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    Beware of smart TVs

    Just got a call from my father who told me an interesting story that transpired this afternoon. He wanted to watch Amazon Prime on his Chinese built TCL tv set only to find an error loading the Amazon app and a phone number to call. He googled the phone number and it seemed to be a legit number for Amazon assistance. He called the number on the screen and was greeted by an individual with a heavy Indian accent...

    He was told his Amazon Prime account had over $4500 of fraudulent charges and the man needed his account password to try to resolve everything. Of course my father was already checking his Amazon account for purchases/orders and did not see anything out of the ordinary. When my father asked why it is not visible on his account, the man proceeded to tell him that the charges will appear later....

    Make a long story short, my father told "Mr.Smith" as he introduced himself to go @%#@ himself and hung up.


    I was a bit perplexed by this story since my father mentioned the TV set has a built in ROKU OS and that is how he accesses the Amazon Prime Video. Hmmm...

    Well, I guess anything is possible and anything connected to the internet is vulnerable.


    This is what my search has yielded so far.

    Beware of "smart TVs connected to the internet".

    Major security flaw found in TCL Android TV’s, tech researchers say
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    I donít trust any of that stuff. I think itís impossible to find a tv now without any ďsmartĒ capabilities. I donít even want the Echo and google assistant things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I donít trust any of that stuff. I think itís impossible to find a tv now without any ďsmartĒ capabilities. I donít even want the Echo and google assistant things.
    So I sent my father the link about how this was possible with the article above. He mentioned to me that the article only mentions TCL sets "without" the ROKU built in.... Yes the article does say that but I had to gently remind him that we "obviously" would not be having this conversation if it wasn't possible for the ROKU sets to be affected as well.... Gotta be patient with the elderly...

    He went on to add more details how Mr.Smith also asked him to gain access to his desktop computer from a "remote" program to figure out what is going on...
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    I agree with Serge and Joe on "Smart TVs".

    #1 Smart TVs are simply FILLED with corporate spyware. This spyware can be exploited by hackers or state level actors. They are capable of listening and watching anything that you say or do. This spyware CANNOT be turned off. Even if there is a setting on the device to preserve "privacy", this is simply treated as a "suggestion". Unless you have a network analyzer, you have NO idea what these devices are actually up to.

    #2 If you are a person who is concerned about the levels of RF radiation that you are exposed to (this means cell phone RF, bluetooth RF, WiFi RF and zigbees), you will NOT be happy with modern day smart TVs. I have tried multiple smart TVs from the major brands and NONE of them allowed me to turn the built-in WiFi off. With my last smart TV I had to actually open the device and physically disconnect the wifi transmitter. Oh yes, you can elect to connect the TV with a hardwired etherent. But the WiFi still continues to radiate even though it is not in use. And the level of RF radation is equivalent to that of a WiFi router - which means it is powerful. This is not conjecture. I have measured the devices with RF analyzers.

    Joe is correct. I have been unable to find any new TVs that are NOT smart.

    My solution is to buy a large screen computer monitor that has none of these issues. Get them while you can, before they get smart also. It is coming. I have a 46" monitor that is connected to a Mac mini that allows ME to determine what I want installed and what, if any, RF radation I want to turn on.
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    It is not that I question any of the concerns Serge, Joe and Caelin have noted, I will continue to take normal precautions and enjoy access to the various programming options available to us at this time. Without access to these services on our TV's this past year would have been unbearable.
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    Just because Iím paranoid, doesnít mean no one is out to get me.
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    I prefer the external/physical ROKU and Apple TV boxes myself. How to Protect Your Roku from Being Hacked | Cord Cutters News
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    I prefer the external/physical ROKU and Apple TV boxes myself. How to Protect Your Roku from Being Hacked | Cord Cutters News
    Although I have most of the same options via the Smart TV's we do have Amazon Firestick's on all of out sets. Whether it is safer, I do know the Firestick's make it easier to consolidate our options.
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    We need smarter TVs, with anti-scammer system protection.
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    You think your phone is any different than the TVs? Worse
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    Think your PC is any worse than your phone ,, worse ...!!

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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    It is not that I question any of the concerns Serge, Joe and Caelin have noted, I will continue to take normal precautions and enjoy access to the various programming options available to us at this time. Without access to these services on our TV's this past year would have been unbearable.
    I have the same media choices you do. YouTube, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu etc.
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    You cannot turn back the clock. We live in a world that it is more and more intertwined with technology.

    You just have to do your research and be smart about what technology you choose to adopt.

    Afraid of smart TVs? Then buy a dumb projector and get an Apple TV box to pair it with. Or buy the Smart TV and donít connect the smart features (just connect a video streamer to it, but choose wisely).

    Donít want Amazon to hear all that you say? Then limit the number of Echo devices to certain areas in your home or just donít use it.

    I wonder how many of the folks complaining about smart TVs use Facebook or other similar social media. Those companies know more about you already that any smart TV will ever know!

    And in case that you are concerned about radiation and all that stuff, you better pay attention to the food that you are eating everyday! You can do a lot more damage to your body with the food that you eat than just using a mobile phone.

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    Fear? False assumptions and straw men.

    Knowledge is different than emotional response.

    We all get to choose how much or little we wish to participate in the surveillance state. But you certainly canít choose if you donít even know what you donít know. If you are unconcerned or indifferent then just ignore the simple information that may interest someone else.

    I do agree about FaceBook and LinkedIn and others. I donít use them. Just my personal choice. I donít have WiFi in my home or any other device that radiates RF including AppleTV, printers and a whole host of modern ďInternet of ThingsĒ devices. And my home is RF shielded from cell towers and microwave towers and StarLink for that matter. And my phone is a de-googled phone.

    I donít have the time nor patience to educate you about the issues. For those that are interested I recommend ďThe BraxmanĒ on YT.

    Extreme? Perhaps. My choice. You are free to make your own of course.
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    For the 2021 TVs from LG, Sony & Samsung...

    1) Is it possible to shut-off all "smart features" to make the "dumb" and then use an external device (AppleTV or Roku or Amazon Firestick)?

    2) Is it possible to shut-off all Wifi (or do Calen's comments above apply to 2021 models, so not possible to shut-off or disable)?

    3) Among there three brands, is one considered to have better privacy, or are they all basically the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Fear? False assumptions and straw men.

    Knowledge is different than emotional response.

    We all get to choose how much or little we wish to participate in the surveillance state. But you certainly canít choose if you donít even know what you donít know. If you are unconcerned or indifferent then just ignore the simple information that may interest someone else.

    I do agree about FaceBook and LinkedIn and others. I donít use them. Just my personal choice. I donít have WiFi in my home or any other device that radiates RF including AppleTV, printers and a whole host of modern ďInternet of ThingsĒ devices. And my home is RF shielded from cell towers and microwave towers and StarLink for that matter. And my phone is a de-googled phone.

    I donít have the time nor patience to educate you about the issues. For those that are interested I recommend ďThe BraxmanĒ on YT.

    Extreme? Perhaps. My choice. You are free to make your own of course.
    No need to educate me either about those issues; I have read about them and have reached my own conclusions, thank you.

    No wifi, no printers, no Apple TV, no internet of things? Extreme? Yes, I do think so, but I respect that. We all are free to make choices.

    You did not mention what you eat, but it is fine if you say you eat a lot of junk food. I also respect that. My food choices may be considered extreme by some, but then again we all are free to make choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke97 View Post
    For the 2021 TVs from LG, Sony & Samsung...

    1) Is it possible to shut-off all "smart features" to make the "dumb" and then use an external device (AppleTV or Roku or Amazon Firestick)?

    2) Is it possible to shut-off all Wifi (or do Calen's comments above apply to 2021 models, so not possible to shut-off or disable)?

    3) Among there three brands, is one considered to have better privacy, or are they all basically the same?

    Thanks,

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    A projector is a ďdumbĒ display.
    If you connect an Apple TV or similar device to your TV via HDMI and choose that HDMI input in your TV, you do not need to use the ďsmartĒ features of your TV. Your TV becomes nothing more than a dumb display. The Apple TV or similar is the smart device.

    You can connect the AppleTV via Ethernet and avoid wifi if you want to. Roku has different models; not all of them offer Ethernet connection. It is possible to connect Amazon Fire Stick to Ethernet; all you need is an adapter.

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    FBI issued a warning on Smart TVs that they can "watch" and "listen" on you...


    FBI issues warning on smart TV security - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    FBI issued a warning on Smart TVs that they can "watch" and "listen" on you...


    FBI issues warning on smart TV security - YouTube
    None of these devices are hack-proof. However folks always need to take some precautions like changing the default password on these devices and avoid using easy to guess passwords. Common sense goes a long way.

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    Why would the FBI watch and listen to us, most boring job in the world.
    Is this a tactic of impregnated fear in good honest citizens watching National Geographic on their smart TVs?

    We need smarter phones, with anti-scam system protection.

    If the world keeps doing what it's doing it will take few billion years before we can watch TV safely. I'm eating my vegetables and fruits every day, from the local farmers market.
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
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    I do not yet have a Smartphone aside from an iPhone from work for 2 factor authentication of two Pharma customer databases and systems and I run VPNs on my PCs and keep a pretty low footprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post

    * Do you guys do banking online or off?
    We do nothing personal on-line aside from a few mail orders here and there. Everything else is done in Paper and by snail mail, No Email.

    So I may be rare, nothing on-line and no smartphone. But, when the power goes out and I need proof of something, it's all right here in filing cabinets and not on line.

    Oh, and a Roof Antenna for the very little TV I watch, no Cable/Sat TV. My FIOS is Internet and Phone only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    I have the same media choices you do. YouTube, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu etc.
    I also have DirectV which allows me to access my local PBS on the Firestick. Also,not many ~80" monitors.
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    I never use Alexa voice recognition on any TV (device). That's the first thing I turn off. Granted I don't watch tons of TV and much of what I watch is on the bedroom system which has a 92 inch screen (which folds into the ceiling) and a projector with a Firestick (used a Roku box up until a couple of years back) and it is most often Netflix and sometimes regular over the air TV or Amazon Prime. Amazon rolled out an update for FireStick late in 2018 that enabled data monitoring by default and allowed the company to collect user data related to app usage and device usage. Make sure that the privacy settings have things turned off (on any device). It's just the nature of the current state of the world whether it is spam callers, spam texters, etc.
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    It is all part of the Elite plans folks........
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    in addition to taking all prudent measures to ensure digital security and data privacy, i also wear a tin foil hat while watching TV ... belt and suspenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    in addition to taking all prudent measures to ensure digital security and data privacy, i also wear a tin foil hat while watching TV ... belt and suspenders.

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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    The last TV I bought was a Samsung somethingorother and extremely difficult to setup without ísmartí features. It took me 45 minutes to do it. Then WiFi was still active per my RF field strength meter so I had to go in and disconnect it. Fortunately it was on a readily identifiable pwb.

    I gave the TV a 1 star review because of all the spyware on it. Now itís a dumb TV and works just fine.

    It was inexpensive and I bet Samsung was counting on selling all my data to a shadowy third party as part of the overall profitability.
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    Re: Beware of smart TVs

    Quote Originally Posted by W9TR View Post
    The last TV I bought was a Samsung somethingorother and extremely difficult to setup without ísmartí features. It took me 45 minutes to do it. Then WiFi was still active per my RF field strength meter so I had to go in and disconnect it. Fortunately it was on a readily identifiable pwb.

    I gave the TV a 1 star review because of all the spyware on it. Now itís a dumb TV and works just fine.

    It was inexpensive and I bet Samsung was counting on selling all my data to a shadowy third party as part of the overall profitability.
    I should be surprised but somehow Iím not.
    By the way, Apple just released their new iOS that has some privacy barriers built-in. They must be good since Facebook is fuming about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I should be surprised but somehow Iím not.
    By the way, Apple just released their new iOS that has some privacy barriers built-in. They must be good since Facebook is fuming about it.
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