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Although I would love to see such a comparison, they would lose a few advertisers, for sure.
John Atkinson: "The best speakers I've ever used in my room were the Revel Salon2's"
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They would, and probably most readers would prefer magazines reviewing gear in the "standard way".
The only hi-fi magazine to my knowledge which has great credibility is Peter Aczel's The Audio Critic, and that magazine is not exactly full of advertisements.
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I appreciate JA's measurements and the time he spends on reporting them. I've really tried to associate measurements with what I hear over the past few years. For instance, I much prefer no-feedback amps and now understand why (even when I had BAT years ago and no idea about that relationship).
That said its interesting to see how JA has changed his interpretation of measurements over the years. re: amps, he nailed Dart 8550 for the things in the D'agostinos that he overlooked (and in fact, the 458s he seemed to come around on).
And honestly, the XA-60.5s which he loves so much don't measure that well from what I see- go figure.
That said its interesting to see how JA has changed his interpretation of measurements over the years. re: amps, he nailed Dart 8550 for the things in the D'agostinos that he overlooked (and in fact, the 458s he seemed to come around on).
And honestly, the XA-60.5s which he loves so much don't measure that well from what I see- go figure.
Actually, Peter Aczel has no credibility. He does have the distinction AFAIK of being the only reviewer to review his own product (while not revealing that he was the designer and manufacturer).
It's a well known scandal, the speakers were Fourier (or something close). It is the reason The Audio Critic disappeared for 10+ years and never regained its reputation or readership. Sorry I don't have specific links, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were even something in Wikipedia.
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Why would it be interesting? Maybe for those who believe that audio is the only technology that stands still.
Older gear sounds great and there are many fine systems comprised of such gear. That said the best systems will be comprised by manufacturers using the latest technologies and manufacturing techniques.
Found a good one; practically "from the horse's mouth"
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Yes, Fourier Loudspeakers began in Yonkers, New York and was funded by Peter Aczel of the Audio Critic. The Fourier 1 was a splendid speaker that retailed for approximately $1,100.00 each. Cabinets were all hand made, as were the crossovers. Tweeters were usually supplied by JVC. They did not suck power and were quite efficient under normal circumstances. The company with respect to sales and marketing efforts were run by myself, Christopher S. Terris. The company was designed to be a small volume, high profit facility that could respond to the technical advances of loudspeaker development more quickly than the higher volume loudspeaker facility, thus giving the consumer the best possible sound and value per dollar. Sadly, the company just was not competitive during its time and stereo retailers did not receive it warmly. Peter Aczel was also caught in the middle of a serious problem that came to the surface. He was giving the speaker rave reviews in the Audio Critic, but he also was a major shareholder in the company. When word got around it pretty much doomed any possibility of a successful distribution structure within the audio community of retailers. Thus, few were ever sold. In my opinion, although not at the level of an Ohm Acoustics model F, the Fourier 1 was a superb loudspeaker and well worth taking a good look at in the used market.
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Jim, I have to disagree. What gigantic revelations in loudspeaker technology have occurred since the Salon 2 has come out ?
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I guess that wouldn't apply to D'Agostino gear currently being manufactured. Through-hole technology circuit boards are hardly the latest in circuit board technology. Take a look at these pictures of Dan's current facility and you will quickly see this place isn't using the latest manufacturing techniques either. Anyone familiar with the concepts of LEAN and 6S will understand when they see the pictures:
A Factory Tour In The Enchanting Foothills Of Arizona - D'Agostino Master Audio Systems
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Because it is an approach very much more likely to be closer to the truth than the usual torrent of words presented by hi-fi-magazine authors.
And if for example a speaker X is much better than a speaker Y according to a hi-fi reviewer Z, then Z should obviously be able come to this conclusion in a blind test, too.
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Found a good one; practically "from the horse's mouth"
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Yes, Fourier Loudspeakers began in Yonkers, New York and was funded by Peter Aczel of the Audio Critic. The Fourier 1 was a splendid speaker that retailed for approximately $1,100.00 each. Cabinets were all hand made, as were the crossovers. Tweeters were usually supplied by JVC. They did not suck power and were quite efficient under normal circumstances. The company with respect to sales and marketing efforts were run by myself, Christopher S. Terris. The company was designed to be a small volume, high profit facility that could respond to the technical advances of loudspeaker development more quickly than the higher volume loudspeaker facility, thus giving the consumer the best possible sound and value per dollar. Sadly, the company just was not competitive during its time and stereo retailers did not receive it warmly. Peter Aczel was also caught in the middle of a serious problem that came to the surface. He was giving the speaker rave reviews in the Audio Critic, but he also was a major shareholder in the company. When word got around it pretty much doomed any possibility of a successful distribution structure within the audio community of retailers. Thus, few were ever sold. In my opinion, although not at the level of an Ohm Acoustics model F, the Fourier 1 was a superb loudspeaker and well worth taking a good look at in the used market.
If you can document your claim regarding Peter Aczel, then this information will be highly appreciated (and it will obviously imply a substantial drop in Aczel's credibility).
That being said, I think everybody must be careful in spreading bad rumours.
I therefore encourage you to present bullet-proof evidence of your claim.
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Are you saying you don't believe what Rob posted? What are you looking for? You want a summary court judgement?
How about this link? Is this enough proof for you? Fourier 6 loudspeaker Page 2 | Stereophile.com
Did you actually read what I posted?? It's from one of Aczel's partners in the company! If you want more information, do your own research, but be aware that what I posted is certainly true (unlike you, apparently, I was a subscriber to The Audio Critic from its inception in the '70's and followed this story in real time) and any assertions you make to the contrary are "bad rumors".
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He's already forgotten about the Giyas?
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mep & Rob: Please calm down. I just want the facts on the table. We probably agree in that people are innocent until proven guilty.
Thanks for the Stereophile link, mep.
I am hoping that you can show the review where Aczel is reviewing his own speakers (because I think it would be of great interest to several of us not aware of this if your claim is correct).
Thanks for the Stereophile link, mep.
I am hoping that you can show the review where Aczel is reviewing his own speakers (because I think it would be of great interest to several of us not aware of this if your claim is correct).
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Did you not read the Stereophile article?? Do you really think this didn't happen??
Please read these words from the Stereophile article I gave you the link to and tell me whether you don't understand them or you just don't believe Stereophile either:
While he was editing and publishing The Audio Critic, Peter Aczel became so disenchanted with the available audiophile loudspeakers that he decided to show the industry how to produce a moderately sized and priced system. The result was the Fourier 1, which aroused extensive critical discussion as to both its sonic merits and the ethics of promoting one's own speaker in one's own magazine. (Aczel favorably reviewed the Fourier 1 in one of the final issues of The Audio Critic before revealing that he was, in fact, one of the owners of Fourier.)
Do you really believe in "The Ten Biggest Lies in Audio" or is that a joke too? If you like Peter Aczel, you would love Julian Hirsch as well.
I doubt it is on-line (it's copyrighted and I don't think Aczel wants to make it too freely available). But the burden is on you, as I said; you are the one doubting it and only you can find the information that will comvince you.
It's possible that Myles may have some more detailed info; IIRC he was getting into the business in a bigger way about that time.
The question I asked him was "John, if you had to pick between the Salon 2's and Alexia's, which would you pick?" That was what people were wondering before.
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