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    Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    As I’m getting a new amp w/o in-built phono option due to the negative effects on SQ, I’m pondering over phono options. Here are some that come to mind:

    Channel D - Lino C
    Current mode phono pre, battery operated and technically a quite smart concept.

    Pass XP-27
    Trusty partner from a trusty amp specialist. Does many things right, very little wrong. But still doesn’t quite excite me.

    Lampizator MC-1
    Interesting tube phono from tube DAC specialist Lukasz Fikus. A nice offering, but quite niche. Optimized for low-output MCs, like my Lyra Etna Lambda SL. Have heard it and am intrigued.

    Brinkmann Edison II
    Re-worked renown phono-pre. For sure good, but the re-work was rather superficial and the concept has been around for a while. Well reviewed.

    Aurorasound Vida
    Japanese phono amp specialist. Quite versatile and well reviewed. Retro design is an acquired taste IMHO.

    Btw, am not going to venture into a 50K Boulder or Ypsilon phono stage.


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Maybe have a look at this one:

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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    I have the lampizator MC2/ Silver edition. It is essentially the mc1, with the ability to support many cartridges. I absolutely love it. You have many good options in that list.


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    I have the PASS XP-27. Well built, very flexible, lots of gain, sounds terrific and won’t break the bank.
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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hounddog View Post
    I have the lampizator MC2/ Silver edition. It is essentially the mc1, with the ability to support many cartridges. I absolutely love it. You have many good options in that list.


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    I do have an offer from Lukasz for an MC1 with all the silver upgrades, with balanced outputs and a mono switch.

    I’m pretty sure I will go for it, just doing a final market check.


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    from GermanyTop Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    https://blueamp.de/produkt-1


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    Why not the Audionet PAM G2 +EPX Power Supply to match your Humboldt?

    It may not be the scientist series but, you can sell it for when the Scientist Series phono stage is released.

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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    I had the Lino C 2.0 its quite good, maybe the best for anywhere near the price but its strictly for LOMC with a DCR <10 ohms or so. As you know its a current mode design, differentially balanced and exceptionally quiet. Around that time I had a Burmester 100 and Boulder 1008 phono in the house both voltage gain designs, in different systems they were all capable of outshining the other.

    Presently I have two separate TTs set-ups, one using the phono input of a Soulution 520 (voltage gain design), the other a BMC MCCI ULN. The BMC is my current benchmark, it has few flaws in my mind and is exceptional at revealing ultra fine musical information that's buried by noise and other artifacts in other 'stages. its also a current mode design so carts like the Haniwa, My Sonic Lab, SL versions of the Lyras, most Koetsus, XV series Dynavectors and low output ZYX carts are all good matches.
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    The CS Port phono stage that I am using with my Etsuro Gold(mg) cartridge now is, I think, fully run in. It is a very big step up from my Einstein. Not easily available in the states, I got mine from Mik in the UK. He swears its competitive with any phono stage. Uses the same tubes as the Ypsilon. 1 mc input, 2 mm inputs. Amazing musicality, liquidity, and flow. Not terribly expensive.
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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I do have an offer from Lukasz for an MC1 with all the silver upgrades, with balanced outputs and a mono switch.

    I’m pretty sure I will go for it, just doing a final market check.
    for a tubed phono optimized for LOMC carts, thomas mayer D3a phono amps should probably be part of your due-diligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    I had the Lino C 2.0 its quite good, maybe the best for anywhere near the price but its strictly for LOMC with a DCR <10 ohms or so. As you know its a current mode design, differentially balanced and exceptionally quiet. Around that time I had a Burmester 100 and Boulder 1008 phono in the house both voltage gain designs, in different systems they were all capable of outshining the other.

    Presently I have two separate TTs set-ups, one using the phono input of a Soulution 520 (voltage gain design), the other a BMC MCCI ULN. The BMC is my current benchmark, it has few flaws in my mind and is exceptional at revealing ultra fine musical information that's buried by noise and other artifacts in other 'stages. its also a current mode design so carts like the Haniwa, My Sonic Lab, SL versions of the Lyras, most Koetsus, XV series Dynavectors and low output ZYX carts are all good matches.
    Thanks, good choices. Currently I also run my phono through the in-built Soulution 520 phono pre.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elztalbiker View Post
    from GermanyTop Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    model 42 MK III – BLUE AMP


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    I know the Blue Amp, and have been talking to the developer. I find him too arrogant to be credible. But I do have friends though who have the Blu Amp 42.

    The concept is already quite dated though. And for 16K for the mk3 version I find it overpriced for what it does.


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Why not the Audionet PAM G2 +EPX Power Supply to match your Humboldt?

    It may not be the scientist series but, you can sell it for when the Scientist Series phono stage is released.
    Valid point. I’m just not so much enamored with the old Audionet sound.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobvin View Post
    The CS Port phono stage that I am using with my Etsuro Gold(mg) cartridge now is, I think, fully run in. It is a very big step up from my Einstein. Not easily available in the states, I got mine from Mik in the UK. He swears its competitive with any phono stage. Uses the same tubes as the Ypsilon. 1 mc input, 2 mm inputs. Amazing musicality, liquidity, and flow. Not terribly expensive.
    Very interesting concept, as I find - thanks. Design might be slightly an acquired taste.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    for a tubed phono optimized for LOMC carts, thomas mayer D3a phono amps should probably be part of your due-diligence.

    Phono preamplifiers by Thomas Mayer - VinylSavor - Thomas Mayer
    I would put this into the same category as Lampizator. At least as an inventor-driven approach.

    However, the Lampi’s might be a bit more established internationally. That is likely yield a better re-sell value eventually.


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    Thank you everyone for the great ideas. That gives me a bit to ponder about.

    Much appreciated.


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    Very interesting concept, as I find - thanks. Design might be slightly an acquired taste.


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    when the Scientist Series phono stage is released.
    excellent point.
    very imaginable this to be the best match.and it would be the only one i d buy without a listening prior. only for the reason the matching is guaranteed. key point imho.
    if i remember right it should have been presented spring 2020 already...so may be worth calling audionet whether things are ready or not.

    according to my dealer, nagra classic phono is among the very very best if not the best today.

    i think you will be satisfayed with the humboldt and will keep it a long time.
    in that sense i d take my time choosing a very pleasant match.
    these toys are too painfully expensive to go wrong. selling a used phono pre, even if only one week old, goes along with dramatic loss.
    probably you are less in a rush than you think. when the amp arrives it takes a couple of weeks for the break in.
    however, good luck!
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    I have seen it mentioned in some reviews, such as the recent Tidal review, that the SimAudio Moon 810LP can hold its own with virtually anything on the market. Mike is also a dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    It may not be the scientist series but, you can sell it for when the Scientist Series phono stage is released.
    Miguel, I kind of missed the second part of your comment. Sorty for that.

    Has there been some indication that a Scientist Series phono pre might be released?


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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    Miguel, I kind of missed the second part of your comment. Sorty for that.

    Has there been some indication that a Scientist Series phono pre might be released?


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    No worries. Nothing more than a rumor.

    I remember when the Heisenberg/Stern first came out and I made a comment to a dealer and asked what's next for this Scientist series.

    He responded with a "Source" component. This was back in 2019. COVID was 2020 and now we are 2021.

    Now, I speculated that this would be in fact a phono stage. Given, that Audionet really isn't a digital company per say. Although , I know they offer CD players and Dacs/Streamers.

    Personally, if it was me , can you wait until Munich 2021 before buying ? :-)

    *If a new product in the Audionet Scientist series makes its debut, I'd bet that would be the ideal venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    if i remember right it should have been presented spring 2020 already...so may be worth calling audionet whether things are ready or not.
    just found a review of pam g2, not sur how long the g2 is on the market already. however, the scientist phono pre presentation was planned for the münich high-end 2020.

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    Re: Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?

    Years ago I had a FMA 122, and I found it to be my end-game phono.

    The FMA replaced a Goldmund Mimesis (don't remember the number--age!), which in turn had replaced an Octave & the phono section of a CAT Ultimate preamp and the phono section of a two-box Symphonic Line RG3.

    The FMA easily outclassed all the other phonos I had & tried.
    The next model up (123, presumably) is also a very handy & versatile tool, offering a variety of curves, gains, and input loadings...
    Not cheap, but nowhere near the outrageous price category
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregm View Post
    Years ago I had a FMA 122, and I found it to be my end-game phono.

    The FMA replaced a Goldmund Mimesis (don't remember the number--age!), which in turn had replaced an Octave & the phono section of a CAT Ultimate preamp and the phono section of a two-box Symphonic Line RG3.

    The FMA easily outclassed all the other phonos I had & tried.
    The next model up (123, presumably) is also a very handy & versatile tool, offering a variety of curves, gains, and input loadings...
    Not cheap, but nowhere near the outrageous price category
    Can you tell me about about the difference in sound between the different amps you had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordante View Post
    Can you tell me about about the difference in sound between the different amps you had.
    The two immediately perceptible differences:
    Much more clarity (i.e. resolution), top to bottom frequencies, and more extension especially in the bottom frequencies, even compared to the Goldmund which has extended HF reproduction.
    The other characteristic was increased and more palpable dynamics. The FMA phono outclassed all the others in that respect as well. Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregm View Post
    Years ago I had a FMA 122, and I found it to be my end-game phono.

    The FMA replaced a Goldmund Mimesis (don't remember the number--age!), which in turn had replaced an Octave & the phono section of a CAT Ultimate preamp and the phono section of a two-box Symphonic Line RG3.

    The FMA easily outclassed all the other phonos I had & tried.
    The next model up (123, presumably) is also a very handy & versatile tool, offering a variety of curves, gains, and input loadings...
    Not cheap, but nowhere near the outrageous price category
    The FMA is fantastic ...

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    MC2 ...!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I do have an offer from Lukasz for an MC1 with all the silver upgrades, with balanced outputs and a mono switch.

    I’m pretty sure I will go for it, just doing a final market check.


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    Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind? whatever Mike sells.
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    Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind? whatever Mike sells.
    I like the Pass XP27 for solid state. It all depends on budget.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I do have an offer from Lukasz for an MC1 with all the silver upgrades, with balanced outputs and a mono switch.

    I’m pretty sure I will go for it, just doing a final market check.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I like the Pass XP27 for solid state. It all depends on budget.
    Hey Mike, just curious, have you ever had one of the higher Moon's in the store and compared them? I was very impressed by the conversations about the 810 in the Tidal review(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hey Mike, just curious, have you ever had one of the higher Moon's in the store and compared them? I was very impressed by the conversations about the 810 in the Tidal review(s).
    We haven’t, but the 110LP and 310LP are excellent. We buy the 110LP’s buy the case load!


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    Can someone put this in the right forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I like the Pass XP27 for solid state. It all depends on budget.


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    I think it’s a great phono pre, not ruling it out yet.

    Mike, how would you describe the sound singnature? More towards full and warm, like the power amps, or rather transparent and detailed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    MC2 ...!
    Nope, custom designed MC1 with a MC2 board Top Phono Stages - what comes to mind?.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    No worries. Nothing more than a rumor.

    I remember when the Heisenberg/Stern first came out and I made a comment to a dealer and asked what's next for this Scientist series.

    He responded with a "Source" component. This was back in 2019. COVID was 2020 and now we are 2021.

    Now, I speculated that this would be in fact a phono stage. Given, that Audionet really isn't a digital company per say. Although , I know they offer CD players and Dacs/Streamers.

    Personally, if it was me , can you wait until Munich 2021 before buying ? :-)

    *If a new product in the Audionet Scientist series makes its debut, I'd bet that would be the ideal venue.
    Interesting to see whether there are any news in the coming months, maybe at the Munich High End (pushed to the autumn).


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