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    here i England we have a distributer Absolute sounds, brings in a shed load of big name's, in hifi, and the head of this is Ricardo F, and he publisher's an online catalogue, every year With all prices, apart for the top 2% mega money items, always an eye watering read,
    This non printing by manufactures again does this hobby no favours, probably too embarrassed to print the price, as hifi has hit ridiculers levels, still no-one forces you to buy it, but it does seem, you can't buy hifi nowadays without being gouged,

    also i tried to get the price on Avalon acoustics top of the rage speaker, think its called the Tesseract, after 30 minutes i gave up, can't afford a pair just was looking into the speaker, anyone great thread,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Well,

    Can someone explain where is the urgency in a audio purchase that nobody can waste some time searching for the price?
    It is clear to me that the question of whether or not the price appears on the websites is a false question. So this can only be explained by the "urgency" most people live and the urgency with which they want to see their whims satisfied.

    In summary, what is being done here and that is being done a little everywhere on any subject on social networks, is trying to impose a policy on companies different from the one they determined.

    If companies understand that it is not the best for them to include prices, they certainly thought about the subject, the pros and cons and made that decision. As a customer I am perfectly free, when I don't like it, to take another path. As simple as that.
    For me (and I suspect, for most other people), the issue isn’t one of urgency, it is about annoyance. Sure, one can find the price in a recent online review...
    1) ...if the review includes a price (some don’t for some odd reason);
    2) ...if a review has been done at all;
    3) ...if it is in a language you can read.

    No review? Well, one can (probably) find the price in a forum discussion...
    1) ...if the discussion is in a language you can read;
    2) ...if the price is in your country’s currency OR
    3) ...if the currency conversion accurately reflects the price is your country.

    No reliable review or forum discussion? Well, you can always call a dealer...
    1) ...if the manufacturer has published a dealer or distributor list with phone numbers.

    That is quite a few IFs. I wouldn’t mind it much at all if finding the price was an ordeal only every now and then, but in my experience it is as often as not that I have to go through several steps to find the price. And ultimately, how easy it is to find the price is beside the point. How could it possibly benefit anyone to have the customer spend time finding the price (as if that isn’t an absurd notion) when the manufacturer can provide it up front? I find this no less absurd than the manufacturer not publishing the name of a given product. What’s the point?
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    I think it is likely that lack of information leads to a feeling of exclusivity for some brands. Also, some hifi brands have limited production and it is possible that they are already selling all they want to sell. The need for providing information including pricing is not of value to these brands. Much of the discourse here assumes that brands would want consumers to know more. I’m not sure that is always the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedudeabides View Post
    Serious audio type buyers should already know what the MSRP is. That's called "due diligence".
    agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by greystoke4 View Post
    here i England we have a distributer Absolute sounds, brings in a shed load of big name's, in hifi, and the head of this is Ricardo F, and he publisher's an online catalogue, every year With all prices, apart for the top 2% mega money items, always an eye watering read,
    This non printing by manufactures again does this hobby no favours, probably too embarrassed to print the price, as hifi has hit ridiculers levels, still no-one forces you to buy it, but it does seem, you can't buy hifi nowadays without being gouged,

    also i tried to get the price on Avalon acoustics top of the rage speaker, think its called the Tesseract, after 30 minutes i gave up, can't afford a pair just was looking into the speaker, anyone great thread,
    happy new year, it's snowing here at the moment NOT what you get in the states, but if we get 2 inch the whole country come's to a stand still,
    i put 2 inch for the none metric on the forum,
    yes Ricardo was at the UK premiere of the magico A3 i attended , quite a character . some years back i had a bit of aggro when my high end pre went missing from Absolute sounds [ courier lost it] there was such a hullabaloo ricardo had to sort it out , and he did thankfully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I think the just of this thread is that for what ever reason many/most manufactures do not publish their suggested retail prices. It is treated like some secret that requires you to visit the dealer to find out. And yes, I believe we can all agree that if you are willing to put in the time and effort you probably could eventually find a price by searching on the Internet. However I believe this practice is completely outdated, especially when many/most of us live in areas where dealers are not available to visit. Therefore the customer and the dealer have to waste time to find/give information that should be readily available and that many of us desire to have during the initial phases of looking at a particular line of gear.

    Another aspect of this is where can a certain piece actually be purchased? Use McIntosh as an example. A few of their models are available through online dealers, but many/most of their models are not. To complicate the matter even more there are some online dealers who also have B&M locations that sell the other models but they are not allowed to sell or even discuss these models with you over the phone.

    I have already given a real example of how this came into play and I did not purchase a McIntosh pre-amplifier that I probably would have otherwise. Yes, I may have actually ended up with over all better sounding gear but being that I grew up on the south side of Binghamton (where the McIntosh factory is and has been since 1951) I always think Mc first. This stupid antiquated policy cost them this sale for sure, and I assume that I am not alone, so I am sure it has cost more sales than it has gained them. I even called the dealer down Vestal Parkway (the most known McIntosh dealer of all who has the inside track on McIntosh) and they told me that they are not allowed to discuss prices on these products on the phone and further more they are not allowed to sell them to me, even when I told them that I do not have a locate dealer. They literally told me I would have to come in to their location to buy one of these certain models from them. So I have to fly 3000 miles to buy the product.... really? Oh I could drive several hours to find a dealer in LA or SF, or I could drive to Santa Barbara to have a dealer that I dislike, who never has anything in stock and knows next to nothing about the products, order me one. Again the onus falls on me to purchase an expensive product because of these long out dated policies.

    This is the crux of the issue and no amount of showing, "see I found the price on the Internet" will address it. It is an antiquated practice that needs to change now.
    Seems your beef is really with McIntosh and its general business practices. You may have your share of fair points, but in the end, the purchase decision is ultimately yours. They lost out on your sale and as you claimed, maybe a few others. However, judging from their long history, these business practices seem to be beneficial to them and/or their dealers in some way.

    As for “see I found the price on the internet” posts, they do address “I can’t find MSRP” claims. They just don’t address your complicated relationship with Mc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Loosing even one sale because of this 1980's policy is loosing too many, period.
    I highly doubt that is the case in the niche market that is hi-end audio.

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    Its discussions like this, as well as Mikes personal views and willingness to share them, that make this such a great forum. Mikes advantage here, and why he probably doesn't get his hand slapped for even starting discussions like this is because he MOVES product and the Manufacturers/Distributors have to treat him right. Truly makes Suncoast unique

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    Thanks for the kind words. The reality is that this is an important discussion to have maybe just to gauge public opinion if nothing else. That being said, regardless of what some people may want to see, the manufacturers, at the end of the day, have a different perspective and they need to do what they feel is best. If that means keeping global markets happy by being more discrete with pricing, than so be it.

    But I do believe things will continue to evolve with respect to this topic and many others, just as they have within the past 5 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thedudeabides View Post
    Hang on WBF or AS. No need for me mep. The world has become "tribal" in too many ways. Any more hostile comments anyone? Have a good life.
    Ok, bye now.

    Honestly this is the most friendly and fair forum I have ever seen. Most people are respectful most of the time (not always ). I honestly did not see the issue he got his panties all in a wad about. I know he got bent out of shape when I called him out on the "Alternative Facts" comment. That is a phrase that I take personal and do get pissed about (just letting you all know ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Seems your beef is really with McIntosh and its general business practices.
    McIntosh was only an example. The example pretty much holds true for many companies. I used McIntosh as an example because it was in fact an example that did happen for/to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPW View Post
    I think it is likely that lack of information leads to a feeling of exclusivity for some brands. Also, some hifi brands have limited production and it is possible that they are already selling all they want to sell. The need for providing information including pricing is not of value to these brands. Much of the discourse here assumes that brands would want consumers to know more. I’m not sure that is always the case.
    Every entity that has ever sold something to anyone has always wanted the buyer to know the price. Without exception. The only discrepancy between any two transactions is when and how the seller communicates that. I still haven’t heard from any manufacturer how withholding this information up front benefits anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greystoke4 View Post
    here i England we have a distributer Absolute sounds, brings in a shed load of big name's, in hifi, and the head of this is Ricardo F,
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedudeabides View Post
    Are you talking about me?
    Of course i am. You are a troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Thanks for the kind words. The reality is that this is an important discussion to have maybe just to gauge public opinion if nothing else. That being said, regardless of what some people may want to see, the manufacturers, at the end of the day, have a different perspective and they need to do what they feel is best. If that means keeping global markets happy by being more discrete with pricing, than so be it.

    But I do believe things will continue to evolve with respect to this topic and many others, just as they have within the past 5 years.


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    Totally agree with this. As in the retail sector of any business genre there will always be the slight anomalies of said differences between online & bricks & mortar. The time it takes to demo, hear, feel, taste, etc are all relevant to the fact of companies wholesale prices as well as their "fine tuning" to their bottom line when they notice this. Long story short, as mentioned previously in this thread, a recommended retail with reference to a bricks & mortar lateral pricing plan for "their" circumstances needs to prevail. Between countries, pfft

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzr View Post
    Of course i am. You are a troll
    You are wrong bzr. He may be a person whose opinion you don't like but that is where it ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    You are wrong bzr. He may be a person whose opinion you don't like but that is where it ends.
    bzr, Brad is correct, I know Gordon personally and his opinions, like many of us here, do become overly 'passionate' at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    You are wrong bzr. He may be a person whose opinion you don't like but that is where it ends.
    Perhaps to you. But to me when someone comes onto a site & lets their emotions get the better of them resulting in denigrating comments as in the unfairness of the members & the one about this wouldn't happen on that site etc.
    I haven't been here for months & see this person as an example 3 times within 10 mins,... but hey, maybe the forest is in the way of my trees.
    By the way it's not his opinion, it's the logic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    bzr, Brad is correct, I know Gordon personally and his opinions, like many of us here, do become overly 'passionate' at times.
    That's a fair comment & one I respect in the context. I do not wish him any ill will, but, I will call a spade a spade. Internet troll - Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzr View Post
    That's a fair comment & one I respect in the context. I do not wish him any ill will, but, I will call a spade a spade. Internet troll - Wikipedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    ...But I can also understand the manufacturers perspective as they have to deal with the customer in the UK who says, “$21,600 USD in Pounds is $16,150, so why do they retail for $25,000 pounds?” There is obviously a lot more involved in terms of shipping, duties, a distributor to handle all these things, etc...
    case in point...

    over the past month i have been researching a piece of gear from a small but well know european manufacturer. they are a high-quality but low unit-volume manufacturer. in terms of online price discovery, the available sources are limited to european reviews and the e-commerce sites of european distributor/dealers.

    while their customer base is primarily european, they do have significant distribution worldwide. this mostly consists of small distributor/dealer companies who handle a few boutique brands and do all the sales their country -- i.e. no dealer network.

    having decided to go ahead with this purchase, i contacted the US distributor/dealer to begin the process and to get a price quote...

    i was astounded to learn that US pricing is at a 40% premium to european pricing (ex-VAT, currency adjusted). sure, there are incremental shipping costs relative to european deliveries -- but that is about it as both geographies have the distributor/dealer model and (based on the experience of others with other direct european purchases) there are no import duties.

    even though the additional 40% would not have been a deal killer per-se, i would have just felt foolish and a chump to proceed with the purchase... so, here is a concrete example of non-uniform and opaque pricing being the direct cause of a lost sale.

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    Isn't 40% standard markup? Maybe a European dealer is also a duel NA distributor so the product is stepped on twice. Much like most gear. EU Plant, EU Distributor, NA import Distribution, retailer to customer. Sounds more like the small company has not worked out its worldwide distribution. Or they are not that interested in the world market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Isn't 40% standard markup? Maybe a European dealer is also a duel NA distributor so the product is stepped on twice. Much like most gear. EU Plant, EU Distributor, NA import Distribution, retailer to customer. Sounds more like the small company has not worked out its worldwide distribution. Or they are not that interested in the world market?
    its a well established company, quite well known beyond the EU; US distributor/dealer is not an EU entity; apples to apple sales comparison:

    EU plant > EU country distributor/dealer > EU customer
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    EU plant > US distributor/dealer > US customer

    my potential sale is certainly immaterial to the manufacturer and to the US distributor/dealer. just pointing out a case where pricing opacity was not in the best interest of anyone involved.
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    Why do you think there is A 40% uptick in US pricing.

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    no clue really -- free market + profit motive? i could speculate further but it would be only that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    no clue really -- free market + profit motive? i could speculate further but it would be only that.
    To clarify, there is a 40% MSRP price increase in the US price over the Euro price?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    To clarify, there is a 40% MSRP price increase in the US price over the Euro price?
    yes... illustrative example:

    EU distributor/dealer retail price: 100 EUR including 20% VAT

    backing out the VAT: 100.00 / 1.20 = 83.33 EUR

    converting to USD: 83.33 * 1.21 = 100.83 USD

    so, assuming one in the US could buy directly from a EU dealer the price in USD is $100.83

    US distributor/dealer quoted price: $140.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    yes... illustrative example:

    EU distributor/dealer retail price: 100 EUR including 20% VAT

    backing out the VAT: 100.00 / 1.20 = 83.33 EUR

    converting to USD: 83.33 * 1.21 = 100.83 USD

    so, assuming one in the US could buy directly from a EU dealer the price in USD is $100.83

    US distributor/dealer quoted price: $140.00
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    note: 1.21 is the current USD/EUR exchange rate
    Ironically, it’s not much different going the other way. US products are about 40% more in Europe. For example, the $63k M2’s are approximately $102k in Europe (when currency is translated).


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    I recently purchased a new cd player, my budget was $10,000. I searched different players from 4 companies. It was quite difficult comparing the technical specs, features, type of analog output stage and prices. If all of the prices were posted it would have been a heck of a lot easier to determine the "pecking order" of each model. The one I bought was the one where the MSRP and actual prices were easy to find and the specs were clear and thorough. I still don't understand companies that make it hard to spend money with.

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    I'm for posting the prices online. I live in an audio desert. I have to drive 3 hours to the nearest brick and mortar store and then I am limited to the brands he carries. I have bought a number of items without hearing them because I have no choice. Say I am deciding between two turntables. Having to call a dealer (or two) to find out the msrp's of the tt's is a waste of my time and a waste of at least one of the dealer's time. If I can find the msrp online, then I could possibly eliminate one choice and start a conversation with the dealer who offers the one I have decided to buy.

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    IMHO the manufacturer should not be the one to publish the prices. I think the distributors and or the point of sales should publish the prices. The distributor is most often a 'local" company so they know the local prices. jus like Music 2 does Music2 analogue audio import of the Benelux and A10 Prijslijsten - A10Audio
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    I noticed that prices are published in the ads in the back of one of the British audio mags, including all their McIntosh items. Seems there are different rules for different markets.

  32. #182

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    The Audio Industry is a small little business, with some very silly little players in it. They are not sophisticated, for the most part, and are simply trying to survive. Buy something if you want and can justify... or don't, but comparing different corners of the world and their Markets is silly as well.

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    I truly sympathize with Mike. Why? Because he had to deal with me while I put in a full year of research and selecting components for my new high end audio system.

    I had been out of the high end audio hobby for 40 years. The last audio system I owned I purchased in the late '70s. I was thoroughly out of touch with high end audio systems, prices, models, brands, etc. I suffered from severe sticker shock when I started my current quest for a genuinely high end audio system. It was a year ago, this time of year, that my system was delivered after a year of pretty intense research. I even spent money to make a weekend trip to Suncoast Audio (Mike's store) to audition components. One of the most fun days of my entire life.

    I don't know how many times over that year Mike had to hear my whining about and frustration with current audio system component prices. "It costs how much??!!!" I don't know how Mike put up with me and my naivety. It had to have been very irritating for Mike. He was so patient with me.

    But I really feel for the first guy in Mike's comments above. I can totally empathize. I went through the same feelings. I ultimately found out there is a growth process you go through while doing research for new components. The longer you research the more you learn. If I had cut my research down to 6 months vs 12 months I would very likely have not been as satisfied with my new system. As it is, I LOVE my new system and couldn't be happier with it.

    But, yes, I went through the same learning curve, a little bit of sticker shock, although I found out you didn't have to spend $10,000+ to put together a great sounding system. I did spend considerably more than that but I wouldn't have had to.

    Back to the OP's post...Like most others here it would have saved me a lot of time in my research if prices had been published. It was very irritating at times as I searched for prices on components. I was almost always able to find the prices but it was sometimes time consuming and frustrating. It was often like trying to find a very carefully guarded secret. As I said, it was frustrating but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't fun. For the most part it really was fun...but frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    I truly sympathize with Mike. Why? Because he had to deal with me while I put in a full year of research and selecting components for my new high end audio system.

    I had been out of the high end audio hobby for 40 years. The last audio system I owned I purchased in the late '70s. I was thoroughly out of touch with high end audio systems, prices, models, brands, etc. I suffered from severe sticker shock when I started my current quest for a genuinely high end audio system. It was a year ago, this time of year, that my system was delivered after a year of pretty intense research. I even spent money to make a weekend trip to Suncoast Audio (Mike's store) to audition components. One of the most fun days of my entire life.

    I don't know how many times over that year Mike had to hear my whining about and frustration with current audio system component prices. "It costs how much??!!!" I don't know how Mike put up with me and my naivety. It had to have been very irritating for Mike. He was so patient with me.

    But I really feel for the first guy in Mike's comments above. I can totally empathize. I went through the same feelings. But I ultimately found out there is a growth process you go through while doing research for new components. The longer you research the more you learn. If I had cut my research down to 6 months vs 12 months I would very likely have not been as satisfied with my new system. I LOVE my new system and couldn't be happier with it.

    But, yes, I went through the same learning curve, a little bit of sticker shock, although I found out you didn't have to spend $10,000+ to put together a great sounding system. I did spend more than that but I wouldn't have had to.

    Back to the OP's post...Like most others here it would have saved me a lot of time in my research if prices had been published. It was very irritating at times as I searched for prices on components. I was almost always able to find the prices but it was certainly time consuming and frustrating at times. It was often like trying to find a very carefully guarded secret. As I said, it was frustrating but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't fun. For the most part it really was fun...but frustrating.
    Ha! You were no trouble at all and I enjoyed our day together doing shootouts.

    Agreed 100% on prices.


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    As Mike knows, I'll be returning in a few months for a good, high quality, set of headphones and a top notch HP amp. It'll be sans the sticker shock as I'm much better educated than a year or two ago. Prices on HPs and HP amps are relatively easy to find. But, I hope that manufacturers of audio components will someday see fit to abide by the preferences of their customers and publish component prices. I won't hold my breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post

    But, yes, I went through the same learning curve, a little bit of sticker shock, although I found out you didn't have to spend $10,000+ to put together a great sounding system.
    And for anyone interested in that price point, Mike can put together this

    Luxman 505UXII
    Fyne 502SPs
    Rega P6 (I have a P3)
    Some cables

    One of the best $10K systems out there and simple.

    As far as the markup and crazy pricing goes...

    Capitalism = Legal yet Immoral

    If people did not buy it, they would then have to lower the price, but the difference between Men and Boys, is the price of their Toys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    And for anyone interested in that price point, Mike can put together this

    Luxman 505UXII
    Fyne 502SPs
    Rega P6 (I have a P3)
    Some cables

    One of the best $10K systems out there and simple.

    As far as the markup and crazy pricing goes...

    Capitalism = Legal yet Immoral

    If people did not buy it, they would then have to lower the price, but the difference between Men and Boys, is the price of their Toys
    That would indeed be a killer system.
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