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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    No, the music they played in that room was for going to sleep.

    The sound of the system didn't have any punch or liveliness to it. Well, that would indicate sort of sleepy. Hmmm, it didn't seem slow more like a lack of transient response (balls). That system didn't do drums well. I played a small portion of a song that was pretty energetic before they changed it back to something slow. I could be wrong but I got the impression they knew something was off.

    Enough people like the amps so I'm inclined to believe it was just not a good demo and hopefully I'll get a chance to hear them again.
    Ok. Sounds like we heard the same sleepy sounds.


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    Cable that surprised me the most was complete loom of MIT Oracle level cable .. was just floored. Gear that shocked me the most was the first time I head Wilson Audio speakers.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by gadawg View Post
    Cable that surprised me the most was complete loom of MIT Oracle level cable .. was just floored. Gear that shocked me the most was the first time I head Wilson Audio speakers.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by chops View Post
    2) These beautiful Odyssey Audio Stratus monoblock amps. At nearly half the power of the stereo Emotiva amp that they replaced, these amps sound stronger and cleaner, and they make my Maggies and subs sound much larger and more powerful. Imaging and sound staging is much better as well.
    I am also running Odyssey amps into Maggies (Kismets > LRS) with SVS subs and like you, I am happy as a clam.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Is MIT still in existence? I haven't heard anyone in HiFi mention MIT in decades.
    There's been a large stock of MIT cables that the dealer on Audiogon has been trying to unload for years now. Beyond that, by all accounts it looks like MIT the company was abandoned and is now defunct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulveling View Post
    There's been a large stock of MIT cables that the dealer on Audiogon has been trying to unload for years now. Beyond that, by all accounts it looks like MIT the company was abandoned and is now defunct.
    Yeah, that was my understanding as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulveling View Post
    There's been a large stock of MIT cables that the dealer on Audiogon has been trying to unload for years now. Beyond that, by all accounts it looks like MIT the company was abandoned and is now defunct.
    Not so fast... I recently saw a post on another forum from an MIT dealer stating he recently placed an order, and then the following was shared:

    This was posted by MIT on Facebook

    Greetings from MIT Cables.

    We wanted to give everyone an update on what is happening at MIT. First, we want to thank everyone for their support as we are in the process of making some changes.

    As you have probably noticed, our website WordPress › Error has been down for a week or so. We had some issues with the host that we had been using for our website connecting with WordPress and are in the process of moving over to a new host. We hope that we have that up and running within the next week.

    Some of you may have heard that we are in the process of moving our factory. We wanted to let everyone know that we have successfully completed the move of factory to Reno, Nevada. Along with this move, we have added more inventory as well as invested in High-Tech automated test and measurement equipment aimed at improving QA & QC while still being proudly Built in the U.S.A.

    Because many of the parts we demand have become difficult to purchase, we are very excited about this increase in inventory along with the addition of our new equipment, as this will vastly improve our turnaround times for orders while improving the quality of our products.

    If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at info@mitcables.com

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    Not so fast... I recently saw a post on another forum from an MIT dealer stating he recently placed an order, and then the following was shared:

    MIT Cable[/I]
    Thanks for sharing.

    Does anyone really still buy MIT? They have virtually no presence nor marketing that I've seen for sooooo long, I forgot they even existed.
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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Thanks for sharing.

    Does anyone really still buy MIT? They have virtually no presence nor marketing that I've seen for sooooo long, I forgot they even existed.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If you own Spectral gear you do.
    Yeah, that always amazed me over the years, as much as I enjoyed listening through their equipment I could never grasp the 'lock-in' with MIT. I always wondered when bought on the used market if anybody wondered away from MIT cabling ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    Yeah, that always amazed me over the years, as much as I enjoyed listening through their equipment I could never grasp the 'lock-in' with MIT. I always wondered when bought on the used market if anybody wondered away from MIT cabling ?
    Only if you want to blow up your Spectral gear.
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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Only if you want to blow up your Spectral gear.
    I'm trying to remember, oscillation / extreme capacitance issues ?
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    I never understood why anyone would want interconnect/speaker cables with circuits built into them to purposely alter the signal. Kind of defeats the purpose if you ask me.
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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    I'm trying to remember, oscillation / extreme capacitance issues ?
    Superwide bandwidth that will drive the amps into oscillation if the cables don't have the correct termination network.
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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Clean power is a must - Dedicated panel, dedicated grounding , good in wall wire , furutech NCF outlets

    Cables make a huge difference at every position, I auditioned several top brands and landed on mostly zenwave and am still blown away with what I hear when comparing the competition.

    First watt sit 3 playing my horn speakers was a MIND=BLOWN experience. the sound from this $3500 ss amp is on another level. Where do I go from here???

    BAACH SP - IMO this is the future of digital playback at least and where I will be exploring. My soon to be Setup BAACH SP > Pass labs xp32 > 2x Firstwatt sit 3s > bi amped JBL 4367's w 2x sub 18's

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich4284 View Post

    Cables make a huge difference at every position, I auditioned several top brands and landed on mostly zenwave and am still blown away they what I hear when I compare.
    Which Zenwave did you end up with? I auditioned several.
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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich4284 View Post
    Clean power is a must - Dedicated panel, dedicated grounding , good in wall wire , furutech NCF outlets

    Cables make a huge difference at every position, I auditioned several top brands and landed on mostly zenwave and am still blown away they what I hear when I compare.

    First watt sit 3 playing my horn speakers was a MIND=BLOWN experience. the sound from this $3500 ss amp is on another level. Where do I go from here???

    BAACH SP - IMO this is the future of digital playback at least and where I will be exploring. My soon to be Setup BAACH SP > Pass labs xp32 > 2x Firstwatt sit 3s > bi amped JBL 4367's w 2x sub 18's
    Zenwave +1. I have Zenwave D5 IC's between my Esoteric player and pre. Compared with several a few years ago (Transparent, Wireworld, Clarus, Synergistic Research, and Zenwave D4).

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Which Zenwave did you end up with? I auditioned several.

    PCR11/14 power cables , DSR and D4 Interconnects , s4-17g high efficiency and SCR11 speaker cables , Clear Bass cables for my subs.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    Thinking back, one of my biggest WOW moments came when I joined an audiophile society in home demo day with Lamizator, Hattor, and Pure Audio Project.
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    We were in the basement with the Trio15s and the Voxative Field Coils driven from a hybrid Lampi Integrated I don't know if they ever sold, and the Pacific DAC after they rolled some special tubes in.

    They played Jessica Williams "Heather" from Live at Yoshi and I was floored. I bought the disk that week but have yet heard it sound the same on any system since. That is a killer test and demo track.

    Anyway, I will never own a Pacific but it sure was fun to experience it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich4284 View Post
    Clean power is a must - Dedicated panel, dedicated grounding , good in wall wire , furutech NCF outlets

    Cables make a huge difference at every position, I auditioned several top brands and landed on mostly zenwave and am still blown away with what I hear when comparing the competition.

    First watt sit 3 playing my horn speakers was a MIND=BLOWN experience. the sound from this $3500 ss amp is on another level. Where do I go from here???

    BAACH SP - IMO this is the future of digital playback at least and where I will be exploring. My soon to be Setup BAACH SP > Pass labs xp32 > 2x Firstwatt sit 3s > bi amped JBL 4367's w 2x sub 18's
    Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
    Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
    Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
    Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    I took this from a review in Absolute Sound
    MIT’s reputation in audio circles is inarguable. In the realm of cable and AC products few other designer/manufacturers have stood at the forefront of our hobby like Bruce Brisson, who founded MIT in 1984. For years, questions have swirled around MIT’s “mysterious” network enclosures and the Multi-Pole Technology they house. Brisson addressed this issue during his discussion with editor-in-chief Robert Harley in the “Cable Designer Roundtable” in Issue 234. When he was asked about the core beliefs that guide his product development, he replied: “When measuring correctly, using impedance analyzers, one understands that audio cables suffer from at least two resonances. As an example, an eight-to-ten-foot speaker cable will typically possess a series resonance somewhere below 1kHz as well as a parallel resonance somewhere between 150kHz to 250kHz. Using a form of piecewise network analysis, I optimize the cable’s resonances via additional networks, hence the network boxes found on all MIT cables. Our best cables possess networks that optimize the cable to function without the series resonance down to a fractional hertz, or just above DC. Looking at the high frequencies in the time domain, our best speaker cables yield a useful transient response of 2.8 microseconds, or ~357kHz.”


    Quote Originally Posted by chops View Post
    I never understood why anyone would want interconnect/speaker cables with circuits built into them to purposely alter the signal. Kind of defeats the purpose if you ask me.
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    Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables

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    SVS PC13 Ultra
    Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Flat to 20hz

    Would love to see some data on these flat to 20hz transducers, heck any data period to back any of your claims Ralph , seeing in 25 yrs not one editorial has ever tested any of your products for real bench data to back up your claims ..


    BTW the Bass array was around way before Duke , some of us were dumb enuff to try 4ch back when it was thought to be the way , guess how the subs were arranged


    So feel free to post up some actual bench measurements of these greatest of all time audio gear ..!



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    My Classic Audio Loudspeaker T-3s employ the TAD 1602 drivers. Fo of 21Hz. They are in a bass reflex cabinet. As you probably know, a bass reflex allows for bandwidth below the Fo. So the speakers are likely good below 20Hz, but flat to 20Hz is correct. They are not small; I had my cabinets built a bit taller so they would have the same volume as his model T1. Normally he cuts off the T-3 at 22 Hz, but I wanted the silly little extra 2 Hz. They seem to measure that way in the rooms I've had them using pink noise.

    In a 4 channel system the speakers would be placed symmetrically about the room. In a DBA, the subs must not- they must be asymmetrical, otherwise they might not be able to break up standing waves.

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    Re: What's surprised you gear or cable wise?

    A long long way back : Moving from Bose 901 to Infinity RS IIa speakers AND how important a powerful amplifier versus a receiver was. Don’t understand it all at the time but O do now.

    ~Two decades ago: Moving from the Infinities to Revel Performa F52s which offered a much cleaner and detailed midrange AND were not amplifier hungry.

    More recently: Finding the Strads and now the Kharmas that provide it all in equal parts better than I had ever owned. Each have allowed me to hear the differences in cables, power supply / cable / grounding / source changes. The resolution they provided made my system better on multiple ways.

    Lastly, how adding a preamplifer to my great sounding DAC/Pre driven system made a huge difference.

    Each step has surprised me. There probably others I have missed.

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