Speaker Listening Height

**Audiophilehi** · July 2, 2020, 12:25 PM

My ear level is 7 inches below the tweeter level of my speakers. My speakers have a separate tweeter/midrange cabinet and a woofer cabinet.

My question is, should I raise the back of the tweeter/mid cabinet to have the tweeter point more to my ear level or should I somehow raise my seating to match the level or the tweeter?

**the professor** · July 2, 2020, 12:51 PM

In my experience - you just have to try it and decide what you like better. In some rooms yes but not always.

**Puma Cat** · July 2, 2020, 01:20 PM

My understanding is you want your ears to be at the level of the "reference point" of the loudspeaker, generally by lifting your chair, in some cases the speaker. This varies from speaker to speaker, it is not always at the level of the tweeter, in some cases it is between the tweeter and mid or woofer. You should be able to find out from the manufacturer. The reference point is where the design engineer took the measurements of the speaker during its design.

**Audiophilehi** · July 2, 2020, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

My understanding is you want your ears to be at the level of the "reference point" of the loudspeaker, generally by lifting your chair, in some cases the speaker. This varies from speaker to speaker, it is not always at the level of the tweeter, in some cases it is between the tweeter and mid or woofer. You should be able to find out from the manufacturer. The reference point is where the design engineer took the measurements of the speaker during its design.

Thanks Stephen...I’ll check and report back.

**Audiophilehi** · July 2, 2020, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

In my experience - you just have to try it and decide what you like better. In some rooms yes but not always.

Thanks Jock!

**Audiophilehi** · July 2, 2020, 01:51 PM

From the manual:

FOCAL POINT OF ARRAY: The VR-5 is Time Aligned by use of mechanically displaced voice coils achieved by the tilt-back M/T module and the specialized Global Axis Integration Network
crossover circuit, which achieves the desired phase-consistent sound field over a wide listening area. If you must situate the speakers close together, with a close listening position for near field applications (such as in a recording studio), you may not need to toe the speakers in towards you, but you will need to sit with your ears on the tweeter’s vertical axis for flattest frequency response. The treble response and depth of field will be differentiated when you compare zero toe in with full toe in, please experiment. Note that recording studio near-field monitoring will require substantial absorption or diffusion of the boundaries closest to the M/T modules.
In an average room situation, where the distance between the speakers is equal or lesser than the seating distance, use the following Pink Noise Listening Test to determine the best location for image focus:

Looks like I need to raise my seating position.

**Puma Cat** · July 2, 2020, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophilehi

From the manual:

FOCAL POINT OF ARRAY: The VR-5 is Time Aligned by use of mechanically displaced voice coils achieved by the tilt-back M/T module and the specialized Global Axis Integration Network
crossover circuit, which achieves the desired phase-consistent sound field over a wide listening area. If you must situate the speakers close together, with a close listening position for near field applications (such as in a recording studio), you may not need to toe the speakers in towards you, but you will need to sit with your ears on the tweeter’s vertical axis for flattest frequency response. The treble response and depth of field will be differentiated when you compare zero toe in with full toe in, please experiment. Note that recording studio near-field monitoring will require substantial absorption or diffusion of the boundaries closest to the M/T modules.
In an average room situation, where the distance between the speakers is equal or lesser than the seating distance, use the following Pink Noise Listening Test to determine the best location for image focus:

Looks like I need to raise my seating position.

Hi Paul,
The tweeter's vertical axis refers to toe-in, not the height of the reference point where the data measurements were taken. It's the horizontal axis that you want find to the optimal position of, and for that you will likely need to raise your seating position to the optimal height, as you have concluded. Cheers.

**Jim Smith** · July 2, 2020, 03:47 PM

Sometimes a good starting point is between the tweeter & mid-range. Then listen to more tweeter until it's too much. Back off until you fall into the music more easily. If you are aware of sounds (sound effects), you probably aren't there yet.

IMO & IME...

**Audiophilehi** · July 2, 2020, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jim Smith

Sometimes a good starting point is between the tweeter & mid-range. Then listen to more tweeter until it's too much. Back off until you fall into the music more easily. If you are aware of sounds (sound effects), you probably aren't there yet.

IMO & IME...

Thanks Jim.....BTW I’m really enjoying your DVD’s. Almost done with DVD #2.

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