaths. It appears that this may be a more accurate estimate of Covid-19 deaths, but it is an estimate, not an actual number of deaths due to Covid-19. Also, the number of "excess deaths" (as of May 2) for 2020 that I see on the CDC site today appears to be lower than the number used in the analysis.

    It will be interesting to see more data and see if the infection mortality rate is lower for lower population densities.

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    It will be interesting to see more data and see if the infection mortality rate is lower for lower population densities.
    It will be interesting to see Accurate Un-Biased data which I highly doubt will be available because too much manipulation has already gone into these numbers.
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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    Why does everything have to be a conspiracy?

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    Why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
    Not sure if you were talking to me or not, but when you have conflicting info from every direction you look, one or more of them is not telling the whole complete truth.
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    Really?! And what a.wayne said to start this ("NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...! ) was somehow not politics. Why is that when conservatives make a statement against liberal politicians it is not politics but when liberals do it, it is politics? You Trump lovers sure have a thin skin!
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    Really?! And what a.wayne said to start this ("NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...! ) was somehow not politics. Why is that when conservatives make a statement against liberal politicians it is not politics but when liberals do it, it is politics? You Trump lovers sure have a thin skin!
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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    You doubt the numbers and claim they are being manipulated. Sounds like conspiracy thinking to me. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdoc2004 View Post
    Really?! And what a.wayne said to start this ("NYC mortality rate is from applied negligence and incompetence, when the dust settles Cuomo will have to answer ...! &nbsp was somehow not politics. Why is that when conservatives make a statement against liberal politicians it is not politics but when liberals do it, it is politics? You Trump lovers sure have a thin skin!
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    Did you ever consider for a second that people may not be Trump Lovers, but more so corrupt Democrat Haters

    This thread was going just fine until someone had to blame things on Trump. Do you really thing Dimensia Joe would be saving your ass?

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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

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    You doubt the numbers and claim they are being manipulated. Sounds like conspiracy thinking to me. Sorry.
    Which numbers?

    The ones where they put Covid on Death Certs of people who did not die from Covid?

    The ones where they may have used faulty tests that gave either False Positives OR False Negatives?

    The Numbers CNN posts?

    The Death Scroll on the local News?

    The Numbers coming from the White House?

    The numbers from the WHO that can no longer ever be trusted?

    The numbers from China, Russia, and N. Korea which will never be the Truth?

    Which Numbers?
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    Not sure if you were talking to me or not, but when you have conflicting info from every direction you look, one or more of them is not telling the whole complete truth.
    Out of curiosity, what is the 'complete truth'?
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    Out of curiosity, what is the 'complete truth'?
    I don't think we will ever know for sure, do you?

    We will never get an accurate count of deaths that were solely from Covid
    We will never find out why the WHO let this get around the world before they spoke up

    Do I really need to type out another long list of Why?
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    Which numbers?

    The ones where they put Covid on Death Certs of people who did not die from Covid?

    The ones where they may have used faulty tests that gave either False Positives OR False Negatives?

    The Numbers CNN posts?

    The Death Scroll on the local News?

    The Numbers coming from the White House?

    The numbers from the WHO that can no longer ever be trusted?

    The numbers from China, Russia, and N. Korea which will never be the Truth?

    Which Numbers?
    Brian, thanks for proving my point. All conspiracy talking points. I really see no point wasting my time here with this kind of thinking. Btw, it frankly says a lot about you when you resort to name calling.

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    Brian, thanks for proving my point. All conspiracy talking points. I really see no point wasting my time here with this kind of thinking. Btw, it frankly says a lot about you when you resort to name calling.
    No, they are all the different numbers I see every day which do not all add up the same. How do you label that Conspiracy "Talking" points? And if you consider the label I put on your Party as Name Calling, sorry you see it that way.
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    I have logged back on just to point out that I was referring to your Joe Biden comment. The fact that you are so tribal and can’t seem to understand that is too bad. I am done with AS. Life is really too short to deal with this type of nonsense on an audio site.

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    I have logged back on just to point out that I was referring to your Joe Biden comment. The fact that you are so tribal and can’t seem to understand that is too bad. I am done with AS. Life is really too short to deal with this type of nonsense on an audio site.
    I think I have been the only person to state numerous times that threads like these don’t belong on an audio forum. These threads may start off with the assumption that people won’t interject politics into them, but they always do.
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    I think I have been the only person to state numerous times that threads like these don’t belong on an audio forum. These threads may start off with the assumption that people won’t interject politics into them, but they always do.
    I agree with you on this MEP, I ducked out of the last one but not this time around once it turned to Politics as usual. Sorry to the OP who I know was just trying to get his videos out there. If this were "just' a Pandemic and not in the middle of an Election year behind a 3.5 year wast of my tax dollars in witch hunts, the threads may have been able to stay on track.

    Mike should Shut this one down and we should all just agree to leave Politics off of this great Audio Forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post

    We will never get an accurate count of deaths that were solely from Covid
    We will never find out why the WHO let this get around the world before they spoke up
    sir, by nature it is very difficult to count. there is no dark power behind the story.
    you do overrate the role and function of the WHO. apart from that the danger of this virus was no secret.
    when a certain amount of countrys and conbtinents have proven cases of infection, then the WHO will announce the pandemic.
    in case of covid that happend on march 11th. the point is, there was no proven pandemic before.

    my why why why for the usa would be why the lockdown was unsucsessful

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    I agree with you on this MEP, I ducked out of the last one but not this time around once it turned to Politics as usual. Sorry to the OP who I know was just trying to get his videos out there. If this were "just' a Pandemic and not in the middle of an Election year behind a 3.5 year wast of my tax dollars in witch hunts, the threads may have been able to stay on track.

    Mike should Shut this one down and we should all just agree to leave Politics off of this great Audio Forum.
    Better just shutting you out.
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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Better just shutting you out.
    Classic! Can I nominate this as post of the year?

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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    I used to like people here on AS. Not so much anymore.

    I realize there are differences in politics that will always remain in society, but the disparity (here and in real life) is just too great and has turned into a complete shit show of not understanding the other side of things. There is no middle anymore/anywhere and is enough work to deal with in real life (constant shit show anymore) and here in make believe audio-land (constant shit show anymore too). Since I can't get away from the real life side shit show, having a double dose in audio-land where I used to come to relax, learn and engage is just too much work.

    If I thought my audio time at home was lonely before, it will be more so without the added discussion I've experienced here. I do appreciate the conversations we've had.

    Good luck to all and thank you Mike and Joe for keeping the keel in the water.

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    Re: Interview with Leading Coronavirus Expert To Confirm The Origin Of COVID-19

    I haven’t been paying much attention to this thread. Looks like I need to shut it down. Sad that we can’t keep it civil and learn from new studies and the scientific data.

    Oh well...back to our regular scheduled programming (music).


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