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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    I was especially surprised by this line....
    "Physical compact disc (CD) sales grew from $142.7 million to $205.3 million (43.9% increase) during those same periods."
    Seems the the old digital disc is alive and kicking.
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    It has to be a mistake; LPs are on the rise, not CDs.
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    Vinyl is enjoying a comeback because it became hip to buy used records for some of the youngsters but both vinyl and the compact disc are absolute ghosts of what they once were. Expressing the CD sales in millions of dollars instead of millions of units sold and claiming a 43.9% increase in sales is just bad journalism. Well, take a look. Streaming is here to stay and is the KING.


















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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    i think when we look at the last 18 months of purchases, the 800 pound gorilla is COVID and it's causation of driving consumers to optimize their personal time doing more solitary things in the home. which for some means buying more CD's. even though it's share has not grown, the net CD purchase number only rides the COVID tidal wave higher.....

    nothing to see here.....move along. no reversal of media buying trends. CD's are dead, they just don't know it.

    BTW; CD's can sound great, that's not the issue really, it's just not how we access new music anymore.

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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    i think when we look at the last 18 months of purchases, the 800 pound gorilla is COVID and it's causation of driving consumers to optimize their personal time doing more solitary things in the home. which for some means buying more CD's. even though it's share has not grown, the net CD purchase number only rides the COVID tidal wave higher.....

    nothing to see here.....move along. no reversal of media buying trends. CD's are dead, they just don't know it.

    BTW; CD's can sound great, that's not the issue really, it's just not how we access new music anymore.
    Totally agree. CDs are dead. Vinyl managed to resuscitate from the dead and show minuscule growth, but whether that’s sustainable remains to be seen.

    Streaming is IT. No surprise there.

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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    It's a temporary side effect pandemic glitch. People will eventually get a grip and return to vinyls and valves.

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    I know I’ll catch hell for this but I’m just not a fan of streaming. I’ve subscribed to Tidal and then Qobuz but just couldn’t warm up to it. I mostly listen to Vinyl and my CD’s mastered from the 80’s and early 90’s. They are also ripped to my Aurender N100H.

    The great advantage of streaming is the massive library and convenience. The sound to me is fatiguing due the brickwalled, better known as the loudness wars compression. I purchased mostly vinyl but I do on occasion buy CDs that are mastered by some of the well known engineers.

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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    Where does buying music from HDtracks, and other sites, count? It isn’t physical, and it’s not streamed.
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    Same, I have not played a CD in a very long time. I purchase records, mainly new and purchased downloads, mainly from HD Tracks. I have never warmed to the idea of streaming. I know some people think having digital music on my sever machine is streaming, but I do not agree. To me streaming is the subscription services (renting your music) and delivered through the Internet. I prefer owning my music.
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    CD sales only accounted for 4% of the music sold in in 2020 with 31 million CD's sold. But hey, I still buy them from Acoustics sounds along with LP's and yes I stream 60% of the time. I guess I can just say, who cares. Just enjoy.
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    Here is the RIAA's report from which the article derives its numbers - https://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uplo...nue-Report.pdf
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    I know I’ll catch hell for this but I’m just not a fan of streaming. I’ve subscribed to Tidal and then Qobuz but just couldn’t warm up to it. I mostly listen to Vinyl and my CD’s mastered from the 80’s and early 90’s. They are also ripped to my Aurender N100H.

    The great advantage of streaming is the massive library and convenience. The sound to me is fatiguing due the brickwalled, better known as the loudness wars compression. I purchased mostly vinyl but I do on occasion buy CDs that are mastered by some of the well known engineers.

    As always YMMV
    i disagree about streaming, it can sound very fine. but Roon and all it's conveniences do exact their toll on sound quality. if you want to hear how streaming can sound, listen to the Taiko Extreme server with the TAS (Taiko Audio System) which is a little clunky since it does not navigate as slickly and loads one track at a time, but you will get sound quality nearly equal to local files. and with high rez from Quboz it will be better than CD/SACD.

    at this point TAS is still in 'beta' and a more elegant version is on the way.

    i do enjoy all the robustness of the Roon interface and there are times when i live with the sound quality penalties to enjoy the new music exploring benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    i disagree about streaming, it can sound very fine. but Roon and all it's conveniences do exact their toll on sound quality.
    This Physical Media Sales are Booming

    I’m amazed that the folks who fuss over which cable lifters and which wall outlets to get are “just fine” with the “toll” Roon takes on sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    i disagree about streaming, it can sound very fine. but Roon and all it's conveniences do exact their toll on sound quality. if you want to hear how streaming can sound, listen to the Taiko Extreme server with the TAS (Taiko Audio System) which is a little clunky since it does not navigate as slickly and loads one track at a time, but you will get sound quality nearly equal to local files. and with high rez from Quboz it will be better than CD/SACD.

    at this point TAS is still in 'beta' and a more elegant version is on the way.

    i do enjoy all the robustness of the Roon interface and there are times when i live with the sound quality penalties to enjoy the new music exploring benefits.
    Which is all very cool, and I would love a SGM server, but at the $30,000 - $40,000 range it is not reasonable or reachable for a vast majority of audio fans. For most of us Roon does a great job. Yea, it would be nice to hear digital at its finest, it would also be nice to hear vinyl at its finest, but the $400,000 and $600,000 turntable that have been recently featured in audio magazines are not where 99.99% of us are at, let alone the 2-3 million dollar system to make it worth wild... oh, of course forget about our under multi million dollar houses, because of course they do not warranty that kind of system...

    See my point... it is all fine and dandy to say you have not heard how streaming can sound unless you get one of these.... and then, well not at all possible for a vast majority of the members of this or any audio forum.... but I agree, from everything I have read the Taiko Audio System (SGM) is one of the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Which is all very cool, and I would love a SGM server, but at the $30,000 - $40,000 range it is not reasonable or reachable for a vast majority of audio fans. For most of us Roon does a great job. Yea, it would be nice to hear digital at its finest, it would also be nice to hear vinyl at its finest, but the $400,00 and $600,000 turntable that have been recently featured in audio magazines are not where 99.99% of us are at, let alone the 2-3 million dollar system to make it worth wild... oh, of course forget about our under multi million dollar houses, because of course they do not warranty that kind of system...

    See my point... it is all fine and dandy to say you have not heard how streaming can sound unless you get one of these.... and then, well not at all possible for a vast majority of the members of this or any audio forum.... but I agree, from everything I have read the Taiko Audio System (SGM) is one of the best.
    Randy,

    agree completely. i still enjoy Roon listening, and before i had the choice of TAS, Roon was where it was at. it's not that Roon is a problem, only that when people diss streaming it needs to be pointed out that the experience and flexibility of Roon is what is holding back ultimate sound quality, not streaming itself.

    my intention was not to invalidate Roon as a way to listen.......and the Extreme is.......well......extreme as a solution.

    disc listening has it's limitations of access to millions of cuts at your fingertips, and the cost of acquisition. and fumbling with discs and transports having limited life-spans. and no access to most higher rez recordings. i know some can be accessed through SACD's and Blue Ray discs, but less and less as we go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    Randy,

    agree completely. i still enjoy Roon listening, and before i had the choice of TAS, Roon was where it was at. it's not that Roon is a problem, only that when people diss streaming it needs to be pointed out that the experience and flexibility of Roon is what is holding back ultimate sound quality, not streaming itself.

    my intention was not to invalidate Roon as a way to listen.......and the Extreme is.......well......extreme as a solution.

    disc listening has it's limitations of access to millions of cuts at your fingertips, and the cost of acquisition. and fumbling with discs and transports having limited life-spans. and no access to most higher rez recordings. i know some can be accessed through SACD's and Blue Ray discs, but less and less as we go along.
    It sounds like we agree more than disagree ... to me I am not really interested in streaming because of sound quality but for other reasons. I have a personal preference of purchasing my music, to own it so to speak. My spinner is used exclusively to rip SACD's for club members who want to put their disks on their servers, so CD purchases are really a thing of the past for me. I purchase records and high resolution downloads. I feel I am doing better by the artist and I take pride in ownership. I also already have a hard enough time deciding what to play as it is... streaming would probably be a bit overwhelming , I mean my 1500 or so albums is pushing the limit for me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Which is all very cool, and I would love a SGM server, but at the $30,000 - $40,000 range it is not reasonable or reachable for a vast majority of audio fans. For most of us Roon does a great job. Yea, it would be nice to hear digital at its finest, it would also be nice to hear vinyl at its finest, but the $400,00 and $600,000 turntable that have been recently featured in audio magazines are not where 99.99% of us are at, let alone the 2-3 million dollar system to make it worth wild... oh, of course forget about our under multi million dollar houses, because of course they do not warranty that kind of system...

    See my point... it is all fine and dandy to say you have not heard how streaming can sound unless you get one of these.... and then, well not at all possible for a vast majority of the members of this or any audio forum.... but I agree, from everything I have read the Taiko Audio System (SGM) is one of the best.
    My point: Roon is the bottleneck. Even a base Aurender bests Roon sonically.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Where does buying music from HDtracks, and other sites, count? It isn’t physical, and it’s not streamed.
    That category is “downloads” and is reflected in the chart I posted earlier.
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    Re: Physical Media Sales are Booming

    I’m perfectly fine with the sound quality of Roon and the vast world library of music it has opened up to me for a small fee together with Qobuz.

    (I’m actually a life member with Roon for some years now and it has already paid for itself)

    I can listen to virtually any artist and any album, any time of day and night.

    As far as sonic penalty… the brand new vinyl I used to buy was quite noisy and disappointing from time to time. I’m not even going to mention the used and beat up vinyl. Early digital? Fuggedabouit… My dentist made me cringe less at times.

    Nope, Roon and streaming is absolutely fine by my ears.

    I get the desire to keep purchasing and collecting physical media though. Old habits are hard to break but I did..
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    Seeing the music rotating on a platine is half the experience.
    Without that half it's tough to adapt in the dark. Romance can do that to music lovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Seeing the music rotating on a platine is half the experience.
    Without that half it's tough to adapt in the dark. Romance can do that to music lovers.

    The music no matter the format is alive. It's part of human nature.
    I still have my Technics SL-1200MKIII table. I can spin it while listening to Roon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    I still have my Technics SL-1200MKIII table. I can spin it while listening to Roon...
    I love Roon, but OUCHHHH... ... to me it is not so much watching the record spin (I know your post was tongue in cheek, but )... I really like my vinyl, but also, at times I don't feel like messing with it so I listen from the server through Roon .
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    One thing that is in favor of LP and CD is the simple fact that when you are playing them the musical experience is something where you have intention to sit down and pay attention.

    Streaming is OK but now the experience is a bit more of a commodity. I like playing new bands I've not heard of but I don't like how streaming for lack of a better expression is less involving and boring. I don't get that with LPs. I always feel a sense of loss when I hear something I like that's being streamed that I've also not heard before... will I be able to find the vinyl? Its obvious to me that streaming isn't going to be my way for a while. I've seen glitches cause entire libraries disappear much to the frustration of their owners. LPs aren't any fun to store either... nothing's perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I love Roon, but OUCHHHH... ... to me it is not so much watching the record spin (I know your post was tongue in cheek, but )... I really like my vinyl, but also, at times I don't feel like messing with it so I listen from the server through Roon .
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    Streaming as it currently exists is bad for new artists and new music. Sound quality issues aside (but they are a real concern for audiophiles) reimbursement for artists and the difficulties in obtaining exposure for an unknown musician(s) are daunting obstacles
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Streaming as it currently exists is bad for new artists and new music. Sound quality issues aside (but they are a real concern for audiophiles) reimbursement for artists and the difficulties in obtaining exposure for an unknown musician(s) are daunting obstacles
    A friend of mine has a band and despite the fact that they have not yet broken through, their music streams all over the world via Spotify, Qobuz, etc. They mentioned that they have growing fans in Europe thanks to those sites. I agree that Payment is too low (they have kept their day jobs since they do not make enough money via streaming).

    That said, a growing number of new artists are using Twitch. This is a live-streaming site where musicians play for their fans and receive donations.

    As far as streaming and new music, I believe that streaming sites are great for finding new music. Better than anything prior.

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    We should keep in mind that although Roon currently has it's drawbacks those drawbacks are likely correctable. And, over time, Roon SQ will improve. Likely with firmware updates. Roon certainly has the potential to do just that. Especially as competition becomes more keen. To Roon owners...patience.
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