Apple AirPods MAX

**Mike** · August 28, 2021, 07:11 PM

AirPods Max - Apple

Got a chance to listen to these today as my daughter was getting her laptop repaired at the Apple Store. At $549, they are inexpensive compared to many high end offerings but for the mass market, these are not cheap, but I have to tell you, they sound excellent! I love the little volume knob on the top of the right earpiece and the button quickly enables or disables the noise cancelling.

I’ve heard $3k headphones that don’t sound as good. Just saying….

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**joeinid** · August 31, 2021, 01:25 AM

Review: AirPods Max have become as important for music to me now as the iPod in the 2000s - 9to5Mac

**Randy Myers** · September 5, 2021, 08:54 PM

Yuk, Apple low-fi.

and for the Apple Lemmings

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**Mike** · September 5, 2021, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Yuk, Apple low-fi.

and for the Apple Lemmings

........

You tried them? Don’t knock them until you try them.

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**Randy Myers** · September 5, 2021, 09:08 PM

Hehe... tongue in cheek that will get Apple fan boys going

... sorry, but nothing Apple will enter our house... although I did actually buy two sets of speakers at the Apple store. They had the B&W computer speakers before anyone else did so picked up a pair for my and another for Cheryal's computers

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**Mike** · September 5, 2021, 09:11 PM

It’s too bad. Apple makes terrific products and they aren’t going anywhere. I don’t sell them, but IMO, I’m telling you, if they were from little XYZ headphone company, they would be $3k and everyone would want them. Apple can scale.

Just saying…

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**Randy Myers** · September 5, 2021, 09:35 PM

As someone who has worked in enterprise level software development for 30 years the Apple brand just irks me

. The true big brother company if ever there was one... and the irony abounds with their Mac introduction advertising campaign years ago insinuating that IBM was big brother.

I know Apple makes good products and I have tons of respect for Woz (tech wizard) and Jobs (marketing wizard). However, if it were up to Apple the home computer would cost $20k, there would be no competition and there would be few computers at home because very few people could afford one for their homes. The PC market forced them to make more competitive products back in the early days of personal computers.

If you recall the Apple II, the Commodore 64, and the Atari 800/800XL all used the same 6502 processor, but Apple and Commodore used closed systems, while Atari welcomed development of interfaces to integrate with new IBM PC... Commodore went out of business, Apple almost did if it were not for Jobs marketing genius. The PC market flourished...

The iPhone saved Apple. Their closed system has hooked in the customers because it is virtually impossible to move to another platform without loosing everything and starting from scratch. So their closed system that was originally a bane to their existence has now hooked their customers in...

I prefer to do as I wish with my equipment, which does not sit well with Apple's mode of operation... of course, to each his or her own

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**Mike** · September 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

As someone who has worked in enterprise level software development for 30 years the Apple brand just irks me

. The true big brother company if ever there was one... and the irony abounds with their Mac introduction advertising campaign years ago insinuating that IBM was big brother.

I know Apple makes good products and I have tons of respect for Woz (tech wizard) and Jobs (marketing wizard). However, if it were up to Apple the home computer would cost $20k, there would be no competition and there would be few computers at home because very few people could afford one for their homes. The PC market forced them to make more competitive products back in the early days of personal computers.

If you recall the Apple II, the Commodore 64, and the Atari 800/800XL all used the same 6502 processor, but Apple and Commodore used closed systems, while Atari welcomed development of interfaces to integrate with new IBM PC... Commodore went out of business, Apple almost did if it were not for Jobs marketing genius. The PC market flourished...

The iPhone saved Apple. Their closed system has hooked in the customers because it is virtually impossible to move to another platform without loosing everything and starting from scratch. So their closed system that was originally a bane to their existence has now hooked their customers in...

I prefer to do as I wish with my equipment, which does not sit well with Apple's mode of operation... of course, to each his or her own

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Randy, I came from ERP, SAP specifically, dating back to the R2 mainframe days before the rise of client/server and an ERP world fueled by Y2K. I started from scratch with $800 to my name, and built a company with 59 employees and 5 offices globally, including development/solutions in Noida. We worked on over 200 SAP implementations over a span of 22 years. I could write a book on Coke, Nike, BMS, AZ, Reebok, Nike, the US Army and even Enron and dozens of others.

I sold it.

I don’t miss it.

Windows was a menace, but we were required to use it. I personally switched to Apple in 2000 and never looked back. I hated the fact I had to use windoze for ERP purposes. Thankfully it’s all in the cloud today.

Windows itself is more of a closed OS than Apple OS which is based on UNIX. Apple has put safe guards in place to minimize virus/phishing/malware. Windows is much more of a mess for that.

IMO the iPod saved Apple, not the iPhone.

Hating on Apple is ridiculous IMO. I can’t imagine a Microsoft based IT world.

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**Randy Myers** · September 5, 2021, 11:09 PM

Yup, forgot the iPod... most all enterprises are Windows based, always have been (or for past 30-40 years anway). IT is almost 100% based on Microsoft

(DB2 and Oracle databases are used far less than SQL Server for example). Every place I have worked, Blue Cross, the DoD writing software used in NRO rocket launches, vice president of a local bank in charge of all data, and currently at the county, all have been 100% Microsoft shops (Microsoft Enterprises, o365, much of which is cloud based actually).

Many of the worst virus outbreaks over the recent years have been on iOS actually, mainly because Apple tells their users that they are invulnerable. Apple also tends to attempt to hide these.

Neither here nor there at this point. I am familiar with SAP, we use it at the County

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Although I know it is the way of the world now, I am not a huge fan of cloud computing. To me this means that my data is on someone else's computer... I trust AWS (Amazon) a whole lot less than my server boxes in a rack off my office

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**Mike** · September 5, 2021, 11:23 PM

I sold my business when SAP was moving to the cloud (code named HANA). I just couldn’t mentally ramp up for it. Mainframe environments to client server environments was the hay day all fueled by Y2K. Big hardware, big data centers, big network teams all combined with teams of developers and functional analysts, team leads, project managers and more was the hay day. It was time to move on. The company that acquired mine is continuing our 25 year success and that makes me happy. I started that company as an idea and $800 to my name almost 30 years ago. I definitely got to live the hay days of corporate IT. Oh man, the stories like wrapping up the project and getting all my money out of Enron literally two weeks before the shit hit the fan. $30 billion pharma client spending $10 million on a particular part of the project only to scrap it literally at the 11th hour.

. Scoping a 20 year project for the US Army called LIMS in 1998. So many stories.

Most LE’s are forced to stay on windoze because the specific software they run, which only runs on Windoze.

Most small businesses run on Apple.

Love Apple!

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**nicoff** · September 5, 2021, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

AirPods Max - Apple

Got a chance to listen to these today as my daughter was getting her laptop repaired at the Apple Store. At $549, they are inexpensive compared to many high end offerings but for the mass market, these are not cheap, but I have to tell you, they sound excellent! I love the little volume knob on the top of the right earpiece and the button quickly enables or disables the noise cancelling.

I’ve heard $3k headphones that don’t sound as good. Just saying….

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Yep, exactly. High resolution audio is overblown. Who needs high resolution when you can get spatial audio?

**Randy Myers** · September 5, 2021, 11:37 PM

Those were the days for sure. Big corps did not always make the "best" decisions

. I remember when we went through the final merger with Blue Cross back in the day. They had this huge investigation project on which software the IT department for all three regions would use. They were shocked when the final report picked and suggested the system I had designed and built and that we were using prior to the merger in the two other companies... I remember the director for the combined company IT Department pulling me aside and telling me they had to use the system they had install just prior to the merger. They simply assumed it would win and were shocked it did not. They had just paid $1.5 Mil for it. It was so bad that the final two + years I worked for Blue Cross I built a separate report system for that system since they had such a difficult time getting data out of it.

**Randy Myers** · September 6, 2021, 11:45 AM

Hmmm... closed back, noise cancelling, blue tooth, digital chip "spatial sound", needs Apple app (only iPhone, iPad users need apply). iPhone performance, high end digital audio players need not apply. I am 100% sure they destroy their main competitor..... hmmmm.... Bose

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What's not to love

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If someone wants portable music, is an Apple fan, only cares about Apple iPhone sound it is a good choice.

Definitely another keep it all in the Apple family product.

If someone is into high end audio and wants portable music I would invite them to check out hi-end DAP's such as those from Astell&Kern, Sony, etc., and some real top notch headphones... maybe some DSD256 files... I am very confident saying there will be no comparison.

**Mike** · September 6, 2021, 12:00 PM

Hopefully others will try them and comment.

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**Randy Myers** · September 6, 2021, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Hopefully others will try them and comment.

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I have no doubt any Apple iPhone audio fan using their current offering of ear buds and lo-end headsets will be 100% thrilled! They will be another successful Apple product and they will for sure take business from Bose, unless Bose actually makes these for Apple, which would not surprise me. They seem to be bedfellows. They will also not affect the high-end portable music market what so ever. Of course this is my opinion only, other opinions will surely vary.

**TheOctopus** · September 6, 2021, 12:15 PM

The Bose Sunglasses with sound are an interesting idea. Enjoy music on the go through the sunglasses. I am sure they will sound like a proper BOSE product but for casual listen while on the go, may be adequate.

Bluetooth Audio Sunglasses | Bose

**Randy Myers** · September 6, 2021, 12:45 PM

Dang, Bose is now allowing me to ditch my portable setup... who needs sound quality when I can have Bose attached to my head.... have they and Apple officially merge yet?

... just kidding...

**TheOctopus** · September 6, 2021, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Dang, Bose is now allowing me to ditch my portable setup... who needs sound quality when I can have Bose attached to my head.... have they and Apple officially merge yet?

... just kidding...

As a "proud" owner of the new thin iMac, I am blown away how Apple could have possibly unleashed such poor audio quality on the unsuspecting fans... I understand there are limitations when pushing the boundaries and redefining how "thin" a new computer can get but it is unlistenable and speech is often unintelligible when combined with background noise or music as is often the case on youtube, etc... The new iMac is 11.5mm thin.

I've heard BOSE that sounded a thousand times better. It bothered me so much that I ordered a new Alienware rig from Dell instead and put the iMac in another room where it probably will never get used or at least until I buy external speakers. I had to buy speakers for the Alienware since the monitor does not come with sound and there were no pretenses...

**NorthStar** · September 6, 2021, 03:01 PM

Funny thread; Apple is like a variant, Microsoft is like a variant, Linux ...

They have their pros and cons, from the first concepts, manufacturing, prices, competition, processing, quality control, support, exclusive add-ons, features, protection, privacy, security, philosophies, ...all that jazz.

What is he holding in his hand?

By the way, a pair of cans @ $550 US (approx. $800 Cdn total with tariff fees...trade exchange...$700 plus plus plus) for a laptop is not for everyone; you need to be a serious audiophile ... I feel right @ home.

**NorthStar** · September 6, 2021, 03:30 PM

Speaking of Bluetooth and wireless aptX ... hi-res audio ..
aptX Wireless Bluetooth Audio Products & Technology

* The new Galaxy Z Fold3 5G is equipped with Bluetooth (5.2) supporting aptX (as just one example) ...

There are others too, like last year's Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G (Bluetooth 5.0 with aptX), as a second example. And both are S-Pen compatible (for notes takers and artists on the good to go). ...Comes free with the Note20 Ultra.

Apple iPhone 12 (family of 4)? No
Perhaps Apple new iPhone 13 family next week?

Anyway ... it's all in the fun of living life in the technological advancement of hi-res audio wireless through headphones ... with a price to sell, and compress.

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