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February 10, 2024, 09:57 AM #1
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Surge protection
Hi;
I seem to get some surges that affect my Grimm Mu1 and Mola Mola Tambaqui, frequently causing the Grimm to reset, and occasionally causing the MMT to freeze.
I have a Nordost Qbase which really doesn’t offer protection. What are other folks using as solutions?
Thanks
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February 10, 2024, 10:11 AM #2
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Re: Surge protection
The best plan is to use a 'whole home' surge protector.
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February 10, 2024, 11:26 AM #3
Re: Surge protection
I've been using one of these for about 4 years or so.
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February 10, 2024, 02:11 PM #4
Re: Surge protection
I have looked at this exact unit several times now over the past couple years.
So I take it with this installed, you have zero stand-alone surge protection units in your system, correct? I wouldn't see the point with one of these EP2050EE filters installed at the electrical box.Pass Labs XP-20 | Auralic Altair G1 | Odyssey Audio Stratos Monoblocks | JVC XL-Z411 | Nakamichi DR-1 | Technics SL-1700MK2 | Magnepan 1.7i | SVS PB-1000 Pro x 2
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February 10, 2024, 02:16 PM #5
Re: Surge protection
The generic power strips referenced ("whole house surge protectors") above limit dynamic transient current delivery, don't provide any noise suppression, and, most importantly, will have a deleterious impact on sound quality. I know this from personal direct experience using a number of them.
Depending on your needs, I'd recommend either of these:
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If you want a higher level of noise reduction, and/or have more than 10 components, and want to be able to make a safe and proper connection to chassis ground for even more noise reduction (from your components' ground-plane), this:
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February 10, 2024, 02:52 PM #6
Re: Surge protection
Before this was installed I was using two AudioQuest Niagara 1000. One has a Shunyata NR power cable that works with my digital/ethernet connections. The Shunyata NR cable definitely showed improvements in my tv's picture performance.
I have also added two Tesla powerwalls as a home power backup. And this whole house surge protection is a good addition with that as well.Speakers: Magico S3 (23')
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February 10, 2024, 03:23 PM #7
Re: Surge protection
Yep, they also really improve video performance for HT. You can actually see the improvement in video quality on-screen.
Here's an informative video that Grammy-award winning record producer Glenn Tabor of GAT3 Studios produced in his mastering studio. Glenn, on his own, hired in a professional video production crew and paid for the production of this video at his own expense.
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February 11, 2024, 10:30 AM #8
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February 11, 2024, 11:04 AM #9
Re: Surge protection
Ricky64 wasn’t asking or inquiring about “whole house surge protectors”, but a power distributor for the components in his audio system.
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February 11, 2024, 11:05 AM #10
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Really? Well, then, show me the...data.
Oh, and BTW, what analysis method will you use for the presenting the data to demonstate the data set has statistical validity? A two-sample T-test or ANOVA? If it's two or more companisons being made, I recommend ANOVA, but your data will need to be continous rather than discrete data. Oh, and where will you set 𝜶 and 𝜷 ? Conventionally, these are set at 0.05 and 0.10.
With respect to the analysis, for the data set to be statistically valid, the data set analysis will have to provided with an R^2, R^2-Adjused, F-statistics and p-values for the model.
On, and by the way, before the gathering the data, your measurement system itself will need to be validated as statistically "fit-for-purpose" by a conducting a properly-designed MSA (Measurement System Analysis*) first. For the measurement system to be useable, the "sums of squares" of the "% Contribution" of the measurement system itself should ≤ 0.10.
Looking forward to seeing the MSA, the data and the statistically-valid analysis proving your point with statistical rigor.
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February 11, 2024, 01:48 PM #11
Re: Surge protection
A few years ago Caelin use to recommend the Leviton 51120 for WHOLE HOUSE surge protection. Not sure if thats still the case
I have one on my main panel and a EP2050EE on my sub-panel which feeds my audio"We all know real when we hear it"
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February 11, 2024, 02:00 PM #12
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Re: Surge protection
Buckeye Farmboy translocated to Boulder. Master and slave to my 10 year old twins
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February 11, 2024, 03:23 PM #13
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February 13, 2024, 10:30 AM #14
Re: Surge protection
One thing, Nothing will stop a lightning strike to your home. Whole house, would depend on where you live. I'm in the lightning capt of the US and close to the beach. A whole house system is better than having your $8k + AC unit blown up, or those $$ washer or dryers, range , Fridge etc.. Its not all about audio . The thing one has to be careful on is the FINE PRINT in these protection systems, including those from your power company ( ex. if the surge or strike comes in via your cable provider, or via your sprinkler system or well, a lot of these electrical and power companies will not pay). But any whole house protection in a lightning area, is better than nothing at all. Flower Power and Light use, ( in our area) devices from Kenick Inc ( Clearwater Fl) . In our area a lot of the Electrical contractors offer Siemens and Leviton. Just read the really fine print on liability for whom ever treats your home..
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February 13, 2024, 11:09 AM #15
Re: Surge protection
I am in the lightning zone also, and this advice is spot on. Like any type of "security" it's best done in layers. We have first layer whole home protection on the service entrance at the meter, another layer taking up a double breaker spot at the breaker panel entrance. At the most critical endpoints for the last layer, I use standalone SurgeX series mode protection devices, with no noisy sacrificial MOV's and such. Nothing's gonna stop a direct hit, but this approach gives you a fighting chance when it's in the neighborhood. As mentioned above, covering ALL of the entry points (cable, sprinkler, telephone, etc) is absolutely necessary.
My biggest issue is the <1-2 second power drops we get here. Drives me nuts. Solar/batteries/transfer switch with ups type switchover (milliseconds) would deal with it, but the cost is very high.2 Channel:
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February 13, 2024, 12:00 PM #16
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My daughter is in Cape Coral ( NW 2nd st) and they had their pool pump fried a few years ago, that's the only thing impacted of course all of theirs in buried power. It was found the pool company failed to bond their pump properly, so the pool company replaced their pump and the panel and re-added this device Intermatic PS3000 and ensured it was wired properly this time. IN Fla its a game we play everytime a lightning storm rolls through. You make it our ya don't LOL. You be safe down there, this year should be rather interesting as far as those windy things go. .2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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February 13, 2024, 02:19 PM #17
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Yeah, Ian was a little too interesting. We lost our primary home (2 houses from the beach) and a rental condo next door. We just moved back in late November, and they're finally starting the condo rebuild next month. Never thought about it before, but that surge thing was very real.
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Table: Acoustic Signature Typhoon Neo
Arm: Acoustical Systems Aquilar
Cartridge: DS Audio DS003 phono EQ, DS003 cart
DAC: Bricasti M1SE Series 2 w/MDx, ethernet, Gigafoil V4
Processor: Theoretica Applied Physics Bacch4Mac w/ORC, Mac Studio
Amplification: Modwright LS 300 preamp
Speakers: Dutch & Dutch 8c's (active 3-way), Acora SRC-1's
Power: Puritan Audio PSM156, GroundMaster, RouteMaster
Rack: Silent Running Audio Scuttle V3.3
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February 13, 2024, 07:48 PM #18
Re: Surge protection
Yup, another on here in lightning central. About as "central" as one can get.
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February 14, 2024, 07:15 AM #19
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My problem here in Florida was that the local utility would have issues causing frequent drop outs of service that would scramble my DAC/Server requiring an annoying reset sequence to restore operation. Rather than experimenting with surge / transient protection, I took the entire front end off line with a StromTank battery array. Now the utility can do their worst and my gear happily plays on. This is an expensive solution but not when you consider the potential damage that you avoid.
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February 14, 2024, 01:07 PM #20
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Re: Surge protection
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February 14, 2024, 02:16 PM #21
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Re: Surge protection
What an impressive system...would love to hear it. The StromTank sounds like a perfect solution. Looks like entry to play is around $15K. Just dropped major coin on a pre, so a StromTank is going to be quite a bit down the road...
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System: Grimm MU1, Mola Mola Tambaqui, Accuphase C3900 pre, TARA Labs 0.8 XLR, Gryphon Essence Stereo Amp, Tara LAbs 0.8 Speaker Cables, Rockport Atria ii's
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February 14, 2024, 05:41 PM #222chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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February 15, 2024, 09:41 AM #23
Re: Surge protection
Another imperfect risk mitigation technique is to unplug things (including Ethernet and FM coax if applicable) when a storm is coming. Of course, one can’t be home all of the time or even know when lightning is around. Then one has to power the system back up and let it settle (which can take a while), etc., et al. I have multiple layers of protection as described above, but still unplug when I know there’s significant lightning in the area and rest easier for it.
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