Why the Cloak and Dagger?

My friend bought a set of Tannoy nearly a year or so ago. I forget the model. They are really top build quality.

It would be interesting to know why the change in distributorship.

I agree it shouldn't be a big deal just to say where your product is built. Maybe parts come from China and construction in UK, could be all is in China or some other country. Who knows unless they say.

My impression was you may have tried too hard to make the issue. You said something to the effect that others like you were waiting to buy. Could you back that up if challenged?
 
Mr Peabody said:
My friend bought a set of Tannoy nearly a year or so ago. I forget the model. They are really top build quality.

It would be interesting to know why the change in distributorship.

I agree it shouldn't be a big deal just to say where your product is built. Maybe parts come from China and construction in UK, could be all is in China or some other country. Who knows unless they say.

My impression was you may have tried too hard to make the issue. You said something to the effect that others like you were waiting to buy. Could you back that up if challenged?
Click to expand...

Thanks for watching.

I agree it would be very interesting to know after all these years why Tannoy decided to move. Especially to WHOM they did - that is a massive shocker. That really has people "in the know" whispering.
 
I just watched the video. Very interesting. But the video comments from former VP’s at Tannoy and new distributor are very revealing.

I guess KD is no longer the distributor if I’m reading this correct? No love lost for me with him I’ll tell you that much. I could tell you stories. Was this a former UA employee who started a new company and took the line? Wowser. That’s like a soap opera! Kharma is a bitch.

Anyway, it seems like you’ve hit on quite the story by doing some good research. I’ll have to find the original documents you reference. I was honestly unaware of the entire situation.

I wonder what is going to happen to all that inventory here in the US?

When I was a Tannoy dealer, it was handled by a rep firm out of Florida. I forget their name. I enjoyed my Canterbury GR’s and I loved Paul’s Westies. But haven’t really kept up with the brand since finding Fyne at HiFi Deluxe in Munich a few years back (long before they became a known brand here in the US).


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
 
Mike said:
I just watched the video. Very interesting. But the video comments from former VP’s at Tannoy and new distributor are very revealing.

I guess KD is no longer the distributor if I’m reading this correct? No love lost for me with him I’ll tell you that much. I could tell you stories. Was this a former UA employee who started a new company and took the line? Wowser. That’s like a soap opera! Kharma is a bitch.

Anyway, it seems like you’ve hit on quite the story by doing some good research. I’ll have to find the original documents you reference. I was honestly unaware of the entire situation.

I wonder what is going to happen to all that inventory here in the US?

When I was a Tannoy dealer, it was handled by a rep firm out of Florida. I forget their name. I enjoyed my Canterbury GR’s and I loved Paul’s Westies. But haven’t really kept up with the brand since finding Fyne at HiFi Deluxe in Munich a few years back (long before they became a known brand here in the US).


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
Click to expand...


Thank Mike.

VERY interesting that although others "in the know" have reached out, not a single one has yet to answer the very simple, basic question.

I also uncovered that the biggest Tannoy dealer in the US has on his web site "Skillfully handcrafted in the U.K.," and "Designed and manufactured in the U.K." yet no one - not even former employees of Tannoy - can seem to tell us where. Although they did share a factory in China.

I would think simply stating where this mythical manufacture and production plant is in the UK after all these years would be a very simple thing to do.
 
Shadowfax said:
Fyne Audio is the New Tannoy
Click to expand...

For sure.

Am simply asking for transparency on the claims made by Tannoy and the distributors. BBC and other news outlets reported on the closing of the factory. I'm simply enquiring.

I would think if a product is in fact still manufactured in the UK, they would be proud to state that unequivocally and answer the BBC report I quoted as the plant having been closed. It's a very simple question that has a very simple yes or no answer.
 
From What Hi-Fi Magazine:


"The news that Tannoy’s parent company, Music Group, plans to close the company’s factory in Coatbridge, Scotland, and move production to a new facility in Zhongshan, China, is the latest blow to hi-fi manufacturing in the UK. 70 employees are likely to lose their jobs and marketing activities will be moved to Music Group’s Innovation Centre in Manchester."

There seems to be a lack of consistency in what is being stated.


Screenshot 2023-12-05 at 5.04.55 PM.png
 
MichaelsMinute said:
For sure.

Am simply asking for transparency on the claims made by Tannoy and the distributors. BBC and other news outlets reported on the closing of the factory. I'm simply enquiring.

I would think if a product is in fact still manufactured in the UK, they would be proud to state that unequivocally and answer the BBC report I quoted as the plant having been closed. It's a very simple question that has a very simple yes or no answer.
Click to expand...

Personally, I don't understand what "the problem" is here.

Where a loudspeaker, amp, premp, DAC, whatever, is made has virtually no bearing, influence, effect, etc. whatsoever, on how it performs or sounds. The only key things that drives functionality and the quality of an audo product is...HOW it is designed, manufactured, and the quality of parts and materials it is made from.

If folks think that an audio product manufactured in the UK is than "better" somewhere else, well, as a 6S Master Black Belt, my request would be: "Show me the data".

Here's the bottom line: if you build two "units" of specific product, say a loudspeaker, one in the UK, and one in Asia, with the same exact design, the same exact parts, the same exact manufacturing process capability (aka Cp/Cpk), assembly tolerances, manufacturing operator expertise, and inspected with the same exact QC/QA procedures, they will sound...IDENTICAL.

So...what I'd like to see, then, is the manufacturing process Cp/Cpk data and control charts that supports with statistically valid data that products manufactured to the specifications I've described above in different geographical regions are "different" with respect to their quality.

The bottom lne is: It doesn't matter WHERE these products are made, only HOW.

Physics works the same way everywhere.

It is not bound by geographical constraints.
 
Puma Cat said:
Personally, I don't understand what "the problem" is here.

Where a loudspeaker, amp, premp, DAC, whatever, is made has virtually no bearing, influence, effect, etc. whatsoever, on how it performs or sounds. The only key things that drives functionality and the quality of an audo product is...HOW it is designed, manufactured, and the quality of parts and materials it is made from.

If folks think that an audio product manufactured in the UK is than "better" somewhere else, well, as a 6S Master Black Belt, my request would be: "Show me the data".

Here's the bottom line: if you build two "units" of specific product, say a loudspeaker, one in the UK, and one in Asia, with the same exact design, the same exact parts, the same exact manufacturing process capability (aka Cp/Cpk), assembly tolerances, manufacturing operator expertise, and inspected with the same exact QC/QA procedures, they will sound...IDENTICAL.

So...what I'd like to see, then, is the manufacturing process Cp/Cpk data and control charts that supports with statistically valid data that products manufactured to the specifications I've described above in different geographical regions are "different" with respect to their quality.

The bottom lne is: It doesn't matter WHERE these products are made, only HOW.

Physics works the same way everywhere.

It is not bound by geographical constraints.
Click to expand...

It may be an Ethical decision. Not everyone wants to contribute to China's economy if they don't have to.
 
Puma Cat said:
Personally, I don't understand what "the problem" is here.

Where a loudspeaker, amp, premp, DAC, whatever, is made has virtually no bearing, influence, effect, etc. whatsoever, on how it performs or sounds. The only key things that drives functionality and the quality of an audo product is...HOW it is designed, manufactured, and the quality of parts and materials it is made from.

If folks think that an audio product manufactured in the UK is than "better" somewhere else, well, as a 6S Master Black Belt, my request would be: "Show me the data".

Here's the bottom line: if you build two "units" of specific product, say a loudspeaker, one in the UK, and one in Asia, with the same exact design, the same exact parts, the same exact manufacturing process capability (aka Cp/Cpk), assembly tolerances, manufacturing operator expertise, and inspected with the same exact QC/QA procedures, they will sound...IDENTICAL.

So...what I'd like to see, then, is the manufacturing process Cp/Cpk data and control charts that supports with statistically valid data that products manufactured to the specifications I've described above in different geographical regions are "different" with respect to their quality.

The bottom lne is: It doesn't matter WHERE these products are made, only HOW.

Physics works the same way everywhere.

It is not bound by geographical constraints.
Click to expand...

Hi Steve - if you think this is simply about a product possibly made in China, you are missing the entire point.

"Physics works the same way everywhere." - Respectfully, not every conversation has to do with physics.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Hi Steve - if you think this is simply about a product possibly made in China, you are missing the entire point.

"Physics works the same way everywhere." - Respectfully, not every conversation has to do with physics.
Click to expand...

Well then, if this post is not regarding how the speaker sounds, rather it is because of where it is made, then the thread is political and has no place in this forum.
 
still-one said:
Well then, if this post is not regarding how the speaker sounds, rather it is because of where it is made, then the thread is political and has no place in this forum.
Click to expand...

The basis to the thread was about the manufacturer moving where the speakers were built and not disclosing that.
 
brad225 said:
The basis to the thread was about the manufacturer moving where the speakers were built and not disclosing that.
Click to expand...

Exactly.

To advertise and say they are made in Scotland when you KNOW they are not, is completely dishonest. Now, if they were lying to the distributor too, then that’s another story, but I doubt it.

Pretty easy to tell where they are made because when you’re the distributor for a product, you must clear them through US customs from their origination point. So, to say otherwise, when you know damn well it’s somewhere else, is completely dishonest.

Again, I could tell you all stories….

Dirty, dishonest.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top