Thread: Coronavirus Live Updates

Originally Posted by Mechnutt

We are not allowed to prescribe these 2 drugs. It is being reserved for hospitalized patients. We have already had a few patients that wanted prescriptions for them.

Who is “we”? Except for most pharmacies not having any at the moment, there are no restrictions on prescribing either drug in the western US at least (I haven’t checked elsewhere), in fact many rheumatic patients need to take Plaquenil daily. And most daily medical bulletins (as well as Dr. Fauci) are urging caution in their use to treat COVID19.

The whole thing is like a bad freaking movie. And NO doubt, when its over, Hollowood will make a movie and reap the money from it. .

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

Coronavirus: Wuhan recovery gives rest of world hope, says WHO


GENEVA (AFP) - The World Health Organisation said on Friday (March 20) that the original epicentre in China of the coronavirus outbreak at last reporting no new cases gave hope to the rest of the world battling the pandemic.


The city of Wuhan registered no new cases of Covid-19 in 24 hours - for the first time since reporting its first case in December in an outbreak that has gone on to infect more than 250,000 people around the world and kill more than 11,000 people.


"Yesterday, Wuhan reported no new cases for the first time since the outbreak started," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a virtual news conference in Geneva.

"Wuhan provides hope for the rest of the world that even the most severe situation can be turned around.


"Of course, we must exercise caution; the situation can reverse. But the experience of cities and countries that have pushed back this coronavirus gives hope and courage to the rest of the world."


China as a whole is now reporting only a handful of new infections each day - all of them apparently from overseas visitors - as the crisis has shifted from Asia to Europe, which has now reported more deaths than China.




Source: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/ea...-hope-says-who


Ps. The city of Wuhan has been under lock down for 2 months. Movement restrictions have been eased but routes into and out of the city remain blocked for the time being.

That is good news.

Love this one!


Thank God for the Nerds (Jon Lajoie)
https://youtu.be/5QCkN_bSSaw

Originally Posted by rbbert

Who is “we”? Except for most pharmacies not having any at the moment, there are no restrictions on prescribing either drug in the western US at least (I haven’t checked elsewhere), in fact many rheumatic patients need to take Plaquenil daily. And most daily medical bulletins (as well as Dr. Fauci) are urging caution in their use to treat COVID19.

Here in MN! Yes, we can prescribe it for non COVID illnesses like RA. The issue is that this is a worldwide problem and the drug must be saved for the severely ill COVID patients. People want to take it as a preventative or have it on hand if they get sick. There is not enough drug to go around. We are already have patients come in or call wanting the drug.

And this is what is happening just like food and toilet paper-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...rus-treatment/

I am in the front line seeing patients daily with coughs, fevers, shortness of breath and I don't have access to the drugs for me or my family. Neither do all the hospital employees and we are more at risk than the general public. If fact. There is a shortage of PPE gear for healthcare professionals because the public is hoarding it.

And here is another article demonstrating the issue-

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...inity_20200321

IMO you should not be using hydroxychloroquine for your severely ill Covid patients. In Nevada and California, at least, the state medical boards have circulated evidence-based (as much as possible) guidelines, and like every other professional organization around the world, those drugs (hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, azithromycin) are not among the currently recommended treatments, although they may become part of some of the ongoing or future studies.

Originally Posted by rbbert

IMO you should not be using hydroxychloroquine for your severely ill Covid patients. In Nevada and California, at least, the state medical boards have circulated evidence-based (as much as possible) guidelines, and like every other professional organization around the world, those drugs (hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, azithromycin) are not among the currently recommended treatments, although they may become part of some of the ongoing or future studies.

That is because the results of the benefits of Hydroxychloroquine is anecdotal at best given the relatively small number of patients that has seen improvement of their illness is so small and patients still died on the drug.

And your point?

Originally Posted by nicoff

FWIW, A friend who is suspected of having CV is currently under treatment with hydroxychloroquine and Azathioprine. He is feeling well with no fever since he started treatment.

You can't prove that it is because of the drugs as the majority of patients have very mild symptoms and many are asymptomatic. You need a large number of patients in a controlled study. Do you know how many small studies showed improvement with drugs only to be dispelled in larger controlled studies. The medical literature is full of them. And just ask the drug companies of their failures.

Originally Posted by Mechnutt

You can't prove that it is because of the drugs as the majority of patients have very mild symptoms and many are asymptomatic. You need a large number of patients in a controlled study. Do you know how many small studies showed improvement with drugs only to be dispelled in larger controlled studies. The medical literature is full of them. And just ask the drug companies of their failures.

And nobody knows what illness he has/had.

Originally Posted by kzhtoo

US does not have enough test kits.
US does not have enough PPE, gowns, masks for medical workers.
US does not have enough hospital beds.
US does not have enough drugs for front line workers.
US public is hoarding the drugs.
US has 2 months prep time and did nothing.

^That is not a superpower. That is a third world country.

The U.S system of Government is not helpful in quickly implementing measures needed to slow the virus.

Much of the enforcement of public health is a power held by a city or state. Different cities and states can decide to confront the expanding outbreak in a slightly different way.


Furthermore, Vox reports that draconian measures like lockdowns, especially when paired with aggressive diagnostic testing, isolation of the sick, and contact tracing – actions which have been effective at slowing the virus spread elsewhere – might not be legal, per the Constitution.






Source: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...t-overreacting

There’s an initiative...
https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject....ronavirus.html


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We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.

Originally Posted by Mechnutt

We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.

There’s no deciding on the fallout from this virus, but if it changes our politics for the better then it gets a point.

If this thread is going to go from Medical to Politics then it may be time for Mike to shut it down.

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

The U.S system of Government is not helpful in quickly implementing measures needed to slow the virus.

Much of the enforcement of public health is a power held by a city or state. Different cities and states can decide to confront the expanding outbreak in a slightly different way.


Furthermore, Vox reports that draconian measures like lockdowns, especially when paired with aggressive diagnostic testing, isolation of the sick, and contact tracing – actions which have been effective at slowing the virus spread elsewhere – might not be legal, per the Constitution.






Source: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...t-overreacting

People need to remember Italy 60 million people, the US 327 million people. Test results would be higher when performed due to the amount of US people that travel aboard monthly.

Originally Posted by Jack

If this thread is going to go from Medical to Politics then it may be time for Mike to shut it down.

I totally agree, Kill the politics or kill the thread.

according to the below analysis FL is set to become not only the hottest hot-spot in the US but also the greatest source of contagion as theme park visitors and spring breakers travel throughout the state and then return to their homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/h...rmometers.html

https://healthweather.us

Originally Posted by soastrup

Take a look at this Folks: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

[IMG]https://miro.medium.com/max/4078/1*a9Lcz2g8DkKdnW0o_vk3ow.png[/IMG]

About time to send the kids home from their Florida spring break.

Please keep in mind that the author of this piece is a writer/journalist with no medical background. He does use a variety of appropriate sources, but IMHO his lack of knowledge results in some questionable conclusions. Dr. Frieden’s (former head of CDC) article at cnn.com (sorry no link) appears to be to be a better summary (to be sure, with some of the same conclusions and recommendations)

Originally Posted by Mechnutt

We have too many selfish people in the U.S. for a lock down and total quarantine to work unfortunately. FK constitutional rights as we are talking about saving thousands if not potentially hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly eradicating the virus.

And people will lose their homes, jobs and apartments. I don't get landlords threatening to evict people who can't pay their rent because their employer has shut down during the outbreak and they live paycheck to paycheck. Who do they think is going to rent the apartments during this time. Thankfully state governments have intervened. The federal government needs to not give everyone in the U.S. a check. They need to give more money to people who have not been able to work and do not have much savings. I would give my check to someone in need. They should also give these people total tax refunds for the year. We need to show compassion, understanding, generosity and forgiveness during this time.


Trump just lost his reelection IMO. He called the virus a hoax and did not take it seriously. He tried to censor the CDC and now it is too little too late. What an ass.

It's very easy to look back and criticize actions by the (President/Government) in this unprecedented pandemic.
Perhaps if you had been put in charge we would have been over this crisis by now.

I am a Landlord. In order to evict someone there has to be a period of time in which the tenant has not paid.
Then one needs to file papers in court and receive a court date. Once in court a Judgement can be obtained. Then a period of time is given for it to "cure". All this before an eviction can occur.
This "process" usually takes at least 3 weeks minimum.
Be wary of reports that have Landlords evicting people loosing their jobs due to the Corona virus. Generally, there has not been enough time since the closures for this to be the case.
In discussion with other Landlords we are trying to access the tenants situation and work with them thru this crisis. Reducing rents and or free rent for the short time are being implemented by most.
Remember,being a landlord is a business and we provide a much needed service.. Loan payments, taxes, utilities,maintenance etc need to be met.
The cost of an eviction and then cleaning out and freshening the apartment is an expense that landlords try to avoid if possible by working with the existing tenants. Especially now.
We are all in this together. Lets act that way.

Sage advice Joe, in tough times it can be tough to keep a level head, we all need to take a deep breath .....

Originally Posted by Jack

If this thread is going to go from Medical to Politics then it may be time for Mike to shut it down.

Agreed. Idiots spreading fake news.

One would hope that landlords, mortgage holders, etc. would realize not only that human decency is better upheld by working with renters and homeowners to find ways for everyone to be happy, but also that there is no long-term benefit to trying to foreclose or evict if there are no new renters or buyers to take the place of those evicted.

As far as politics goes, unfortunately at this time governments' (not only ours) responses to this pandemic and panic are as much a part of the story as the disease itself. It probably didn't need to be this way.

There is a reason most audio forums have a strict policy against political threads and discussions. This maybe the time to talk about the coronavirus, but this is not the place for it in my opinion. Politics can ruin relationships which is why audio forums try and stay out of politics.

Besides, if I want to know the latest pandemic news I turn on the TV or read news sites on the web. You can get your daily dose of finger pointing, trashing your favorite villain, and keep up on the conspiracy theories. I don’t go to audio forums to keep informed about the coronavirus virus.

Originally Posted by kzhtoo

^ I’m fine with this.




But don’t say this. I don’t think anyone here spreading the fake news. Apart from the ones who can’t stand the slightest of criticism towards you know who.

You might think there isn’t, but it’s true. That’s why these conversations aren’t appropriate for audio forums.

Originally Posted by mep

You might think there isn’t, but it’s true. That’s why these conversations aren’t appropriate for audio forums.

it's a 'sub - topic' within the forum, no one is forcing you or anyone else to participate

I would like to keep this thread going, but yes, please, let’s not discuss politics or use those political fingers to point blame. This isn’t the place for playing the blame game or conspiracy theories or whatever. That gets political.

Let’s stick to discussing just the virus, medical, science, etc.


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Originally Posted by soastrup

We beat this thing by setting aside our political differences and working together - across states, nations and the globe. That way and only that way.

Well said.


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Here are a few helpful links my company just sent out that can be better trusted than the normal Media outlets

https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
This is a live map that shows the total number of confirmed cases in each country. We would suggest not obsessing over this but your focus should be on the number of recovered patients which is much higher than the death total. Also, important to note is that this does not take into account those who have had the virus with mild symptoms and were therefore not tested.

https://www.thelancet.com/
The Lancet is a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal. It is among the world's oldest, most prestigious, and best known general medical journals. The Lancet provides fully referenced articles on many subjects including COVID19. Many articles are open source so are free to read.

https://www.who.int/news-room

Just checking the latest reports on the spread in Michigan.
It appears that areas with a more global mobile population are the ones that are being hit earlier, while the more rural counties are virtually virus (reported) free.
Is this similar in your state?

Originally Posted by jadedavid

Just checking the latest reports on the spread in Michigan.
It appears that areas with a more global mobile population are the ones that are being hit earlier, while the more rural counties are virtually virus (reported) free.
Is this similar in your state?

social distancing, it obviously works !

Originally Posted by mep

...if I want to know the latest pandemic news I turn on the TV or read news sites on the web...

Although most of what I have seen and read that way has been as hard to interpret (in terms of personal and real-world applicability) as a lot of what is posted here, and unfortunately there is quite a bit of "fake news" (to be fair, not always intentional, just accidental) even from otherwise respected news outlets. The difficulty for most readers and viewers is having an adequate knowledge and experience base to separate the wheat from the chaff. Even the CDC's credibility is questionable as the website continued to insist (even through 3/16) that transmission from people with minimal or no symptoms was not important.

Unfortunately, the only realistic advice for most people right now is to do what you are told (often in the form of mandatory government commands). The amount of non-critical, "independent thinking" opinions posted on this and other audiophile (and general interest) websites is astonishing and scary. If you don't have the appropriate knowledge base, experience and access to data to broadcast a worthwhile opinion, you should make that clear.

In retrospect (and it shouldn't be surprising) the data coming from China on this virus and the associated outbreak in China was woefully incomplete, leaving the rest of the world uninformed and unprepared. And like it or not, that was deliberate and political.

Rob, I agree with you. Every day is a new day and brings new information about the coronavirus. Sometimes what was thought to be true yesterday turns out to be false.

195* countries are now affected by this virus (Corona pandemic).

* That's the total number of countries in the world.

What appeared to be false yesterday is true today.

An interesting site

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/