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    Sylvia Browne predicted this pandemic in 2008.
    A psychic?! I thought you were a scientist! Coronavirus Live Updates

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    Although most of what I have seen and read that way has been as hard to interpret (in terms of personal and real-world applicability) as a lot of what is posted here, and unfortunately there is quite a bit of "fake news" (to be fair, not always intentional, just accidental) even from otherwise respected news outlets. The difficulty for most readers and viewers is having an adequate knowledge and experience base to separate the wheat from the chaff. Even the CDC's credibility is questionable as the website continued to insist (even through 3/16) that transmission from people with minimal or no symptoms was not important.

    Unfortunately, the only realistic advice for most people right now is to do what you are told (often in the form of mandatory government commands). The amount of non-critical, "independent thinking" opinions posted on this and other audiophile (and general interest) websites is astonishing and scary. If you don't have the appropriate knowledge base, experience and access to data to broadcast a worthwhile opinion, you should make that clear.

    In retrospect (and it shouldn't be surprising) the data coming from China on this virus and the associated outbreak in China was woefully incomplete, leaving the rest of the world uninformed and unprepared. And like it or not, that was deliberate and political.

    The CDC is one of the most credible websites but the information they are obtaining about the virus is evolving and changes sometimes daily. People need to realise that what we know about the virus is not exactly set in stone.
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    Tough life...to be in quarantine ...
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    This is our leader (Canada), not bad @ all Justin ...
    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...one-day-so-far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnutt View Post
    The CDC is one of the most credible websites but the information they are obtaining about the virus is evolving and changes sometimes daily. People need to realise that what we know about the virus is not exactly set in stone.
    Unfortunately true. Also unfortunately for the CDC's credibility is that credible (i.e., somewhat evidence-based) information contradicting that opinion about asymptomatic spread had been available for several days before they retracted it. Also disturbing is that many CDC researchers have claimed to be under a virtual "gag order" from administration about discussing any findings that contradict the official "party line".

    There is still so much we don't know about this whole situation, both the medicine and the politics, and that uncertainty and unknowing is leading to socioeconomic turmoil, which further interferes with the practical aspects of fighting this illness.
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    Lockdown Mania


    The list of countries in lockdown is quickly expanding with the United Kingdom and New Zealand joining 15 other countries in the last 24 hours. (1)


    What lockdown means varies by country and sometimes by region within a specific country. During my recent 50 day lockdown in China only one person once every two days could leave home to obtain essential supplies. All shops other than supermarkets and pharmacies where closed. Other than essential services all workplaces / offices were closed as were all restaurants, bars, cinemas, parks, tourist attractions and schools. Significant travel restrictions were in place. Testing was everywhere.



    Locked up at home with your family is certainly an acid test of bonds. The image from Little House on the Prairie of Ma, Pa, and the girls, safe in a frontier cabin, with only the wolves to fear – is shall we say – stress tested. Home schooling kids is taxing. Furthermore, be warned. There is also abundant opportunity for your significant other to point out an imbalance in domestic labor.


    The objective of lockdowns is to severely limit the scale of physical and social interaction, and thus slow the spread of the coronavirus so that the growth in cases does not overwhelm national health services and lead to mass deaths. But the effectiveness of a lockdown depends on the speed at which it is implemented and compliance of those captured by it.


    Listen to Dr. Michael J Ryan, Executive Director, WHO Health Emergencies Programme outline in a little over 1 minute lessons he’s learned in how to respond to a pandemic. (2)





    There’s Hope


    In a world that’s desperately lacking good news, here’s some.


    According to official statistics, China has temporarily at least controlled the coronavirus spread. Over the last five days, health authorities have reported only one new locally transmitted case of Covid-19 – a patient in Guangdong province infected by someone travelling from abroad. In Wuhan, the center of the outbreak and the country’s worst-hit area, officials on Monday reported a fifth day without new cases. WHO claims that “Wuhan provides hope for the rest of the world that even the most severe situation can be turned around.”(3)


    A combination of quarantines, aggressive testing, social distancing, isolation of infected patients and hygiene measures are believed to have contributed to the result. Of course, the wolves are still outside the cabin. Lockdowns et. al. are not a cure.


    The coming months will also show with the easing of restrictions within China whether the situation reverses. But at least there’s hope and a potential model to help individuals stay healthy, to break the chain of transmission - giving more vulnerable populations a fighting chance of surviving this pandemic.




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    (2) Sky News “Saturday March 14 2020 WHO: How to respond to a pandemic” https://youtu.be/e-XPL91r0uk
    (3) https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/gov...t-of-world-who
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    It sure would be nice if the media could give people some hope in place of constant panic.

    Watch the scroll at the bottom of your news. They list each state, cases and deaths. BUT they NEVER note the recovered and non symptom cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Unfortunately true. Also unfortunately for the CDC's credibility is that credible (i.e., somewhat evidence-based) information contradicting that opinion about asymptomatic spread had been available for several days before they retracted it. Also disturbing is that many CDC researchers have claimed to be under a virtual "gag order" from administration about discussing any findings that contradict the official "party line".

    There is still so much we don't know about this whole situation, both the medicine and the politics, and that uncertainty and unknowing is leading to socioeconomic turmoil, which further interferes with the practical aspects of fighting this illness.
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    Lockdown Mania


    The list of countries in lockdown is quickly expanding with the United Kingdom and New Zealand joining 15 other countries in the last 24 hours. (1)


    What lockdown means varies by country. During my recent 50 day lockdown in China only one person once every two days could leave home to obtain essential supplies. All shops other than supermarkets and pharmacies where closed. Other than essential services all workplaces / offices were closed as were all restaurants, bars, cinemas, parks, tourist attractions and schools. Significant travel restrictions were in place. Testing was everywhere.



    Locked up at home with your family is certainly an acid test of bonds. The image from Little House on the Prairie of Ma, Pa, and the girls, safe in a frontier cabin, with only the wolves to fear – is shall we say – stress tested. Home schooling kids is taxing. Furthermore, be warned. There is also abundant opportunity for your significant other to point out an imbalance in domestic labor.


    The objective of lockdowns is to severely limit the scale of physical and social interaction, and thus slow the spread of the coronavirus so that the growth in cases does not overwhelm national health services and lead to mass deaths. But the effectiveness of a lockdown depends on the speed at which it is implemented and compliance of those captured by it.


    Listen to Dr. Michael J Ryan, Executive Director, WHO Health Emergencies Programme outline in a little over 1 minute lessons he’s learned in how to respond to a pandemic. (2)





    There’s Hope


    In a world that’s desperately lacking good news, here’s some.


    According to official statistics, China has temporarily at least controlled the coronavirus spread. Over the last five days, health authorities have reported only one new locally transmitted case of Covid-19 – a patient in Guangdong province infected by someone travelling from abroad. In Wuhan, the center of the outbreak and the country’s worst-hit area, officials on Monday reported a fifth day without new cases. WHO claims that “Wuhan provides hope for the rest of the world that even the most severe situation can be turned around.”(3)


    A combination of quarantines, aggressive testing, social distancing, isolation of infected patients and hygiene measures are believed to have contributed to the result. Of course, the wolves are still outside the cabin. Lockdowns et. al. are not a cure.


    The coming months will also show with the easing of restrictions within China whether the situation reverses. But at least there’s hope and a potential model to help individuals stay healthy, to break the chain of transmission - giving more vulnerable populations a fighting chance of surviving this pandemic.




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    (1) https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/112336...n-spain-italy/
    (2) Sky News “Saturday March 14 2020 WHO: How to respond to a pandemic” https://youtu.be/e-XPL91r0uk
    (3) https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/gov...t-of-world-who
    There is a slight difference between the response in Wuhan and the one in the US. In the latter people are asked to stay home, some states have after days and weeks issued corresponding orders. Testing is still very limited, health experts (CDC, doctors) estimate the number of the unregistered cases in the US is a multiple of the official figure. As the WHO guy says, speed and decisive action would be key.

    In Wuhan authorities stopped all public transportation, closed everything except supermarkets, and welded people’s doors shut to keep them in. Only one person was let out once a week or then the authorities delivered the food.

    Most of Europe is now shut down, in Germany it is forbidden to congregate outside in groups larger than two. Using public children’s playgrounds is forbidden by law. Violations of the congregation order will be fined with €200,-, if you let people in your restaurant the fine is even €4.000,-.

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    Here is a Ted Talk by a fellow named Larry Brilliant who is an expert on the subject of fighting pandemics.
    His advice for combating a pandemic is “early detection, early response.”
    From Mr. Brilliant’s experience as explained in the video, given the reduced numbers of tests in the USA, we should have a lot more folks carrying the virus than we know.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/larry_bril...stop_pandemics

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    Bill Gates today:

    "The U.S. is past this opportunity to control (COVID-19) without shutdown," Gates said during a TED Connects program broadcast online. "We did not act fast enough to have an ability to avoid the shutdown."

    "It's very tough to say to people, 'Hey keep going to restaurants, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner, we want you to keep spending because there's some politician that thinks GDP growth is what counts,'" Gates said. "It's hard to tell people during an epidemic … that they should go about things knowing their activity is spreading this disease."

    Tough position we are in.

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    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/bill-ga...utdowns-closed

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    Dr. Boris Lushniak, former U.S. Deputy Surgeon General, and current Dean of Maryland School of Public Health: the current outbreak numbers in the US probably represent the actual status maybe 10-15 days ago. But he also said, 80% of the cases show mild symptoms or no symptoms at all.

    Further, an interesting epidemology study from Oxford University in the UK, arguing the spread has already happened in the country, and herd immunity in humans is building. According to the article they start testing now, trying to find support for the findings. If correct, quarantine measures could be reduced earlier than previously thought.

    https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-...f-41bea055720b


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    Part of a every other day update email from my company just to show that there is a massive effort underway to find vaccines and medications that may help with this current situation. For the last 15 years, I have been conflicted to work within the Big Pharma Industry, but at this moment, I could not be prouder and happy to have the job I have right now.


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    We couldn’t be prouder of the work that Parexel is doing as an organization in support of the current pandemic. Parexel is contributing actively to the vaccine development efforts for COVID-19 while continuing to develop a broad range of therapies with the potential to change and save patient lives. Our efforts extend beyond our own organization to include collaboration on a harmonized risk-based monitoring approach aligned with regulatory agencies as part of the broader industry response being led through the Association of Clinical Research Organizations (ACRO).
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    I did some back of the envelope calculations, based on epidemiological data from Iceland, which has tested a larger proportion of its population that any other country in the world by far. From that analysis, my hypothesis is that we have 6 to 7X as many people infected in the USA than is currently being reported, which at this moment, just ticked over 60,000. So, if we have the same proportion of cases that Iceland has per capita (and its a reasonable assumption to assume we do), we have presently anywhere from 350,000 to 480,000 individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the USA.

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    I did some back of the envelope calculations, based on epidemiological data from Iceland, which has tested a larger proportion of its population that any other country in the world by far. From that analysis, my hypothesis is that we have 6 to 7X as many people infected in the USA than is currently being reported, which at this moment, just ticked over 60,000. So, if we have the same proportion of cases that Iceland has per capita (and its a reasonable assumption to assume we do), we have presently anywhere from 350,000 to 480,000 individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the USA.
    And anywhere between 349,000 and 478,000 that have recovered or had no symptoms. Lets start focusing on the good as opposed to the constant doom and gloom the media is feeding us.

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    Close to 800 000 people die due to suicide every year, which is one person every 40 seconds. Where is the outrage and panic?


    Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.

    Heart Disease in the United States
    About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease costs the United States about $219 billion each year from 2014 to 2015. - Where is the outrage and panic?

    In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides. The rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day.

    Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000. - Why are we not shutting down the world over this?

    Think about it, are we going a bit overboard here? In reality, as said before, we are all going to get this and move on before vaccines are ready. They will be good for your grand children at best. I agree people need to be clean and smart, but I don't think we should be shutting down the whole world economy over this if we are not going to do the same for all the items I just listed. And, now that it was done, expect a market crash every time something new comes down the pike that is not nearly as deadly as the items listed above. Each issue caused more deaths per year than this Virus will cause and nobody seems outraged or panicked....maybe because the media did not tell you to panic?

    We are going to have more Suicides and murders out of an economy shutdown than the Virus also as desperate people become more desperate.
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    And anywhere between 349,000 and 478,000 that have recovered or had no symptoms. Lets start focusing on the good as opposed to the constant doom and gloom the media is feeding us.

    From WHO
    Close to 800 000 people die due to suicide every year, which is one person every 40 seconds. Where is the outrage and panic?


    Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.

    Heart Disease in the United States
    About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease costs the United States about $219 billion each year from 2014 to 2015. - Where is the outrage and panic?

    In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides. The rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day.

    Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000. - Why are we not shutting down the world over this?

    Think about it, are we going a bit overboard here? In reality, as said before, we are all going to get this and move on before vaccines are ready. They will be good for your grand children at best. I agree people need to be clean and smart, but I don't think we should be shutting down the whole world economy over this if we are not going to do the same for all the items I just listed. And, now that it was done, expect a market crash every time something new comes down the pike that is not nearly as deadly as the items listed above. Each issue caused more deaths per year than this Virus will cause and nobody seems outraged or panicked....maybe because the media did not tell you to panic?

    We are going to have more Suicides and murders out of an economy shutdown than the Virus also as desperate people become more desperate.
    This has been my consideration. In our mobile, gregarious, society, its well nigh impossible to stop these viruses, which is why we have not stopped society, every year, for flu season. The loss of productivity for this work stoppage period, will be a huge hit. Much larger damage that this virus.

    People do seem to be reacting individually to the virus though. Obviously the folk with unhealthy issues are at great risk. However, some of the deaths have been to healthy people too.

    I use the "risks of driving your car on the freeway" all the time when discussing risk/benefits with people. No one thinks twice about getting in a car, and driving fast on the freeway, surrounded by other maniacs out for a ride. Start a new, well tolerated medicine..., now let me check with Google first.
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    Good thing none of the posters here can actually affect our country's actions in response to this situation
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    Today’s issue of USA Today has another (after CNN’s) Q & A with Dr. Frieden. IMHO, everyone here should read it and take note of the unknowns as well as the recommendations based on what we do know.
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    Response to CV is not over board. Hospitals are now considering a universal DNA despite family or patient wishes due to lack of protective gear, beds and ventilators. Anyone paying attention to facts knows CV is no comparison to Flu.

    No one knows when car accidents, suicides would happen or of course they would try to prevent them. Brian you sound like a Trump parrot so you know why gun violence is not prevented.

    We know what actions can be done to slow the spread of CV, it is stupid not to do it and I don't have the words to describe those who would encourage otherwise or not care what happens to others. Maybe some of you should read the accounts of those who have suffers with CV and watched their loved ones die. If a family member is in ICU they have to die alone due to the prevention rules. It sickens me to see CV trivialized.
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    https://youtu.be/WGZXwZli2hI

    It really is not another flu. You can’t put a value on human life. Yes, even if it’s 80+ years old. Imagine for a sec someone is telling you (not him, not her, not them, just you) that you should die for the sake of economy.

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    I wasn't trivializing CV, I was putting it into perspective with other things that we all SHOULD be panicked and outraged about and that should cause the same worldly concerns.

    It's not just CV patients alone in the hospitals, it is anyone going in. My brother has to have a kidney removed right away, next Friday is his day, and he will be alone too.

    I am also following the protocols and staying home and inside but for a walk each day, alone or with my wife. I am working from home also.

    Here is an interesting article about the possible origin of the outbreak. Highly believable.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/do...more_headlines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I wasn't trivializing CV, I was putting it into perspective with other things that we all SHOULD be panicked and outraged about and that should cause the same worldly concerns.

    It's not just CV patients alone in the hospitals, it is anyone going in. My brother has to have a kidney removed right away, next Friday is his day, and he will be alone too.

    I am also following the protocols and staying home and inside but for a walk each day, alone or with my wife. I am working from home also.

    Here is an interesting article about the possible origin of the outbreak. Highly believable.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/do...more_headlines
    Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic. In fact, I just read a couple of days ago that in the past two years, a US group of epidemiologist based in China was cut by 2/3. This group's task was precisely to work on epidemics/pandemics.

    The "highly believable" post that you referred to is an Op-Ed from a vocal anti-China guy published in the NY Post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic. In fact, I just read a couple of days ago that in the past two years, a US group of epidemiologist based in China was cut by 2/3. This group's task was precisely to work on epidemics/pandemics.

    The "highly believable" post that you referred to is an Op-Ed from a vocal anti-China guy published in the NY Post...
    Is it even possible to really be prepared for this or any other pandemic/disaster?
    Just heard on the radio this morning from a Michigan State Doctor that for Michigan alone to have enough mask, gowns etc supplies in storage for
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    More of bogus/false comparisons -- here is an excerpt from a New York Times article published today. This is data based upon scientific modeling -- not some crazy crank's opinion!

    "One gauge of a virus is how contagious it is. The flu has an infectiousness measure (or R0) of only about 1.5, meaning that each sick person infects on average 1.5 others. In contrast, Covid-19 without social distancing appears to have an R0 of perhaps 2.5.
    A second gauge of a virus is how often infected people must be hospitalized. With the seasonal flu that’s roughly 1 percent; with the coronavirus, estimates range from 5 percent to 20 percent.
    A higher R0 and higher hospitalization rate conspire to wreak havoc. A single person with the flu can result in the infections of 386 other people over two months, and a handful would be hospitalized. But in that same period one Covid-19 patient could lead to the infections of 99,000 people, of whom nearly 20,000 might need to be hospitalized."

    If this does not drive home the point about how dangerous this virus is and give you sleepless nights, I don't know what will!
    Now tell me how does the risk of getting the flu, driving a car and experiencing a bad side effect of a medication compare to this??


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    This has been my consideration. In our mobile, gregarious, society, its well nigh impossible to stop these viruses, which is why we have not stopped society, every year, for flu season. The loss of productivity for this work stoppage period, will be a huge hit. Much larger damage that this virus.

    People do seem to be reacting individually to the virus though. Obviously the folk with unhealthy issues are at great risk. However, some of the deaths have been to healthy people too.

    I use the "risks of driving your car on the freeway" all the time when discussing risk/benefits with people. No one thinks twice about getting in a car, and driving fast on the freeway, surrounded by other maniacs out for a ride. Start a new, well tolerated medicine..., now let me check with Google first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But one thing that we should be outraged at is the fact that despite years of warnings by experts, our country was not prepared to fight a pandemic.
    What Country was really ready?
    What Business had a backlog of cash to hold them for 6 months or a year out of business?
    How many people are independently wealthy and didn't just lose 1/3 or more of their retirement money?

    We are barely prepared to fight fires let alone a Pandemic. We would have to stop sending all the aid money from taxpayers to other countries in order to be able to afford to be prepared.
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    Very true and well said. I try not to insert my personal politics in any audio related thread but it makes my blood boil when I see the suspected Trump acolytes push their disastrous thinking/agenda, which has no basis in facts or science (both of which are alien commodities to them). If they are so gung-ho about their ability to tackle this virus, maybe they should volunteer to help out a few days at their local ER without adequate personal protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    Response to CV is not over board. Hospitals are now considering a universal DNA despite family or patient wishes due to lack of protective gear, beds and ventilators. Anyone paying attention to facts knows CV is no comparison to Flu.

    No one knows when car accidents, suicides would happen or of course they would try to prevent them. Brian you sound like a Trump parrot so you know why gun violence is not prevented.

    We know what actions can be done to slow the spread of CV, it is stupid not to do it and I don't have the words to describe those who would encourage otherwise or not care what happens to others. Maybe some of you should read the accounts of those who have suffers with CV and watched their loved ones die. If a family member is in ICU they have to die alone due to the prevention rules. It sickens me to see CV trivialized.

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    I think that Brian's link to the Marketwatch article above has a very reasonable basis. I'll explain why but before let me just level set my background about what I will post below. I retired only two years ago, but I spent my career working in Biotech as a professional molecular biologist with a background in Microbiology and Molecular Genetics, developing molecular diagnostics and molecular genetics tests. I'm also one of the inventors of PCR, which is the basic technology that underpins all current COVID-19 diagnostic testing.

    I'm reading some interesting papers I've found on Net...

    One of them, entitled, "SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronavirus pose threat for human emergence" has some disturbing content. The reference for this publication is: Nat. Med. 2015 December; 21(12): 1508–1513.

    This is as group of scientists working at Univ. of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. UNC Chapel Hill is a known and documented site for bioweapons research.

    The abstract of the paper begins...

    "In this study, we examine the disease potential for SARS-like CoVs currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations."

    This is where it starts to get strange:

    "Utilizing the SARS-CoV infectious clone, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

    Now...here's where it gets scary:

    "The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild type backbone can efficiently utilize multiple ACE2 receptor orthologs, replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells, and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV."

    So, gang...here's what I find alarming...these guys purposely engineered this virus.

    The original SARS-like Coronavirus that can only infect bats cannot infect humans because a protein domain on the viral spike protein cannot bind to the ACE receptor on human airway epithelial cells.

    Well...these guys at UNC Chapel Hill engineered one with a Coronavirus spike protein that CAN bind to human airway epithelial cells.

    Now here's the kicker:

    "Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from CoVs utilizing the novel spike protein."

    In other words, our previous SARS based therapies based on monoclonal antibodies and vaccines developed for original SARS coronavirus failed to protect this new, genetically-engineered, I might add, coronavirus from using the "novel" spike protein. In other words, what we developed as therapies for SARS..don't work.

    If that doesn't sound like bioweapons development, I don't know what does..

    Now...for the kicker of all kickers: One of the scientists on this publication, a certain Zhengli Shi, woh was working as a post-doc at UNC Chapel Hill. Guess where he actually works? At the "Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China

    The laboratory that the Marketwatch article references above is the SAME laboratory that Zhengli Shi works at.

    Think about that...😱

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    Some more information about the scientific paper above:

    Well, here is another piece of information that adds to my concerns about the origin of this virus; this is section of the paper referenced above:

    "These studies were initiated prior to the U.S. Government Deliberative Process Research Funding Pause on Selected Gain of Function Research Involving Influenza, MERS, and SARS Viruses."

    What does Gain of Function Research on Influenza, MERS and SARS Viruses mean? It means making these virues more contagious, more pathogenic with a higher lethality index.

    This is code for Bioweapons engineering, gang. Just as "Enhanced Interrogation" is code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Now...for the kicker of all kickers: One of the scientists on this publication, a certain Zhengli Shi, woh was working as a post-doc at UNC Chapel Hill. Guess where he actually works? At the "Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China

    The laboratory that the Marketwatch article references above is the SAME laboratory that Zhengli Shi works at.

    Think about that...
    the NY times reported this back in January:

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    On a financial note, when would be a good time to withdrawal most of ones savings from the bank (e.g. put under the mattress"), totally serious.

    If the economic stress eventually takes a toll on banks and they decide to halt/suspend certain transactions, well you get the picture
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    Is it even possible to really be prepared for this or any other pandemic/disaster?
    Just heard on the radio this morning from a Michigan State Doctor that for Michigan alone to have enough mask, gowns etc supplies in storage for
    times like this it would require a warehouse the size of Grand Rapids. (Pop approx 200K)
    Of course it is. You start by developing a plan in advance. The USA has been rehearsing for wars (including nuclear) for decades. They call them military exercises or war games.

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    I put my 401k in a stable plan some time ago. Yesterday, I put a chunk back into my preferred market stock. Everyone has to figure the future out based on their gut IMO.
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    So, this is what it's like if you want some cookies from Costco today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    So, this is what it's like if you want some cookies from Costco today.
    WTF, unreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    I put my 401k in a stable plan some time ago. Yesterday, I put a chunk back into my preferred market stock. Everyone has to figure the future out based on their gut IMO.
    Not touching my 401, but just talking liquid, cash. Hard to say at this point how the heck this will turn out, but man the thought of "that" scenario - that's all she wrote and would be utter chaos. I honestly don't want to think of that scenario playing out. But.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swisstrips View Post
    Not touching my 401, but just talking liquid, cash. Hard to say at this point how the heck this will turn out, but man the thought of "that" scenario - that's all she wrote and would be utter chaos. I honestly don't want to think of that scenario playing out. But.....
    I'm no expert on finances to say the least. But, I don't see a need of hording cash. Banks are insured by the government. I'm more interested in where I am after this mess passes. We will get through this. And the old saying of buy low and sell high still applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    So, this is what it's like if you want some cookies from Costco today.

    I hope you were smart and walked away. You can buy cookies in many places without waiting in line.

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    I actually bought more than just cookies of course. And it reaches a point where your committed to the goal. I don’t think I’ll need to take part in the senior early morning cart race event again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Of course it is. You start by developing a plan in advance. The USA has been rehearsing for wars (including nuclear) for decades. They call them military exercises or war games.
    Of course you're right. I'm old enough to remember the nuclear drills in school where we would hide under our desk.
    Ahh the good old days.
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    US now the epicenter of the pandemic with most cases, incl. China. This is particularly remarkable, as testing has been rather sketchy. The real numbers are likely to be significantly higher.

    Easter Sunday church unlikely, according to Bill Gates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Some more information about the scientific paper above:

    Well, here is another piece of information that adds to my concerns about the origin of this virus; this is section of the paper referenced above:

    "These studies were initiated prior to the U.S. Government Deliberative Process Research Funding Pause on Selected Gain of Function Research Involving Influenza, MERS, and SARS Viruses."

    What does Gain of Function Research on Influenza, MERS and SARS Viruses mean? It means making these virues more contagious, more pathogenic with a higher lethality index.

    This is code for Bioweapons engineering, gang. Just as "Enhanced Interrogation" is code.
    Your tin foil conspiracy theories have been totally debunked by real scientists that have studied the virus. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conspiracy...1_null_bsq_hed

    That's why audio forums shouldn't give platforms to people like you looking to spread conspiracy theories about a pandemic that is affecting all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrel View Post
    So, this is what it's like if you want some cookies from Costco today.

    Only one person wearing a mask?????

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    You see only one person in this picture wearing a mask. There were people throughout the line wearing a mask as they deemed necessary. There was for the most part at least a cart distance between people or couples. People in this state for the most part understand what is happening. This wasn't the Mardi Gras.
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    Yeah, seems at some point early admission defeats it's purpose.
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    Yeah, seems at some point early admission defeats it's purpose.
    I can agree with that. Getting older people out in 43 degree temperatures in early spring in the NW isn't the best plan.

    But, they do make a good cookie!
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