Received 2nd Covid shot today

[BlueFox]

Shadowfax, please take your lunatic fringe stupidity and nonsense to the other Covid thread.

[Mike]

Had some arm soreness on the second day, but feeling normal today. Well....normal for me.


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[Puma Cat]

COVID-19, yes/maybe but what about Covid 20, 21, 22 and all variants? You realize it means another injection (booster) for each or in batches. C19 can also mutate in ones body so the virus can walk right past what the mRNA injection is doing by only attacking a single spike protein where our bodies natural immune system does not look for specifics, it attacks anything and everything that does not belong if it is in proper working order.

Also, those injected can still get or have Covid, they will just be asymptomatic and spreaders unless it mutates. Are they being Retested for Cases? Or does the chart exclude them just because they took the injections?

Fact: defintion: "a thing that is known or proved to be true."

Facts:
f=ma
pv=nRT
H(t) | 𝛹(t)≻=iℎ𝜕/𝜕t𝛹(t)≻
COVID Vaccines WORK

The data is the data.

[mauidan]

[mauidan]

Happy Prince Kuhio Day.

[Lucidear]

Hey dan,
As far as #8 on your list:
So when a Bee is pollinating a plant he goes: watch out Mama here I co..?🤗

[mauidan]

Hey dan,
As far as #8 on your list:
So when a Bee is pollinating a plant he goes: watch out Mama here I co..?🤗

I'll have to circle back to you on that one.;-)

[Phishphan]

LSD is an amazing substance. If only the entire world did it a few times. Things would be much better.


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[no32]

LSD is an amazing substance. If only the entire world did it a few times. Things would be much better.


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My brother was treated with lsd ( in a hospital , as part of test group), the results were incredibly positive


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[BlueFox]

I don't believe that LSD has been approved for treating Covid. However, beer and 'medical' marijuana is effective for any issue from the Covid vaccination.

[no32]

I don't believe that LSD has been approved for treating Covid. However, beer and 'medical' marijuana is effective for any issue from the Covid vaccination.

It wasn’t for covid at all , it was for migraines, however deferent countries has deferent approach to tests medical treatment and tests


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[rbbert]

When my Dad got Covid, he contacted his GP and was set up with an Eli Lilly antibody treatment like Regeneron, same with my Mom. It was never offered, it seemed it had to be requested. Everyone I know that had antibody treatments, handled the virus without issue. FYI, after receiving antibody treatments, you are disqualified from the vaccines for 90 days. I assume its because of built up immunity and not a reaction between antibodies and vaccine.

Dave

No, it is because of a possible neutralizing of the vaccine (encoded for) protein by the MAb.

[rbbert]

Those numbers are worldwide. You compared them to US COVID deaths. Please don't try to make a point by distorting the facts.

In 2019 542 people in the US died from TB. In 1 year 560k people in the US died from COVID. The 2 diseases are not even close when it comes to transmissibility.

Your comparison of TB vs COVID has no relevance and I don't understand why that isn't completely obvious.

Although it was from TB research that the (reduced transmissibility) benefit of putting the mask on the patient rather than the health care provide was learned

[Phishphan]

It wasn’t for covid at all , it was for migraines, however deferent countries has deferent approach to tests medical treatment and tests


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LSD, psilocybin, MDMA - have all shown results in treating issues that have otherwise baffled modern medicine. MDMA was widely used in psycho-therapeutic therapy until it was banned, and some rogue doctors continued to use it after.

Psilocybin & MDMA have worked wonders with PTSD. LSD with depression.

I’ve taken all of the above many-many times and feel I’m better for it.

It’s a shame that so many wonderful chemicals, and natural substances (cannabis) have been demonized and vilified as something miscreants or weirdos take part in.


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[rbbert]

Ketamine and esketamine are now well accepted treatments for any number of conditions both common (depression) and uncommon (resistant status epilepticus). It’s true they were already Schedule III and therefore logistically easier to use and research than LSD (Schedule I); “microdose” LSD has had a little bit of poor-ish quality but promising research suggesting efficacy for depression and migraine.

[rbbert]

Happy Prince Kuhio Day.

Which could serve as a reminder of the “evils” of capitalism and US imperialism. It would be nice to think we as a nation may have progressed beyond that?

[BlueFox]

As an audiophile my hearing is important to me. Research is now showing that Covid might cause tinnitus (ringing in the ear). One more reason to get vaccinated. So far, no negative effects for me from the Pfizer vaccine.

Scientists reveal that tinnitus is possible COVID-19 symptom

[CPP]

As an audiophile my hearing is important to me. Research is now showing that Covid might cause tinnitus (ringing in the ear). One more reason to get vaccinated. So far, no negative effects for me from the Pfizer vaccine.

Scientists reveal that tinnitus is possible COVID-19 symptom

Heck I've had tinnitus since the late to early 80's. My 2nd dose was 3/17. NO additional; ringing, now if would change the freq to an even higher freq that would be ok with me.

[Mr Peabody]

Staples will laminate your Vac card for free. Technically, I believe it is called a CDC card.

Someone who has Tinnitus posted on an audio forum he tried CBD oil and had one of the best listening sessions in years. He said it didn't cure the Tinnitus but really helped with it while it was in affect.

[Puma Cat]

COVID-19, yes/maybe but what about Covid 20, 21, 22 and all variants? You realize it means another injection (booster) for each or in batches. C19 can also mutate in ones body so the virus can walk right past what the mRNA injection is doing by only attacking a single spike protein where our bodies natural immune system does not look for specifics, it attacks anything and everything that does not belong if it is in proper working order.

Also, those injected can still get or have Covid, they will just be asymptomatic and spreaders unless it mutates. Are they being Retested for Cases? Or does the chart exclude them just because they took the injections?

I'm not going to address your non-sequitur about immunology as this would involve a graduate course molecular immunology, but I'll speak to a couple points:

With respect to people vaccinated being asymptomatic spreaders, the answer is "no" for 99.5% of people vaccinated. If you read the NEJM journal article, it demonstrated with statistical rigor that the no. of people vaccinated that subsequently became infected was only 0.05%. If you're not infected, you can't be an asympomatic spreader.

I haven't seen any sequences that would define a new, genetically-curated SARS-CoV type from SPHERES* or the nor the Genomics UK consortium that would define a COVID-20, COVID-21 , yet. If you do, please forward as I am tracking the sequencing of new variants.

I fully expect there will be round of booster vaccinations that will become available later in 2021 comprised of a multivalent vaccine for the UK, SA, NY, and CA variants. If so, that will be great, as will it signifcantly curtail the spread of existing and origination of yet new variants. If so, I'll get that vaccine as well. The process is easy and fast.

This is virtually no different than the multivalent influenza vaccines that are administered yearly.

Bottom-line? Vaccines work. This is why you are not at risk for getting smallpox or polio. Those diseases have been effectively eradicated by vaccines.

*– CDC consortium for SARS-CoV-2 Sequencing for Public Health Emergency Response, Epidemiology and Surveillance

[Puma Cat]

As an audiophile my hearing is important to me. Research is now showing that Covid might cause tinnitus (ringing in the ear). One more reason to get vaccinated. So far, no negative effects for me from the Pfizer vaccine.

Scientists reveal that tinnitus is possible COVID-19 symptom

Let's be sure we don't equate correlation with causation. If one observes that the no. of umbrella sales spikes sharply one day in NYC, and we also see a concomitant increase in auto accidents in NYC on that day, while the two observations can be closely correlated, this does not mean that umbrellas caused auto accidents. Correlation does not explain that the reason that both spiked sharply was because it rained that day in NYC.

[mauidan]

Which could serve as a reminder of the “evils” of capitalism and US imperialism. It would be nice to think we as a nation may have progressed beyond that?

[Elberoth]

Wow, lucky you guys. Europe is sooo behind. My partents are 67 and 65, and only father got his first shot last week. My mother has her first in 2 weeks. I'm 45, so mine is probably like 3-6 months away.

Meanwhile, we got 35k cases today in Poland. With 10x less population than the US. So imagine having 350k cases in the US today. They told us we are expected to see the #s in the high 50s in the coming 2 weeks. Scary #s.

Stay safe everyone.

[Mike Lavigne]

i'm 69 and got my first shot yesterday, my second one is scheduled for April 15th. i had an appointment for last week, but work needs caused me to miss it. getting an appointment, assuming you qualify, is mostly just a matter of waiting on the phone. lots of places to get it done.

my wife (who is older than me) is waiting to see if i die before she gets her shot.

[CPP]

Florida will lower the age for coronavirus vaccination to 40 on Monday, then to all residents 18 and older a week later.

Florida is expected to see its population increase by an average of more than 303,000 residents a year and is forecast to have 23.1 million people in April 2025,

[kzhtoo]

I'm not going to address your non-sequitur about immunology as this would involve a graduate course molecular immunology, but I'll speak to a couple points:

With respect to people vaccinated being asymptomatic spreaders, the answer is "no" for 99.5% of people vaccinated. If you read the NEJM journal article, it demonstrated with statistical rigor that the no. of people vaccinated that subsequently became infected was only 0.05%. If you're not infected, you can't be an asympomatic spreader.

I haven't seen any sequences that would define a new, genetically-curated SARS-CoV type from SPHERES* or the nor the Genomics UK consortium that would define a COVID-20, COVID-21 , yet. If you do, please forward as I am tracking the sequencing of new variants.

I fully expect there will be round of booster vaccinations that will become available later in 2021 comprised of a multivalent vaccine for the UK, SA, NY, and CA variants. If so, that will be great, as will it signifcantly curtail the spread of existing and origination of yet new variants. If so, I'll get that vaccine as well. The process is easy and fast.

This is virtually no different than the multivalent influenza vaccines that are administered yearly.

Bottom-line? Vaccines work. This is why you are not at risk for getting smallpox or polio. Those diseases have been effectively eradicated by vaccines.

*– CDC consortium for SARS-CoV-2 Sequencing for Public Health Emergency Response, Epidemiology and Surveillance

[rbbert]

Let's be sure we don't equate correlation with causation. If one observes that the no. of umbrella sales spikes sharply one day in NYC, and we also see a concomitant increase in auto accidents in NYC on that day, while the two observations can be closely correlated, this does not mean that umbrellas caused auto accidents. Correlation does not explain that the reason that both spiked sharply was because it rained that day in NYC.

just to be clear, the possible tinnitus correlation is with the disease, not the vaccination. As Bud noted, it might be an incentive for a fence-sitting audiophile to take the plunge (I love mixing metaphors)

[rbbert]

I'm not going to address your non-sequitur about immunology as this would involve a graduate course molecular immunology, but I'll speak to a couple points:

With respect to people vaccinated being asymptomatic spreaders, the answer is "no" for 99.5% of people vaccinated. If you read the NEJM journal article, it demonstrated with statistical rigor that the no. of people vaccinated that subsequently became infected was only 0.05%. If you're not infected, you can't be an asympomatic spreader.

I haven't seen any sequences that would define a new, genetically-curated SARS-CoV type from SPHERES* or the nor the Genomics UK consortium that would define a COVID-20, COVID-21 , yet. If you do, please forward as I am tracking the sequencing of new variants.

I fully expect there will be round of booster vaccinations that will become available later in 2021 comprised of a multivalent vaccine for the UK, SA, NY, and CA variants. If so, that will be great, as will it signifcantly curtail the spread of existing and origination of yet new variants. If so, I'll get that vaccine as well. The process is easy and fast.

This is virtually no different than the multivalent influenza vaccines that are administered yearly.

Bottom-line? Vaccines work. This is why you are not at risk for getting smallpox or polio. Those diseases have been effectively eradicated by vaccines.

*– CDC consortium for SARS-CoV-2 Sequencing for Public Health Emergency Response, Epidemiology and Surveillance

Two points worth noting here. First is that the currently available seasonal influenza vaccines are nowhere near as effective as the COVID vaccines: their efficacy across all age groups is never better than 60-70%, for people over 50 usually is around 20-25%, and typically about 15% (or less) for those over 65 (these are CDC estimates, reviewable by year on its website). Second is that although the incidence of COVID infection in fully vaccinated individuals (in the UT study) was only 0.05%, the incidence in the unvaccinated was only 2.6%. So yes, an impressive 50-fold reduction, but this translates to about a 2% rate of vaccine "failure" (i.e., preventing infection), or a 2% rate of possible infection and spread from a fully vaccinated person; this is consistent with the clinical trials for both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines conducted prior to the EUA. NB: this is only of relevance if there is a large pool of unvaccinated, susceptible people to whom it might be spread; if the pool of susceptibles is small enough, random individuals might get infected and sick, but there will not be an epidemic.

Also, not all vaccines work well; as noted, flu vaccines are relatively poor performers, as is the original shingles vaccine (Zostrix) and the older, no longer available pertussis vaccine.

[mauidan]

I'm sure Bud won't like this,and I can get any of the vaccines, but I'm going to wait.

Vaccine Information – America's Frontline Doctors

[NorthStar]

Shots in little arms: COVID-19 vaccine testing turns to kids

[kzhtoo]

Two points worth noting here. First is that the currently available seasonal influenza vaccines are nowhere near as effective as the COVID vaccines: their efficacy across all age groups is never better than 60-70%, for people over 50 usually is around 20-25%, and typically about 15% (or less) for those over 65 (these are CDC estimates, reviewable by year on its website). Second is that although the incidence of COVID infection in fully vaccinated individuals (in the UT study) was only 0.05%, the incidence in the unvaccinated was only 2.6%. So yes, an impressive 50-fold reduction, but this translates to about a 2% rate of vaccine "failure" (i.e., preventing infection), or a 2% rate of possible infection and spread from a fully vaccinated person; this is consistent with the clinical trials for both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines conducted prior to the EUA. NB: this is only of relevance if there is a large pool of unvaccinated, susceptible people to whom it might be spread; if the pool of susceptibles is small enough, random individuals might get infected and sick, but there will not be an epidemic.

Also, not all vaccines work well; as noted, flu vaccines are relatively poor performers, as is the original shingles vaccine (Zostrix) and the older, no longer available pertussis vaccine.

One other relevant point is although flu vaccine efficacy is 60-70%, it could vastly reduce the severity of the flu if you do catch it. My wife and I both got the flu shot last year, but she fell sick with flu like symptoms just a few weeks ago. She took a rapid covid test right away and it came back negative. So we chalked it off as flu and she somehow got better within one day, which really surprised me.

[rbbert]

Not necessarily influenza. There are several commonly circulating virus families which can cause flu-like symptoms, that typically last less long than the 7-10 days of an influenza infection. And vaccine efficacy is 60-70% only among 18-34 year olds; overall, it’s closer to 30-40%, and in some years under 20%.

[rbbert]

I'm sure Bud won't like this,and I can get any of the vaccines, but I'm going to wait.

Vaccine Information – America's Frontline Doctors

Remember that this is a group of doctors whose primary purpose is to protect their financial security. An apparent secondary goal is simply to be anti-establishment; after years of criticizing use of antibiotics for purposes with solid evidentiary support, the group strongly supported widespread use of hydroxychloroquine for all patients sick from COVID19. One could draw the conclusion that they support any medical practice which has no evidence for effectiveness, and oppose those with good evidentiary support.

[TheOctopus]

Might want to read the conclusions section to clearly understand your role as the vaccine recipient and so there are no disillusions. http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/...ew%20final.pdf

[Mike]

How about this: if you’re not getting vaccinated, please stay out of the thread. Those who have made this decision to get vaccinated can share their stories.



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[Rnrmf]

Might want to read the conclusions section to clearly understand your role as the vaccine recipient and so there are no disillusions. http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/...ew%20final.pdf

From that report, so as to clarify the conclusion that 5-10% people experienced "serious" side effects, "Serious events, defined as events that temporarily interfered with subjects’ everyday activities, were reported by approximately 5 to 10 percent of study subjects. These too resolved within one or two days."

[stereogeek]

My wife and I went to the FEMA site in Tampa which is on Waters Avenue. They give you a choice of the Pfizer or J&J. We both chose the J&J for multiple reasons, it's a personal choice so I will leave it at that. The site is run by the military and it was organized, fast and they double and triple checked our ID's and our choice of vaccines. We were in and out in about 40 minutes which included a 15 minute waiting period after we received our shots. We had zero side effects. BTW, You just drive in to the FEMA sites as there are no reservations required. Thx for reading.

[mauidan]

My wife and I went to the FEMA site in Tampa which is on Waters Avenue. They give you a choice of the Pfizer or J&J. We both chose the J&J for multiple reasons, it's a personal choice so I will leave it at that. The site is run by the military and it was organized, fast and they double and triple checked our ID's and our choice of vaccines. We were in and out in about 40 minutes which included a 15 minute waiting period after we received our shots. We had zero side effects. BTW, You just drive in to the FEMA sites as there are no reservations required. Thx for reading.

Florida has done a great job with the vaccines. Wish we had Governor like DeSantis here in HI.

Here's our results to Date:

Maui County continues to have the smallest percentage of its population vaccinated compared to other counties in the state. Maui’s first dose rate of 24.2 percent is well behind Kauaʻi, which leads the state at 35.0 percent, 24.6 percent on Hawaiʻi Island and 24.2 percent on Oʻahu. For second doses, Kauaʻi is at 21.2 percent followed by Oʻahu at 14.4 percent, Hawaiʻi Island at 13.9 percent and Maui at 11.0 percent.

[RDSChicago]

Wish it was that easy in Illinois!

[NorthStar]

I'm sure Bud won't like this,and I can get any of the vaccines, but I'm going to wait.

Vaccine Information – America's Frontline Doctors

There's something wrong with the info coming out of this group and its founder.
I wouldn't rely anything remotely close with my life and my family's life and my friends there.
That's my honest opinion.

I'll take the first vaccine coming my way, next month for me where I live for my age group.

[NorthStar]

Remember that this is a group of doctors whose primary purpose is to protect their financial security. An apparent secondary goal is simply to be anti-establishment; after years of criticizing use of antibiotics for purposes with solid evidentiary support, the group strongly supported widespread use of hydroxychloroquine for all patients sick from COVID19. One could draw the conclusion that they support any medical practice which has no evidence for effectiveness, and oppose those with good evidentiary support.

[mauidan]

There's something wrong with the info coming out of this group and its founder.
I wouldn't rely anything remotely close with my life and my family's life and my friends there.
That's my honest opinion.

I'll take the first vaccine coming my way, next month for me where I live for my age group.

No pharmaceutical product has ever been without risks. Therefore, it should be up to each individual how they want to take care of their health.

[stereogeek]

Florida has done a great job with the vaccines. Wish we had Governor like DeSantis here in HI.

Here's our results to Date:

Maui County continues to have the smallest percentage of its population vaccinated compared to other counties in the state. Maui’s first dose rate of 24.2 percent is well behind Kauaʻi, which leads the state at 35.0 percent, 24.6 percent on Hawaiʻi Island and 24.2 percent on Oʻahu. For second doses, Kauaʻi is at 21.2 percent followed by Oʻahu at 14.4 percent, Hawaiʻi Island at 13.9 percent and Maui at 11.0 percent.

Governor DeSantis was against FEMA coming into Florida and helping administer the vaccine. His donors and certain white/rich zipcodes got the vaccine first. Just sayin'.

[NorthStar]

No pharmaceutical product has ever been without risks. Therefore, it should be up to each individual how they want to take care of their health.

Living is a risk.

It's up to all of us to take care of each other. Getting vaccinated in the world's situation we live in now is the right care. My opinion of course.

[mauidan]

Governor DeSantis was against FEMA coming into Florida and helping administer the vaccine. His donors and certain white/rich zipcodes got the vaccine first. Just sayin'.

I was just trying to pay your State a compliment, but I’d still take DeSantis over Ige.

Just last week, they had to throw away 1,386 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, because someone in Ige’s state run healthcare system left the freezer door open.

[BlueFox]

Good Covid news today in California. Today's paper (3/27/21) has an article stating that new Covid patients in CA hospitals are below when state first started recording cases a year ago. Hopefully it will stay low, and get even better, as more people are vaccinated.

California's COVID hospitalizations hit new low, but Michigan raises alarm

[Pearce Harrison]

Good Covid news today in California. Today's paper (3/27/21) has an article stating that new Covid patients in CA hospitals are below when state first started recording cases a year ago. Hopefully it will stay low, and get even better, as more people are vaccinated.

California's COVID hospitalizations hit new low, but Michigan raises alarm

I think Gov. Newsom has done a great job in California. He was the first to shut down the state thereby saving countless lives. He has brought in good people to oversee the shut downs and the roll out of the vaccines. For his troubles, he will undoubtedly be re-called--

[stereogeek]

My office manager called this morning and told me our accountant tested positive for Covid. Her friend tested positive so she took the test Friday evening and received her results this morning. Now we are scrambling trying to get everyone (there are 12 of us) tested today and/or tomorrow so we can man our jobs and meet our deadlines. My office and field work is completely shut down until each employee can produce a negative test. Mine is at 11:30am today at the CVS in Springhill. This is the second time this has happened to us as some don't believe in masks and social distancing. Our office has a strict mask protocol along with a daily cleaning and wiping down routine so hopefully it didn't go any further. As mentioned before I received the vaccine 2 weeks ago, it takes a month to be at full strength. Be careful out there.

[kzhtoo]

My office manager called this morning and told me our accountant tested positive for Covid. Her friend tested positive so she took the test Friday evening and received her results this morning. Now we are scrambling trying to get everyone (there are 12 of us) tested today and/or tomorrow so we can man our jobs and meet our deadlines. My office and field work is completely shut down until each employee can produce a negative test. Mine is at 11:30am today at the CVS in Springhill. This is the second time this has happened to us as some don't believe in masks and social distancing. Our office has a strict mask protocol along with a daily cleaning and wiping down routine so hopefully it didn't go any further. As mentioned before I received the vaccine 2 weeks ago, it takes a month to be at full strength. Be careful out there.

Not believing in masks isn’t like not believing in god or not believing in marriage. It’s like saying I don’t believe in drinking water. It takes a special kind of lunacy and idiocy.

[Mike]

Not believing in masks isn’t like not believing in god or not believing in marriage. It’s like saying I don’t believe in drinking water. It takes a special kind of lunacy and idiocy.

I put a mask in my back pocket in the morning and go about my day. No big deal.