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July 9, 2015, 12:18 AM #1
Harbeth 30.1s in the house - I think I'm done
I recently retired to Colorado and when I moved into my new house realized my SF Cremona Ms were too large for my listening area. After a lot of research, but few audition opportunities, I chose a replacement which I finally installed today - Harbeth M30.1s on Sound Anchor stands. Having never heard them I nervously hooked them up to my MA6600 and listened to Ella and Louis on SACD and The Tedeschi Trucks Band Revelator on CD. Tomorrow I set up my turntable (my preferred source) and will really start critically listening.
But let me just say this. Wow. Out of the box - freakin' wow. I expected Ella and Susan Tedeschi to sound superb, but the real revelations were all of the cracks, creases, warmth and character of Louis Armstrong's voice and the sweetness of Derek Trucks' slide guitar. I have listened to these albums dozens of times, including through a top of the line Ayre system and Revel Salons and I've never heard the level of detail I heard tonight, nor the transparency, all while being very musical and involving. No, they're not the last word in deep bass - I didn't expect them to be. But for what I value they are amazing. Could I finally be done searching for the holy grail and spend my money on vinyl instead? I sure hope so. Chris
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July 9, 2015, 01:31 AM #2
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Congrats man. I'd love to get my ears on a pair of 30.1's.
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July 9, 2015, 01:37 AM #3
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Congrats Chris,
I never heard the 30.1 but I have the P3ESR ( = 20.1) and the 40.1.
I can relate perfectly to your description of the Harbeth sound.
There are the expected qualities : naturalness, saturated and rich tones, truth of timbre, meat on the bone.
But all listeners are usually very surprised by an incredible transparency and tons of details.
I have listened very carefully to the 40.1 next to my Wilson WP8's. The 40.1 are more resolved. We can hear details that are erased with the Wilsons. I also listened to tracks that I know by heart on Sasha 2 and Alexias.
The 40.1 are more transparent and detailed than both of them.
Most people who never heard Harbeth think that they are warm and colored.
While they are true monitors : made to hear everything.Shindo, Nagra, Electrocompaniet, Harbeth, AMR, Mc Intosh, Auditorium 23, Rega, DeVore, JC Verdier, WireWorld, Kimber
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July 9, 2015, 01:43 AM #4
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Jerome - if I had a larger listening space I likely would have gone for the 40.1s, but then again I likely wouldn't then have had the reason to make the change. The Harbeths truly are beautiful sounding, but it's the detail retrieval, speed and transparency that are so astonishing to me. Almost like electrostatic or planar speakers.
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July 9, 2015, 07:09 AM #5
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Chris, congrats on the new 30.1's. I'm glad you're getting settled in your new home,as am I. We're both waiting to hook up our vinyl sources, I think you will beat me there as I'm still waiting for my rack to be built.
I had a chance to listen to Harbeths a couple of months ago, they were fantastic sounding speakers! I agree with you and Jerome,the Harbeth sound is so much more than how people usually describe them.
I love Susan Tedeschi too, my favorite album of hers is "Just Won't Burn".Mark
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July 9, 2015, 08:20 AM #6
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Congrats Chris. The 30.1s are fantastic.
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July 9, 2015, 09:00 AM #7
re: Harbeth 30.1s in the house - I think I'm done
The 30.1 are awesome speakers. Congratulations on the new setup.
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July 9, 2015, 09:24 AM #8
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Enjoy,
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July 9, 2015, 11:37 PM #9
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Other errands prevented me from setting up my turntable or listening much to the Harbeths today, but I did listen to Beck's Morning Phase on CD and it was sublime. Compared to the Cremona Ms, Beck's voice was more forward and his guitar was crisp and clear. Instruments were no longer packed together but were clearly separated. That vaunted midrange of the 30.1s is no joke. Chris
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July 10, 2015, 12:19 AM #10
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July 10, 2015, 09:02 PM #11
Re: Harbeth 30.1s in the house - I think I'm done
Welcome to the Harbeth sound.
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July 10, 2015, 11:11 PM #12
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July 11, 2015, 01:02 PM #13
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July 11, 2015, 01:32 PM #14
Re: Harbeth 30.1s in the house - I think I'm done
I am moving in 2 weeks.
The music room will be smaller.
I may end up selling my 40.1 and buy the 30.1. Or the 30.2 ?Shindo, Nagra, Electrocompaniet, Harbeth, AMR, Mc Intosh, Auditorium 23, Rega, DeVore, JC Verdier, WireWorld, Kimber
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July 13, 2015, 05:36 AM #15
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so pleased you are enjoying the M30.1s... can you send a quick photo to us at the factory - attn Trevor? sound@harbeth.co.uk
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July 13, 2015, 01:22 PM #16
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Congrats on the Harbeths. I heard the for the first time at Axpona this year. They were paired with the Vinnie Rossi Lio. It was one of the best sounding rooms at Axpona. If I ever decide to ditch my Magnepans, the Harbeths would be on my short list to replace them.
Just curious, has any one compared Harbeths to Audio Note speakers? I have never heard a pair of AN's but have read a lot about them.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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July 13, 2015, 01:26 PM #17
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July 13, 2015, 01:35 PM #18
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July 13, 2015, 01:37 PM #19
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July 13, 2015, 01:42 PM #20
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July 16, 2015, 05:51 AM #21
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Hi, I am new to the forum although I have lurked here off and on for a long time. I am the very happy owner of a pair of Harbeth Super HL5 Plus loudspeakers and I cannot foresee any circumstances in which I would change them. The upstream electronics may change but I actually think that after 40 or more years seeking my "ideal" sound I have now found it with this system.
Chris K in the UK
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July 16, 2015, 07:58 AM #22
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Welcome to the forum Chris! Thank you for joining.
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July 16, 2015, 10:18 AM #23
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Welcome to AS Chris!
I've heard your speakers at my dealers place, they're fantastic.Mark
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July 17, 2015, 12:42 PM #24
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Chris K in the UK
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July 17, 2015, 12:44 PM #25
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Chris K in the UK
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July 23, 2015, 07:28 PM #26
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I still haven't got my turntable set up yet (lots of honey do projects) so I continue to listen to my 30.1s with SACDs and CDs as my source through McIntosh equipment. My continuing impression is that while the Harbeths won't transform poorly recorded/engineered/produced recordings into great ones (although they are more listenable), with good to great recordings the results are spectacular. Compared to my old Cremona Ms (which I liked), the detail, timbre and transparency are astounding and very natural. I'll give another example to the ones I've already cited - sorry if I'm nattering on too much and getting boring (although I may have passed that point a while ago).
Last night I sat down and listened to Eric Clapton's "Me and Mr Johnson", not my favorite Clapton album (sounds like an Englishman with good diction imitating a Mississippi bluesman, which it is) but it has decent sound. On the Harbeth's it sounds great, but I'd like to focus on the sound of the old tube guitar amplifiers that were used. The Harbeth's fully transmit the sound and tone of those amps - which have their own signature (which is why they are coveted by blues musicians). That full sound was not really in evidence with the Sonus Fabers, but it was very present and dare I say three dimensional on the Harbeth's. You are there. Fantastic. Chris
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July 23, 2015, 07:34 PM #27
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Funny stuff Chris. We sincerely appreciate your opinion. It'll take a while for the speakers to break in so just enjoy the ride. So happy you love the 30.1's, they really are wonderful speakers.
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July 23, 2015, 08:18 PM #28
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Congrats and welcome to the forum, Chris! Harbeths are great speakers have a midrange that seduces you to listen for hours and hours! Congrats!
Allen
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August 12, 2015, 09:21 PM #29
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Thought I'd pile on to this thread as I also have harbeth M30.1s in da house!!!!
just got me a pair. Listening to my first recoding through them now (Ben Sollee, Leanring To Bend). So far color me impressed. Definitely think these work for me better than my last harbeth speaker (SHL5).
On metal stands now but working on a proper harbeth type stand.
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August 12, 2015, 09:29 PM #30
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Sweet setup!
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August 12, 2015, 09:35 PM #31
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Very nice! I like the 30.1s.
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August 13, 2015, 12:26 AM #32
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August 13, 2015, 01:22 AM #33
Harbeth 30.1s in the house - I think I'm done
Very nice ! Congrats !
Definitely more musical than PMC.
I also prefer the sound of the Monitor series ( I have the P3ESR = 20.1 and the 40.1 ) compared to the SHL5.
The SHL5 is maybe more "modern" sounding but to me some "soul" of the music is lost and I am not sure of their general balance which seems tilted towards the treble.
I would love to hear the 30.1 in my room.
Visually less invasive than the big 40.1's.
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August 13, 2015, 02:53 AM #34
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I'm surprised to learn how affordable Harbeth monitors are.
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August 13, 2015, 08:01 AM #35
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Congrats Jax. Any first impressions?
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August 13, 2015, 09:30 AM #36
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Very nice Tom!
How do they compare to the PMC's?Mark
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August 13, 2015, 09:42 AM #37
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Spinning some RHCP on a set of P3ESR's at the moment. DSCF1346.JPG
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March 5, 2018, 10:56 PM #38
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I was the OP on this thread and thought I’d update it after a change to my system today. I received my PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium HP Integrated Amplifier on Saturday but left it unpacked until this morning to adjust to room temperature and altitude. I donned the supplied white gloves, unwrapped the tubes, hooked her up, and let her warm up for only 10 minutes. I then played the following:
- Gillian Welch, The Harrow and the Harvest (LP)
- Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, Ella and Louis (SACD)
- Eric Clapton, Crossroads 2, Live in the Seventies (CD)
I have pretty transparent and precise sources - both turntable and SACD player - and unfortunately with my prior solid state amp they sounded almost clinical. The music no longer moved me and my listening sessions shortened as I quickly became disinterested. In the hopes of fixing this, I decided to try tubes again (I had a CJ PV5 30 years ago) and the PL is apparently not only the prescription but the cure.
I play acoustic guitar and sing a bit, solo and with others, so I’m particularly sensitive to the sound of acoustic instruments and unamplified human voice. Gillian Welch and David Rawlings could have been playing right in front of me - the tone of his 1935 Epiphone Olympic archtop unmistakable. Satchmo has never sounded better - his voice warm and vibrant - and Ella clear and pure. All instruments sounded natural. Then I threw in a little live electric blues - Clapton playing Eyesight for the Blind. I had to turn it up and there it was - goosebumps. My eyes had been closing, my head swaying, my toes tapping throughout, but the goosebumps sealed the deal. I’m not good at using audio terms to describe what I hear (I really couldn’t care less about that). What I care about is how I relate to the music I’m listening to - am I moved, am I swept up, does everything else seem to fall away? Once I put the PL into my system all of these tests were met and I was thoroughly enjoying the music. That is what I was looking for.
I’m leaving the amp on overnight to make sure all the tubes have settled (I won’t be leaving it on thereafter) and I’ve already been bitten by the tube rolling bug (no need to, just curiosity) and have ordered a pair of Cifte 12AU7s. I can’t wait to hear this puppy once it’s broken in a bit and I’ve swapped in the new tubes. The Harbeth 30.1s are very musical and now I feel that their potential is fully realized.
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March 6, 2018, 12:09 AM #39
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Really enjoying the Harbeth 30.2 40th with the PrimaLuna Dialogue HP as well. Great pairing. I have a hard time deciding which I like better the Luxman or the PrimaLuna as they both sound great with the Harbeths. I think the Luxman pulls ahead just slightly for my taste but I will probably pair the PrimaLuna with a pair of P3ESR.
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March 6, 2018, 12:24 AM #40
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Serge - I believe we’ve been corresponding under different avatars on a different forum about this subject. I was wondering, did you do any tube rolling in using the PL in connection with your 30.2s?
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We have! I have not tube rolled yet. I've always liked the EL34 sound in general and the PrimaLuna opens up so many possibilities from EL34 all the way to KT150s that I believe there is quite a bit of leeway there to tweak the sound to your preference for even better synergy. I'm enjoying it at is with the stock EL34s for the next couple of months at least until if fully breaks in and I can understand where I want to take it with other tubes.
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March 6, 2018, 12:40 AM #42
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I’m pretty happy with the EL34s myself, but curiosity has gotten the best of me and on the basis of other comments I’d read I’ve ordered 2 Cifte tubes to replace the middle 2 12AU7s in the front row Preamp tubes of the PL. I’ll report back on any difference I hear once they come in and they’ve been burned in. As an aside, despite some really troll like comments I’ve read about him elsewhere, Kevin Deal has been a delight to work with and has been really responsive. Chris
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Never had any problems with Kevin Deal. I've purchased quite a few things from him over the last 15 years or so. Looking forward to your impressions with the Cifte tube swap.
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