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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Calvin,

    Thanks for chiming in, appreciate it.
    You have a nice room, the A5's would work out for you.
    I've uploaded a couple of pics, see what I mean when I say I don't have a lot of real estate!
    The tape on the floor is because the elements dont fit into my rack.
    I'm considering putting marble behind the TV to be able to fix it on the wall and then create a marble stand for the elements.
    I have to do it like this because at the moment the doubling of the wall doesnt allow to fix the tv on it since the door slides inside the panel behind the tv...
    That's beautiful. You are making good use of the space. But like you said, it's tight.

    The A3s and A5s are close to the same size:

    A3: 44”H x 11”D x 9.25”W (FR: 26 Hz – 50 KHz)

    A5: 44.75”H x 14.9”D x 10.5”W (FR: 24 Hz – 50 kHz)

    As compared to:

    A1: 15.6”H x 12”D x 8.5”W (FR: 35 Hz – 50 KHz)

    So, I'd feel comfortable with either A3 or A5. In your space, I wouldn't feel comfortable with A1s on a stand so close to what I think maybe a doorway though ... but that's just me.

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    Yup I'm with you concerning A1's plus I don't like the look of bookshelves.
    Sadly I can't push the walls! I keep on looking but I keep on coming back to the A3's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Yup I'm with you concerning A1's plus I don't like the look of bookshelves.
    Sadly I can't push the walls! I keep on looking but I keep on coming back to the A3's...
    Catching up. Where are you at with your decision to go with Essence? IMO, without listening, you can’t go wrong. And in time, you will have the ability to upgrade your speakers. Perfect
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Catching up. Where are you at with your decision to go with Essence? IMO, without listening, you can’t go wrong. And in time, you will have the ability to upgrade your speakers. Perfect
    Ah, my bad. I just realized you bought it/them. For some reason thought you were still auditioning.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Ah, my bad. I just realized you bought it/them. For some reason thought you were still auditioning.
    No I haven’t bought anything then
    I’m pretty close to pulling the trigger. Most likely next week

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    No I haven’t bought anything then
    I’m pretty close to pulling the trigger. Most likely next week
    Ah, OK. Do it. And enjoy. You will not regret it. Years of musical pleasure awaits.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Sorry if I missed it, assuming you will stream digital at least for some music, what DAC will you go with?
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
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    Thank you I will keep updated!

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    Yes I want a simple streaming system. Thinking about using the new aurender N20 as a source and going for the Zena DAC module of the preamp for simplicity reasons.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Yes I want a simple streaming system. Thinking about using the new aurender N20 as a source and going for the Zena DAC module of the preamp for simplicity reasons.
    I think a great combination. I have not tried a Gryphon DAC but there are many on this forum who have and from what I can gather they all love them.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    I think a great combination. I have not tried a Gryphon DAC but there are many on this forum who have and from what I can gather they all love them.
    Just to put an idea out there for you to consider. Not sure of your budget or how this stacks up cost-wise against your idea. Maybe an all in one Lumin X1? Couldn’t get more simpler, and from previous experience with Lumin you will get quality sound and amazing after sales service (especially with Peter on this forum). Just an idea.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    I agree with you. I like bass but the dealer keeps steering me away from it. I wanted the A3's or 5's and he was pushing for A1 now S1.
    Strange, IMO. Does your dealer have A5 experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Strange, IMO. Does your dealer have A5 experience?
    Agree. Makes zero sense
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Essence with the A5s is perfect IMO. Sometimes I wish I had gone down that path and saved a lot of money
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
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    My reasoning for the gryphon DAC is that it can be considered an economic solution and it doesn’t prevent me from trying other DACS in the future.
    Another idea is that it will also reinforce the gryphon house sound used in combination.
    The next step up would be going the MSB route which would cost a lot more.
    For a streamer DAC I had also thought of the DCS bartok but I can’t listen to it.
    As of lumin, I was also thinking about the X1. I think it’s about the same price as the aurender.
    I did an audition a few weeks ago between a lumin an auralic and an aurender and I couldn’t listen to the lumin because of the highs. I don’t recall which model it was. I’m sure the X1 is a great piece but maybe it needs careful pairing.

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    He has them in the shop. Keeps telling me they won’t work in my room

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Hi Alchemist,

    I'm considering a similar system as you, except to go with the A5's. Have you considered the MSB Discrete w/Powerbase? It would be less expensive than the Essence pre/DAC, possibly offer better sound, and possibly offer a better upgrade path. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to listen to any of the gear yet, just browsing on sites like this.
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    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.
    The synergy of power supplies, circuitry and wiring are some of what makes the same brand pre amplifier match the amplifier, breaking this is possible, but best done by in home listening IMO assuming you can. You can always use an integrated amplifier, and add the streamer then your safe.

    Looking forward to hear what decision you made, and post photos. Best!


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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    The synergy of power supplies, circuitry and wiring are some of what makes the same brand pre amplifier match the amplifier, breaking this is possible, but best done by in home listening IMO assuming you can. You can always use an integrated amplifier, and add the streamer then your safe.

    Looking forward to hear what decision you made, and post photos. Best!


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    I'm with you on this - I will audition speakers again at the end of the week and I think I'm going to pull the trigger after that
    I'll keep updating!

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    My reasoning for the gryphon DAC is that it can be considered an economic solution and it doesn’t prevent me from trying other DACS in the future.
    Another idea is that it will also reinforce the gryphon house sound used in combination.
    The next step up would be going the MSB route which would cost a lot more.
    For a streamer DAC I had also thought of the DCS bartok but I can’t listen to it.
    As of lumin, I was also thinking about the X1. I think it’s about the same price as the aurender.
    I did an audition a few weeks ago between a lumin an auralic and an aurender and I couldn’t listen to the lumin because of the highs. I don’t recall which model it was. I’m sure the X1 is a great piece but maybe it needs careful pairing.
    To me it sounds really strange that you couldn't listen to the Lumin X1 because of the highs.....having heard it myself on several occasions i do not recall it to be harsh or overly bright at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    To me it sounds really strange that you couldn't listen to the Lumin X1 because of the highs.....having heard it myself on several occasions i do not recall it to be harsh or overly bright at all.
    Hi FDPDK,

    I didn't say it was the X1 and I even said I didn't recall which model it was and I exercised a word of caution by saying maybe it needs careful pairing.
    The audition was lumin - soulution 330 + dac - magico a1
    Then we went from the lumin to auralic to aurender. I dont think it was the highest models of streamers for each.
    The highs on the lumin were not good at all with this combo.
    I will audition again later this week normally and I can let you know which one it was if you're interested.

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    _Alchemist_ its very kind of you to perform another listen , for me personally its not necessary as i have heard the Lumin X1 on several occasions and also had it on loan here in my own system. And i did find it very very good in all areas of performance.
    I still hope i can make it financially next year so i can get the Lumin X1 , as its on my top priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    _Alchemist_ its very kind of you to perform another listen , for me personally its not necessary as i have heard the Lumin X1 on several occasions and also had it on loan here in my own system. And i did find it very very good in all areas of performance.
    I still hope i can make it financially next year so i can get the Lumin X1 , as its on my top priority.
    I wish I could listen to it because it would be a very good candidate for my source - I like the fact you can go direct fiber into it. You eliminate a lot of network noise issues

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    I'm using a Lumin X1 with my Gryphon Diablo 300 and very happy with them, but I really want to check out the Essence pre/pro combo. Alchemist if you do get the all Gryphon package I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.

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    Hi Jeff, if you're in HK I think Radar audio has them on demo.
    Regardless, I'm thinking maybe to go to Denmark for a couple of days to try and listen to this combo and some speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Jeff, if you're in HK I think Radar audio has them on demo.
    Regardless, I'm thinking maybe to go to Denmark for a couple of days to try and listen to this combo and some speakers.
    Just be aware that not many , if any dealer have the Essence in their shops.....so if we could be past this Covid 19 a journey combined with Hi-Fi is always interesting especially to another country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.
    I have studied the hi-end DAC marketplace extensively and I have two comments for you:

    (1) We both know the core input source to your system, esp if you mostly use Tidal and Qobuz hi-res streaming, is the most crucial choice of all. Everything downstream of that will never exceed what is fed into it no matter how expensive of good these components are

    (2) So choose your streaming device and DAC (maybe one unit) very carefully and research very closely. You'll be repaid a hundred times if you do. Others here may disagree, but IMO there are only two entities producing truly outstanding DACs and these are dCS and MSB. These are companies that are deep DAC specialists and it is a highly technically sophisticated area of audio technology and accordingly, companies that do DACs and much else almost always produce good or bad DAcs but never truly sonically outstanding DACs. I personally purchased a dCS Bartok (dCS entry-level unit) and my listening experience was and is absolutely transformed by that choice. I have never had such a magical and radical change in sonic enjoyment from one piece of equipment, ever, period. And every better component-wise you add downstream to that DAC just makes the whole better and better as the first source is so remarkable in its capabilities to deliver analogue output from digital beginnings. Read the most reputable reviews of dCS and MSB DACs and you will appreciate what these units can do. More importantly, listen to them pre-purchase if possible. Note how most truly hi-end manufacturers use dCS or MSB DACs in their demo rooms at shows - this is not a coincidence.

    Finally, there are audiophiles I know well and trust and who love and own big Gryphon gear and they would not and have not bought Gryphon DACs, they consider them good but not the best by far. They own mostly dCS units as it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    Just be aware that not many , if any dealer have the Essence in their shops.....so if we could be past this Covid 19 a journey combined with Hi-Fi is always interesting especially to another country.
    There is only one dealer in Denmark. Listened to the Essence combo there, and they sounded really good.

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    NebobDK , welcome to the Forum , and that was also what i was aware of that there might only be one dealer here which is sad. And i dont know why it is like that.
    What was the speakers ? and cables used ?
    What music was you listening to. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    NebobDK , welcome to the Forum , and that was also what i was aware of that there might only be one dealer here which is sad. And i dont know why it is like that.
    What was the speakers ? and cables used ?
    What music was you listening to. ?
    Cables were Gryphons Vanta and loudspeakers were Gryphon Mojo and YG Carmel. Source was some highend vinyl rig. We listened to blues, jazz, and classical (e.g. John Lanchbery’s La Fille Mal Gardee and J.S. Ondara American Dream). I brought my own Luxman c-900u preamp, and there is no doubt that the Essence preamp is a MUCH better partner with the Essence power amp. That should not come as a big surprise, but I was still astounded by the difference in soundstage, smoothness and the way music flowed from the speakers when the Gryphons played together.
    I am very curious to audition the Essence siblings with my Vivid Audio speakers..

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    Thank you very much NebobDK
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Well, I’ve owned the essence combo for 2 1/2 months and wanted to explain the Green Bias feature of the Gryphon Essence combo if folks are thinking about buying the combo (Yes I bought mine from SunCoast Audio). My goal is to get a decent sound but make sure synergy is the number one priority without a million trial and errors. I’ve only been at this for 20 years and I’m still making mistakes. I realize there are better pre amps and dac's (yes the MSB stack is way better) but I wanted semi simplicity.The Green Bias connection between the amp and pre amp is slick as heck. First it allows you to leave the unit on 24/7 and the amp is cold to the touch. I keep the combo in stealth mode so 99% of indicator are off. I use to own a Luxman 590AX many moons ago and it was a little space heater if I left it on 24/7. The Bias connection also serves as trigger switch to turn the amp on and off, you control the Bias in two modes low or high settings thru the volume control.

    Low setting: volume control: 00-09 low bias (light bar green), 10-19 medium bias (light bar red), 20-42 (high bias light bar red)
    High setting: volume control: 00-15 low bias (light bar green),16-25 medium bias (light bar red), 26-42 high bias (light bar red)

    I prefer the medium and high bias, it is way better than low bias for critical listening. If you want pure class A at a lower volume you have to disconnect the cord which I’ve done if I want listen at super low volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnthomas View Post
    Well, I’ve owned the essence combo for 2 1/2 months and wanted to explain the Green Bias feature of the Gryphon Essence combo if folks are thinking about buying the combo (Yes I bought mine from SunCoast Audio). My goal is to get a decent sound but make sure synergy is the number one priority without a million trial and errors. I’ve only been at this for 20 years and I’m still making mistakes. I realize there are better pre amps and dac's (yes the MSB stack is way better) but I wanted semi simplicity.The Green Bias connection between the amp and pre amp is slick as heck. First it allows you to leave the unit on 24/7 and the amp is cold to the touch. I keep the combo in stealth mode so 99% of indicator are off. I use to own a Luxman 590AX many moons ago and it was a little space heater if I left it on 24/7. The Bias connection also serves as trigger switch to turn the amp on and off, you control the Bias in two modes low or high settings thru the volume control.

    Low setting: volume control: 00-09 low bias (light bar green), 10-19 medium bias (light bar red), 20-42 (high bias light bar red)
    High setting: volume control: 00-15 low bias (light bar green),16-25 medium bias (light bar red), 26-42 high bias (light bar red)

    I prefer the medium and high bias, it is way better than low bias for critical listening. If you want pure class A at a lower volume you have to disconnect the cord which I’ve done if I want listen at super low volume.
    I am a bit puzzled about you description regarding the medium bias. My dealer tells me that the Essence power amp can only run low and high bias. He did ask a tech guy at Gryphon. The inclusion of the medium bias interval on the Essence preamp is for pairing with Antileon and Mephisto amps that both have three bias levels. With the Essence pair, I listened to, the power amp went straight from low bias to high bias - green to red light - at volume 16.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    When the essence amp is operated without the green bias wire you have low and high bias:
    page 15 of the essence amp manual.

    Low, med and high when using the green bias with gryphon preamp: page 16 of the gryphon preamp manual.

    Maybe I’m reading the manual incorrectly but I don’t think so. LMK
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnthomas View Post
    When the essence amp is operated without the green bias wire you have low and high bias:
    page 15 of the essence amp manual.

    Low, med and high when using the green bias with gryphon preamp: page 16 of the gryphon preamp manual.

    Maybe I’m reading the manual incorrectly but I don’t think so. LMK
    You are correct. The green bias is awesome. With the essence, the low bias is quite a low volume and then you quickly jump to medium and then eventually to high.
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    The Essence Preamp has three biases, low, mid and high, just like the Antileon and Mephisto amps. But the Essence amp only has two, high and low. When the two Essence are paired, if the amplifier receives the low bias command, this is the one it adopts, and if it receives the medium or high bias it adopts the high bias.

    Page 19 of the Gryphon Amplifier Manual

    “The Essence Power will change to Bias High if receiving “Bias Medium” and “Bias High” commands from the preamplifier .
    It will change to Bias Low if receiving “Bias Low” command from the preamplifier”
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    Looks futuristic and well built

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Read both this & the preceding Aussie review - I'll take the Aussie review every day of the week & twice on Sundays - how do I spell bias

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    6 Moons review. Synergy is a thing!

    Apols if been posted already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R S View Post
    6 Moons review. Synergy is a thing!

    Apols if been posted already.

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    I'm thinking of putting a Center Stage 1.5 under the Essence amp. Do you know if the feet can be easily removed?
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    “ Class A
    True Class A operation has always been a Gryphon benchmark, simply because nothing in our experience can match the sonic glories of pure Class A.

    Unfortunately, true Class A is even rarer today than when we originally introduced the DM100. Rising consumer awareness has forced some manufacturers to stop making outrageous, unsubstantiated claims of Class A power ratings that only exist in the fevered imagination of some marketing "expert".

    Still, there is a growing number of so-called “new” Class A topologies based on automatic biasing which somehow allows the amplifier to sense when the bias should increase to ensure constant Class A performance!

    If such a thing were to work as claimed, it would be tantamount to a re-writing of the laws of physics. In order for an amplifier to be able to increase bias and stabilize thermally to instantaneously meet the dynamics of the input, it would have to be able to predict what is going to happen next on the recording. Auto-biasing can by nature only respond to something that has already happened and the bias will rush up and down in a desperate attempt to follow the last note.

    Put bluntly, there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to pure Class A, so we state with no apologies: True, pure CLASS A means heavy transformers, very large heatsinks, lots of heat, lots of electricity, expensive parts and costly assembly.”

    Truer words were never spoken about Class A. Cutting through the BS. Gryphon gets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    “ Class A
    True Class A operation has always been a Gryphon benchmark, simply because nothing in our experience can match the sonic glories of pure Class A.

    Unfortunately, true Class A is even rarer today than when we originally introduced the DM100. Rising consumer awareness has forced some manufacturers to stop making outrageous, unsubstantiated claims of Class A power ratings that only exist in the fevered imagination of some marketing "expert".

    Still, there is a growing number of so-called “new” Class A topologies based on automatic biasing which somehow allows the amplifier to sense when the bias should increase to ensure constant Class A performance!

    If such a thing were to work as claimed, it would be tantamount to a re-writing of the laws of physics. In order for an amplifier to be able to increase bias and stabilize thermally to instantaneously meet the dynamics of the input, it would have to be able to predict what is going to happen next on the recording. Auto-biasing can by nature only respond to something that has already happened and the bias will rush up and down in a desperate attempt to follow the last note.

    Put bluntly, there is no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to pure Class A, so we state with no apologies: True, pure CLASS A means heavy transformers, very large heatsinks, lots of heat, lots of electricity, expensive parts and costly assembly.”

    Truer words were never spoken about Class A. Cutting through the BS. Gryphon gets it.

    Ken
    Agree with above. While I do not own one, the Essence pre does have the nice feature of being able to adjust the bias according to "need". Also, my amp powers our main family room AV. I can push a button on the underside of my Essence amp which allows it to stay in AB when the kids are watching TV....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky64 View Post
    Agree with above. While I do not own one, the Essence pre does have the nice feature of being able to adjust the bias according to "need". Also, my amp powers our main family room AV. I can push a button on the underside of my Essence amp which allows it to stay in AB when the kids are watching TV....
    I didn’t know. That’s a cool feature.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Guys any idea if a pair of Essence Monos would drive better my Thiel CS 3.7s than my Diablo 300 ?
    My dealer is willing to lend me the stereo version to try but he doesn't have the Monos.
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    Hello Mike
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    Question for you, which phono preamp would you pair a Essence Combo? remember I have the Magico A5. thanks.
    tube or SS ( phono)

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