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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Calvin,

    Thanks for chiming in, appreciate it.
    You have a nice room, the A5's would work out for you.
    I've uploaded a couple of pics, see what I mean when I say I don't have a lot of real estate!
    The tape on the floor is because the elements dont fit into my rack.
    I'm considering putting marble behind the TV to be able to fix it on the wall and then create a marble stand for the elements.
    I have to do it like this because at the moment the doubling of the wall doesnt allow to fix the tv on it since the door slides inside the panel behind the tv...
    That's beautiful. You are making good use of the space. But like you said, it's tight.

    The A3s and A5s are close to the same size:

    A3: 44ĒH x 11ĒD x 9.25ĒW (FR: 26 Hz Ė 50 KHz)

    A5: 44.75ĒH x 14.9ĒD x 10.5ĒW (FR: 24 Hz Ė 50 kHz)

    As compared to:

    A1: 15.6ĒH x 12ĒD x 8.5ĒW (FR: 35 Hz Ė 50 KHz)

    So, I'd feel comfortable with either A3 or A5. In your space, I wouldn't feel comfortable with A1s on a stand so close to what I think maybe a doorway though ... but that's just me.
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    Yup I'm with you concerning A1's plus I don't like the look of bookshelves.
    Sadly I can't push the walls! I keep on looking but I keep on coming back to the A3's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Yup I'm with you concerning A1's plus I don't like the look of bookshelves.
    Sadly I can't push the walls! I keep on looking but I keep on coming back to the A3's...
    Catching up. Where are you at with your decision to go with Essence? IMO, without listening, you canít go wrong. And in time, you will have the ability to upgrade your speakers. Perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Catching up. Where are you at with your decision to go with Essence? IMO, without listening, you canít go wrong. And in time, you will have the ability to upgrade your speakers. Perfect
    Ah, my bad. I just realized you bought it/them. For some reason thought you were still auditioning.
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Ah, my bad. I just realized you bought it/them. For some reason thought you were still auditioning.
    No I havenít bought anything then
    Iím pretty close to pulling the trigger. Most likely next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    No I havenít bought anything then
    Iím pretty close to pulling the trigger. Most likely next week
    Ah, OK. Do it. And enjoy. You will not regret it. Years of musical pleasure awaits.
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    Sorry if I missed it, assuming you will stream digital at least for some music, what DAC will you go with?
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Thank you I will keep updated!

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Yes I want a simple streaming system. Thinking about using the new aurender N20 as a source and going for the Zena DAC module of the preamp for simplicity reasons.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Yes I want a simple streaming system. Thinking about using the new aurender N20 as a source and going for the Zena DAC module of the preamp for simplicity reasons.
    I think a great combination. I have not tried a Gryphon DAC but there are many on this forum who have and from what I can gather they all love them.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    I think a great combination. I have not tried a Gryphon DAC but there are many on this forum who have and from what I can gather they all love them.
    Just to put an idea out there for you to consider. Not sure of your budget or how this stacks up cost-wise against your idea. Maybe an all in one Lumin X1? Couldnít get more simpler, and from previous experience with Lumin you will get quality sound and amazing after sales service (especially with Peter on this forum). Just an idea.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    I agree with you. I like bass but the dealer keeps steering me away from it. I wanted the A3's or 5's and he was pushing for A1 now S1.
    Strange, IMO. Does your dealer have A5 experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Strange, IMO. Does your dealer have A5 experience?
    Agree. Makes zero sense
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    Essence with the A5s is perfect IMO. Sometimes I wish I had gone down that path and saved a lot of money
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    My reasoning for the gryphon DAC is that it can be considered an economic solution and it doesnít prevent me from trying other DACS in the future.
    Another idea is that it will also reinforce the gryphon house sound used in combination.
    The next step up would be going the MSB route which would cost a lot more.
    For a streamer DAC I had also thought of the DCS bartok but I canít listen to it.
    As of lumin, I was also thinking about the X1. I think itís about the same price as the aurender.
    I did an audition a few weeks ago between a lumin an auralic and an aurender and I couldnít listen to the lumin because of the highs. I donít recall which model it was. Iím sure the X1 is a great piece but maybe it needs careful pairing.

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    He has them in the shop. Keeps telling me they wonít work in my room

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Hi Alchemist,

    I'm considering a similar system as you, except to go with the A5's. Have you considered the MSB Discrete w/Powerbase? It would be less expensive than the Essence pre/DAC, possibly offer better sound, and possibly offer a better upgrade path. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to listen to any of the gear yet, just browsing on sites like this.
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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.
    The synergy of power supplies, circuitry and wiring are some of what makes the same brand pre amplifier match the amplifier, breaking this is possible, but best done by in home listening IMO assuming you can. You can always use an integrated amplifier, and add the streamer then your safe.

    Looking forward to hear what decision you made, and post photos. Best!


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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    The synergy of power supplies, circuitry and wiring are some of what makes the same brand pre amplifier match the amplifier, breaking this is possible, but best done by in home listening IMO assuming you can. You can always use an integrated amplifier, and add the streamer then your safe.

    Looking forward to hear what decision you made, and post photos. Best!


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    I'm with you on this - I will audition speakers again at the end of the week and I think I'm going to pull the trigger after that
    I'll keep updating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    My reasoning for the gryphon DAC is that it can be considered an economic solution and it doesnít prevent me from trying other DACS in the future.
    Another idea is that it will also reinforce the gryphon house sound used in combination.
    The next step up would be going the MSB route which would cost a lot more.
    For a streamer DAC I had also thought of the DCS bartok but I canít listen to it.
    As of lumin, I was also thinking about the X1. I think itís about the same price as the aurender.
    I did an audition a few weeks ago between a lumin an auralic and an aurender and I couldnít listen to the lumin because of the highs. I donít recall which model it was. Iím sure the X1 is a great piece but maybe it needs careful pairing.
    To me it sounds really strange that you couldn't listen to the Lumin X1 because of the highs.....having heard it myself on several occasions i do not recall it to be harsh or overly bright at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    To me it sounds really strange that you couldn't listen to the Lumin X1 because of the highs.....having heard it myself on several occasions i do not recall it to be harsh or overly bright at all.
    Hi FDPDK,

    I didn't say it was the X1 and I even said I didn't recall which model it was and I exercised a word of caution by saying maybe it needs careful pairing.
    The audition was lumin - soulution 330 + dac - magico a1
    Then we went from the lumin to auralic to aurender. I dont think it was the highest models of streamers for each.
    The highs on the lumin were not good at all with this combo.
    I will audition again later this week normally and I can let you know which one it was if you're interested.

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    _Alchemist_ its very kind of you to perform another listen , for me personally its not necessary as i have heard the Lumin X1 on several occasions and also had it on loan here in my own system. And i did find it very very good in all areas of performance.
    I still hope i can make it financially next year so i can get the Lumin X1 , as its on my top priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    _Alchemist_ its very kind of you to perform another listen , for me personally its not necessary as i have heard the Lumin X1 on several occasions and also had it on loan here in my own system. And i did find it very very good in all areas of performance.
    I still hope i can make it financially next year so i can get the Lumin X1 , as its on my top priority.
    I wish I could listen to it because it would be a very good candidate for my source - I like the fact you can go direct fiber into it. You eliminate a lot of network noise issues

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    I'm using a Lumin X1 with my Gryphon Diablo 300 and very happy with them, but I really want to check out the Essence pre/pro combo. Alchemist if you do get the all Gryphon package I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.

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    Re: Gryphon Essence amp & preamp

    Hi Jeff, if you're in HK I think Radar audio has them on demo.
    Regardless, I'm thinking maybe to go to Denmark for a couple of days to try and listen to this combo and some speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Jeff, if you're in HK I think Radar audio has them on demo.
    Regardless, I'm thinking maybe to go to Denmark for a couple of days to try and listen to this combo and some speakers.
    Just be aware that not many , if any dealer have the Essence in their shops.....so if we could be past this Covid 19 a journey combined with Hi-Fi is always interesting especially to another country.
    Flemming

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi BobK,

    I actually have and wanted to use this as streamer - roon endpoint /dac / pre and go directly into a power amp.
    I've heard different opinions about doing this. Some in favor, most saying that using a pre is better.
    I actually have listened to it feeding a soulution 330. We did A/B between the soulution dac and the msb and the msb was better. More dense.
    What I am actually thinking is that an essence pre + dac would work better in combo than with the msb direct into the power amp because they're designed to work together.
    However, I also guesstimate that the msb as dac + pre + amp would be better than previous if you fully load the discrete ie power base, usb, etc...
    I think a lot has to do with synergies and what components you intend to use...
    Another candidate for this is the DCS Bartok.
    I have studied the hi-end DAC marketplace extensively and I have two comments for you:

    (1) We both know the core input source to your system, esp if you mostly use Tidal and Qobuz hi-res streaming, is the most crucial choice of all. Everything downstream of that will never exceed what is fed into it no matter how expensive of good these components are

    (2) So choose your streaming device and DAC (maybe one unit) very carefully and research very closely. You'll be repaid a hundred times if you do. Others here may disagree, but IMO there are only two entities producing truly outstanding DACs and these are dCS and MSB. These are companies that are deep DAC specialists and it is a highly technically sophisticated area of audio technology and accordingly, companies that do DACs and much else almost always produce good or bad DAcs but never truly sonically outstanding DACs. I personally purchased a dCS Bartok (dCS entry-level unit) and my listening experience was and is absolutely transformed by that choice. I have never had such a magical and radical change in sonic enjoyment from one piece of equipment, ever, period. And every better component-wise you add downstream to that DAC just makes the whole better and better as the first source is so remarkable in its capabilities to deliver analogue output from digital beginnings. Read the most reputable reviews of dCS and MSB DACs and you will appreciate what these units can do. More importantly, listen to them pre-purchase if possible. Note how most truly hi-end manufacturers use dCS or MSB DACs in their demo rooms at shows - this is not a coincidence.

    Finally, there are audiophiles I know well and trust and who love and own big Gryphon gear and they would not and have not bought Gryphon DACs, they consider them good but not the best by far. They own mostly dCS units as it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    Just be aware that not many , if any dealer have the Essence in their shops.....so if we could be past this Covid 19 a journey combined with Hi-Fi is always interesting especially to another country.
    There is only one dealer in Denmark. Listened to the Essence combo there, and they sounded really good.

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    NebobDK , welcome to the Forum , and that was also what i was aware of that there might only be one dealer here which is sad. And i dont know why it is like that.
    What was the speakers ? and cables used ?
    What music was you listening to. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    NebobDK , welcome to the Forum , and that was also what i was aware of that there might only be one dealer here which is sad. And i dont know why it is like that.
    What was the speakers ? and cables used ?
    What music was you listening to. ?
    Cables were Gryphons Vanta and loudspeakers were Gryphon Mojo and YG Carmel. Source was some highend vinyl rig. We listened to blues, jazz, and classical (e.g. John Lanchberyís La Fille Mal Gardee and J.S. Ondara American Dream). I brought my own Luxman c-900u preamp, and there is no doubt that the Essence preamp is a MUCH better partner with the Essence power amp. That should not come as a big surprise, but I was still astounded by the difference in soundstage, smoothness and the way music flowed from the speakers when the Gryphons played together.
    I am very curious to audition the Essence siblings with my Vivid Audio speakers..

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    Thank you very much NebobDK
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