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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    It seems like most positive reviews say something like, "all of the resolve but without the harsh digital edge." Maybe this is the mark that every manufacturer is trying to hit, but very few actually do.

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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

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    I do not understand this trend. Where did it come from? Is it coming from a particular reviewer who likely can't hear above 10Khz? Is it coming from customers? Where is it coming from?
    Well, if the designer of said amp can't hear above 10k, that might provide some clues. It might be going unnoticed where it needs to be noticed most.
    That said, the specific mystery amp may be misbehaving in a particular setup, rather than across the board. Name some names ;-)

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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dre_J View Post
    Mike,

    Do you have some amplifier models in mind you could share?

    What conditions the objects of this trend was observed under? (speakers,preamp, sources, etc.)

    Dre
    I donít want to pick out any particular amps, because thereís likely people here who own them. But Joe and I have talked extensively about particular amps in private. We are in agreement.

    We have seen people buy amps and flip them very fast. Uh hum...

    Iíve just noticed a real trend for treble extension, increased sibilance and ďbiteĒ across SOME new SS amps and Iím trying understand why. What on earth would drive such voicing changes?


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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I don’t want to pick out any particular amps, because there’s likely people here who own them. But Joe and I have talked extensively about particular amps in private. We are in agreement.

    We have seen people buy amps and flip them very fast. Uh hum...

    I’ve just noticed a real trend for treble extension, increased sibilance and “bite” across SOME new SS amps and I’m trying understand why. What on earth would drive such voicing changes?


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    I don't know Mike. Without scenarios and names it's hard to know a specific perspective for sure.

    What I can say is there is just as much variety in sonic choice (pick your favorite attribute and insert it here) as there has been in recent years. I'm uncertain if this is a trend given the choices available.

    System matching seems to be the case (or not) for some situations that gives the results we notice. At this day and age, I'd expect any amplifier to be free from egregious distortions. Voicing is one thing but I don't expect a quality amplifier to have distortion causing/related issues you mentioned.

    Finally, there are so many variables with each individual system that it's hard to pin down when things are not functioning well -at least not in unfamiliar systems. The again, sometimes the new equipment just doesn't work in the system the way the new owner thought it would.

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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    I am one that doesn't particularly care for rounded sound, I do like extended highs and air, however, if the overall sound is out of balance, for example the highs draw my attention, that's a turn off and especially if the highs aren't smooth or have a bite. So maybe I'm even harder to please, LOL

    Mike I'm sure hears more gear then mme to say, I have not noticed the trend. I'm confident in your assessment though. I personally was under the impression an industry trend in amps was to move to the warm side of neutral.

    I'm also wondering how much, if any, is attributed to newer tweeter material. Not that brillium is bad, just as an example,, a lot of manufacturers are using it, I suppose as a selling point. I see more ribbons than ever before, more horns. It's all in application as to if it crosses a line. Even done well, the higher the resolution the better the upstream has to be.
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    What's with the trend in amp design?

    You raise some excellent points. I was speaking more of v1 to v2 for an amp. If 1.0 sounds great, why dramatically change the house sound in the 2.0? Just refine it a little, but donít make a BMW into a Kia just for the sake of change.


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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You raise some excellent points. I was speaking more of v1 to v2 for an amp. If 1.0 sounds great, why dramatically change the house sound in the 2.0? Just refine it a little, but don’t make a BMW into a Kia just for the sake of change.


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    That's being more specific. I've observed voicing changes going in both directions before. It's a valid observation.

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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dre_J View Post
    That's being more specific. I've observed voicing changes going in both directions before. It's a valid observation.

    Perhaps the subjective taste of the designer? For example like Pass. He said a few times in that he voices his amps to sound like tubes. That is one of his design goals.

    Or perhaps maybe you have something downstream coloring the sound? As another member posted.

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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    For my taste, splitting the difference between the Pass Labs .5 and .8 amps might be perfect. I think the new 611/1.25 McIntosh amps may have overshot the 452/601/1.2 amps too much.

    I loved my CJ ART amps, but I have not heard the new 40th anniversary series. I read comments like “extended highs” on the new gear and it makes me a little nervous. I confess to wanting an ART 150 for the heck of it, but I’d absolutely need a demo before buying.
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    Re: What's with the trend in amp design?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    For my taste, splitting the difference between the Pass Labs .5 and .8 amps might be perfect.
    Pass has already done this with the XS series. And they are.

    It would be interesting to find out which speakers and cables were used for voicing these overly bright sounding amps. Nowadays it seems there's a bigger difference than ever between those that are revealing and those that are "rounded".
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