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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post

    Exceptions being Open baffle designs Corrected with DSP and being driven by class D amps those are just horrible all the time ..!



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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Come to my room at Flexpo and I will physically demonstrate for the umpteenth time, why the latter far exceeds, even negates, the former, unless pathological.
    AJ, are you implying that the speakers / room are not tied together with respect to optimal performance ? and if so, 'negates' the room ?? as a general statement that is utter nonsense(again, if that is what your implying), my counter to you would be di-poles (planar / electrostatics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The room/speaker interaction is so important and with that, listening position.

    Power second. Dirty power can kill a great system.

    Source third. You can’t fix downstream what’s broken upstream.
    agreed ........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Some people think quite differently.
    Some say that electricity is 50% of the sound (start at 2.20).
    ...
    I know. Some people also believe the earth is flat. It is a free country after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I know. Some people also believe the earth is flat. It is a free country after all.
    Oh no. It isn’t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Oh no. It isn’t?
    What is Really Important...What is Really Important...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I know. Some people also believe the earth is flat. It is a free country after all.
    So if someone thinks differently from you, it's the equivalent of saying that the earth is flat ...
    You must have a terrible room (from an acoustic point of view)

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    My wife's grandfather was a 'flat earth' farmer who spent most of his life on or near his land. When he was very old, they took him to the beach for the first time. Upon seeing the ocean, he remarked, "Hmm, not as big as I thought it'd be!" (And indeed, if it really was flat, it would have looked 'bigger.') So from an audiophile perspective - needed a bigger room!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    1) Your room and seat location in that room. And that includes room treatments & good power.
    2) Your speakers.

    It is physics, it is measurable. And both count, in my opinion, for 80% (that’s my ratio).

    Everything else. And that includes electronics, cables, etc. is secondary.

    Yes, everything matters. But not everything matters the same.

    Concentrate on what is important.
    A question on picking the seat location first.
    Don't the room node locations change with the placement of the speakers?
    I certainly hear changes from a fixed seat position when moving the speakers.
    This leads me to believe that the room is being excited differently.
    Therefore how do you go about initially setting the speakers so that you can set the chair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    1) Your room and seat location in that room. And that includes room treatments & good power.
    2) Your speakers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    AJ, are you implying that the speakers / room are not tied together with respect to optimal performance ? and if so, 'negates' the room ?? as a general statement that is utter nonsense(again, if that is what your implying).
    I'm responding to what Nicoff stated, in quotation for brevity.
    I'm not an audiophile. All statements can be supported by repeatable, verifiable science...and demonstrable, unlike utter nonsense. Most will be oblivious to.
    Seating in room: https://www.linkwitzlab.com/Links/Op...rea-Davies.pdf
    Rooms mandating "treatments" (audiophiles, absolutely, yes, more the merrier)
    https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...man-adaptation
    https://www.audioholics.com/room-aco...steners-prefer

    http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss..._audiofest.htm
    https://www.dagogo.com/3rd-2012-capital-audio-fest/
    A system that was both unusual and very good was that from Soundfield Audio, in Tampa FL. A.J. is the designer...He also likes a lively room and indeed, his room lacked any sort of room treatments. I am often amazed at the number of audiophiles who will spend tens of thousands of dollars on audio gear, but not a single penny on room treatments – often not even simple absorbers for the first reflection points. (This is true for both their home systems, and the ones they set up at shows.). To my ear these rooms usually sound like echo chambers, concealing much of what their systems are capable of. Much to my amazement, to a large extent this was not true of AJ’s room. It seems that the problem is not reflections per se but rather, that the off-axis reflections of most speakers have a very different tonal characteristic from the direct sound.
    https://www.audioholics.com/trade-sh...audiofest-2013
    ....
    https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2019/...le-you-decide/

    Dave, I have no issue with folks treating themselves for all sorts of maladies, "Class A", digititis, "condition", etc, etc, etc. If that makes them happier, I'm all for it.
    I choose a different path and don't just "talk" (or type). Actions speak louder than words.
    Swing by, I'd be more than happy to demonstrate the science, not nonsense. Any time.

    cheers,

    AJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    A question on picking the seat location first.
    Don't the room node locations change with the placement of the speakers?
    I certainly hear changes from a fixed seat position when moving the speakers.
    This leads me to believe that the room is being excited differently.
    Therefore how do you go about initially setting the speakers so that you can set the chair?
    I would recommend reading the article in the link below by Jim Smith for a more detailed explanation (and Jim’s book Get Better Sound). The short answer to your question is that, while there will be some changes in low frequency response by moving the speakers, they are orders of magnitude larger by moving the listening position and won’t change much as speaker position is changed.

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