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Thread: Where does it end?
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October 11, 2021, 02:01 PM #1
Where does it end?
So when do you reach a level in your system as an audiophile you sit back and say “This is good enough”? Any new component will sound “different” but is that an improvement? This can apply in the lowest to the highest level of gear refinement.
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October 11, 2021, 02:19 PM #2
Re: Where does it end?
IME that isn't how it works.
Sure its good enough. Then you find out about something that's better.
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October 11, 2021, 02:22 PM #3
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Re: Where does it end?
If one looks at it from the point of view of “the day I stop upgrading I am no longer an audiophile and the journey is over, then it will end when it gets old or the budget is depleted for such upgrades. I look at it as a journey that’s only beginning when one reaches a level where they stop obsessing over upgrades, dive deep and get lost in music itself. Exactly where along the path to nirvana it happens will be different for different folks. I’ve had a few friends completely burn out on upgrades and stop participating in the hobby. It was never about the music for them is the only explanation.
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October 11, 2021, 02:25 PM #4
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October 11, 2021, 02:33 PM #5
Re: Where does it end?
What we all have right now it likely "good enough". What I enjoy is the exploration. I am currently considering a system change just because I can. Part of the fun is trying something new - new speaker topologies, new amp topologies, new DAC technology, etc. I could certainly live with the system and room I have for the rest of my life if satisfaction with performance was my only criteria.
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October 11, 2021, 03:09 PM #6
Re: Where does it end?
When I am totally content with a component (e.g. my Select 2 DAC and my Vandersteen 7 Mk2 speakers), I just stop looking to upgrade. If I feel there is some room for improvement in a component (e.g. my Roon Nucleus +), I continue to keep my eyes and ears open.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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October 11, 2021, 03:32 PM #7
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Re: Where does it end?
i'm at that hifi system end of game point. which also aligns with work place retirement too within 9-18 months (turned 70 a month ago).
and i've finished my room/system development completely. unlikely i would ever have the energy to do it all again.
as far as my system journey; my thinking is now questions of 'ride into the sunset' configuration??? the last few years i've assembled 4 turntables, and 3 RTR decks.......anticipating a discovery process of what do i want/need to keep?
the big one for me will be whether i decide to keep my barn, or get a smaller place. spending time on a boat might share my attention in the future, do i need a hifi system so grandiose if i don't need it as a balance to working 6 days a week?
so the answer is that it never ends, it evolves to fit our life.
my desire for superb music reproduction will not end, but might be less an all consuming priority it's been.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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October 11, 2021, 05:39 PM #8
Re: Where does it end?
lmao!! ...see this thread: end game audio system -- how do you know you are there?
i was at the "my system is more than good enough" point at this time last year and was asking the very same question... since then i have made a significant amplification upgrade and added an analog source. so glad i made these changes / additions as my system enjoyment is at least double what it was at that point ...and, to boot the journey to get to my current system was loads of fun.
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October 11, 2021, 06:03 PM #9
Re: Where does it end?
Well I'll be 70 in 4 months and waiting on a couple of things and it is likely if I do anything after that it will be along these lines:
Main System - Lumin U2, Modwright LS36.5 DM Preamp, VTV Purifi 1ET-7040SA with tube buffer, EMM Labs DAC 2X (ver. 2), Torus RM-20, Thiel CS 3.7s, 2 Rel S/812 subs
Back-up 1 - Premium Audio mini Gan Amp, Oppo 103D, 2 Richard Gray cond, Selah SA-2s, Sumiko S5 sub, Teac UD-503 DAC, Carver (modded) C-9
Back-up 2 - Onkyo TX-NR797, Panasonic DP-UB820, Vansevers cond, B&W P6s, PowerSoundAudio S1500 sub
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October 11, 2021, 06:35 PM #10
Re: Where does it end?
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October 11, 2021, 09:38 PM #11
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October 11, 2021, 10:13 PM #12
Re: Where does it end?
Being retired I can't just buy gear like a drunken sailor, but I have no reason to either. I absolutely love my current system, and haven't bought anything since I upgraded to the Lumin X1 a year or two ago. With that said, if Lumin comes out with a better file player than the X1 then I will get that. Likewise if Magico releases a version 2 of the S7 then I will seriously consider that. Likewise I will consider the next generation of Shunyata power conditioner and power cords when they get released. However, I would expect those upgrades to only be modest improvements over the current system.
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October 12, 2021, 09:23 AM #13
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October 12, 2021, 10:35 AM #14
Re: Where does it end?
It ends when I don't want to invest more time/resources into a hobby. other than that there is no backstop or threshold I wont cross. I gave up of chasing ideals, I realized early on the hardware choices can be 180 degrees from one system to the next and they can all provide enjoyable sound.
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October 12, 2021, 10:41 AM #15
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Re: Where does it end?
Ask Joe
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October 12, 2021, 11:09 AM #16
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Re: Where does it end?
Death for many I suspect. I have greatly slowed down the process at age 77. Most of us older folks have hearing loss in the mids and highs which might contribute to the slow down or final system decision.
Main System: Analog - Linn LP12, Origin Live DC motor and Controller, SME V arm, Benz Ruby H 2 cartridge, Wright Sound preamp. Digital - Intel NUC I-7, 16 gig ram, Jriver media center 24, Wyrd4 Sound 2V2 SE Dac, Fathom Hard Drives.
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October 12, 2021, 03:37 PM #17
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Re: Where does it end?
I'm guessing for the die-hard audiophile it is only a matter of aging-out. As long as one can hear improvement, I suspect die-hards will continue to seek improvement. Aging out and $$ probably the big limiters. I just turned 64 so for now I'm on the quest to put together the best rig I can before the aging out and $$ factors kick in. That, or sell everything and buy a boat or RV and travel. It would take a big boat to have a nice music system in, and in an RV I'm guessing a nice integrated and some cans. Ultimately I will always want to hear music I love reproduced faithfully.
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October 12, 2021, 04:16 PM #18
Re: Where does it end?
It’s about the journey, not the destination.
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October 12, 2021, 05:29 PM #19
Re: Where does it end?
And the journey is sweet music to our ears ...
~ Bob ~
"And it Stoned me to my Soul" • Van Morrison
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