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July 25, 2021, 02:10 PM #1
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Low To Mid Priced Systems
I thought it might be kinda interesting to put together your take on low to mid priced systems with low priced defined as up to $5000 and midpriced defined as up to $15,000. With this in mind what would your low and mid priced system entail? What components and what brands? Let's keep this simple and straight forward. You can use any music source/s. Headphones or no headphones.
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July 25, 2021, 07:43 PM #2
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Great idea for a thread. For the 5K system perhaps something like:
Naim Uniti Atom Music Player - $3290
Bowers & Wilkins 707 S2 Speakers - $742
Shunayta Venom Defender - $225
AQ Rocket 44 Speaker Cables - $580
App. $4837 + Tax before any discount …
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July 25, 2021, 08:58 PM #3
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And another option for the 5K and probably a better balance in the system (providing they already own a computer) would be:
Lumin M1 Integrated / streamer - 2000
B&W 703 S2 Speakers - 2000
Shunayta Venom Defender - $225
AQ Rocket 44 Speaker Cables - $580
App $4805 + tax before any discounts (which would be very small, but …)
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July 26, 2021, 06:21 AM #4
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My mid price system is in my sig and was under $15K
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July 26, 2021, 10:27 AM #5
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At both of those price points speakers and room should be 30-50% of your budget. So spending upwards to 10-20% on 'wire' would be foolish.
Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 26, 2021, 12:06 PM #6
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Amazing the level of audio quality you can achieve today with such little money.
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July 26, 2021, 12:51 PM #72chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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July 26, 2021, 02:42 PM #8
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Re: Low To Mid Priced Systems
Amplifier: Pass Labs INT 250 integrated.
DAC/Streamer: MSB Discrete Dual Power Supply.
Server: Roon Nucleus with lifetime subscription.
Speakers: Harbeth Super HL 5+ 40th Anniversary
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Headphones/Amp: Focal Stellia phones, NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition headphone amp/music player/server/streamer.
Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 speaker cables,
Mackenzie interconnects.
Speaker Stands: HiFi Man.
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July 26, 2021, 03:17 PM #9
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I'll be putting together a secondary system some day and I'm taking a hard look at Naim and the Supernait 3 along with some of their other components. Maybe an all Naim system. Not sure about speakers. There are just so many great choices. But I would take a serious look at Fyne (Might be out of my budget?), B&W, and Focal. My budget would be $10,000 to $12,000. But there is a lot more out there that is serious audiophile gear for very reasonable prices. I would like to see several different combinations in this thread. It gives me ideas for low to medium budget, high quality systems.
Amplifier: Pass Labs INT 250 integrated.
DAC/Streamer: MSB Discrete Dual Power Supply.
Server: Roon Nucleus with lifetime subscription.
Speakers: Harbeth Super HL 5+ 40th Anniversary
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Headphones/Amp: Focal Stellia phones, NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition headphone amp/music player/server/streamer.
Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 speaker cables,
Mackenzie interconnects.
Speaker Stands: HiFi Man.
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July 26, 2021, 05:13 PM #10
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Naim was a good suggestion.
One option would be the Halo integrated, Bluesound Node & remaining $2k or so for JBL 4312g or maybe a Kef R-series, not sure the pricing. If not open box the 4312g would take me over budget.
So many options for up to $15k, not sure where to startAurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
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July 26, 2021, 09:00 PM #11
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Low To Mid Priced Systems
With so many folks here with really expensive set ups I wonder how many of the guys recommending the $5k systems even heard the system that they are recommending.
I personally would not be able to name specific components. However I can share a few generic guidelines that I would follow if I was building a $5k system with MY money.
1. buy used components (that should double the purchasing power.
2. Go digital (you can’t beat digital in that price range)
3. Don’t invest in fancy (i.e., expensive) speaker cables, interconnects, power cords, or digital cables. A well-built cable will do.
4. Go streaming. Most streaming services already offer or will start offering CD-quality music. And while on the subject of streaming, there is no need to spend a thousand dollars on a streamer either! Anyone with basic computer skills can build a Raspberry Pi-based streamer for $100 bucks! (Folks will be surprised how many thousand-dollar streamers are based on a RPI computer that retail for $40).
5. Put the big bucks in the speakers and the Room (75%-80%). The amp/DAC/ streamer will take you to 98% (the amp gets the bulk of that) and you have 2% left for wires.
I don’t expect that this will work for everyone, but it certainly works for me even on systems with a much larger budget.
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July 26, 2021, 10:30 PM #12
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Re: Low To Mid Priced Systems
Well, someone woke up on the wrong side of the listening chair. And, quite presumptuous of you I must say.
I can only speak for me, I have heard what I recommended and only recommend what I'm familiar with, unless specified. As you see in my sig I own a P6 and not listed is an older HCA-750. As a kid I had some really entry level stuff, getting my first receiver at 16, so I still remember those days. Plus, I get around. I'm not a dealer or looking to buy but have attended several audio shows for the pure love of the gear and audio. Not only the upper level gear are shown, you see brands like Emotiva, Schiit, Cambridge etc.
I marvel at those who hang out on audio forums/pages with a chip on their shoulder and have to rave cheap stuff is all one needs. If that was true nothing would have motivated me to progress beyond my first receiver.
Keep telling yourself that and enjoy. If it works for you then no need for the attempts to belittle those who want better.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
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Parasound P6, MBL 8006b, Artisan speakers/subwoofer
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July 27, 2021, 08:24 AM #13
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July 27, 2021, 09:43 AM #14
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A person can really influence their system choices by looking at the used market. Instead of throwing down huge sums of money at a new component, you can find some really nice gear in the used market. My system the only thing I purchased new many years ago was my speakers and streamer.
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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July 27, 2021, 10:01 AM #15
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July 27, 2021, 10:15 AM #16
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In the under $5k category, I would suggest looking at the KEF LS50 Wireless (now in version II). If you are already a Roon user, you can simply connect them to your network and you are all set. If not, they have digital and analog inputs as well as native spotify and tidal apps. I have a pair for my second system that I really enjoy. Mine are version I and while I haven't heard version II yet, all reports are favorable.
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July 28, 2021, 12:44 PM #17
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The one thing I see over and over again is that your speakers should be 50% of your budget, your speakers should be 80% of your budget, etc., etc.
This may be true in many circumstances, but not all.
Example in point is the KEF speakers... I have read reviews for very high end components where the reviewer stated that he used his trusty LS50's when reviewing that $15k, $20k, etc. component.
I have also seen reviews where it is stated that for some speakers to truly come alive they require to be hooked up to quality power amps, many times the amplifier is more costly than the speakers.
It is really a matter of getting each component with your end results in mind. If one particular component cost more than another, oh well. It does not matter; if it functions as you need in your over all system configuration then it may very well be the perfect component for you.
In my view, which is admittedly a minority view on this forum, I do not feel I need incredibly high priced speakers. In fact my top headphones cost almost as much as both pairs of my speakers and subs combined . For my use I really love my two modest priced speakers and the reasonably priced, top notch subwoofers. I do not need to, nor desire to put oodles and gobs of money into huge fancy boxes which adds multiple times the price to speakers. In fact I very much prefer a small stand mount speaker or an open baffle design, both of which is much easier to live with in my room.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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July 28, 2021, 01:53 PM #18
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Randy, your last paragraph speaks volumes for the simple fact that your headphones are in themselves 'speakers' ! So, add them to the cost and I'll bet you're close to 50% ?
Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 28, 2021, 02:25 PM #19
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Hmmm, never figured that Dave... lets not count my secondary speakers (Magnepan's) and headphones (Audeze's) because I may sell either of these ...
Actually it is more like 20% ... including the secondary speakers and headphones and we are about 25% or so .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 28, 2021, 02:42 PM #20
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gotcha, but with both analog and digital sources that does stand to reason. Regardless, in the budgetary realm of this thread I would keep 30% as my minimum. Also, at the 5k level, myself I'd limit source to one domain, probably digital since it can be done to a higher level with a lower budget.
Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 28, 2021, 02:47 PM #21
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July 28, 2021, 03:15 PM #22McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 28, 2021, 05:07 PM #23
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That makes no sense. Especially if your goal is best sound for the money. If you have $3k speakers ad a $300.00 streamer all you get is a $300.00 sound. Granted the $300 sound will be better through a $3k speaker opposed to $300 speaker ingeneral.
You guys are killing me with this crap. It's crazy to spend 80% of a budget on speakers and feed it crap. Crap in, crap out, no matter if the speakers were $100k.
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July 28, 2021, 11:30 PM #24
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I'm one of those guys that believes there are so many outstanding components on the market that when systems are made up of certain components they will "hold their own" in SQ with systems costing twice as much. You just have to do the leg work and research and find the right combination of components. I believe such components are out there.
Amplifier: Pass Labs INT 250 integrated.
DAC/Streamer: MSB Discrete Dual Power Supply.
Server: Roon Nucleus with lifetime subscription.
Speakers: Harbeth Super HL 5+ 40th Anniversary
Model.
Headphones/Amp: Focal Stellia phones, NAIM Uniti Atom Headphone Edition headphone amp/music player/server/streamer.
Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 speaker cables,
Mackenzie interconnects.
Speaker Stands: HiFi Man.
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July 29, 2021, 12:53 AM #25
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July 29, 2021, 02:01 AM #26
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July 29, 2021, 08:46 AM #27
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Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 29, 2021, 09:49 AM #28
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Doesn't surprise me. For the price, these are insanely good. I moved into an apartment for 6 months and all I had was the LS50W during that time. I sometimes wonder why I even went back to the big rig when we moved back into a house again. Don't get me wrong, I love my big system, but it is a reflection on how good the LS50's are that we could even consider making these moves.
Morgan
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July 29, 2021, 09:51 AM #29
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OK, I'll take a shot at a $5000 system:
- Raspberry Pi 4 streamer - $150
- Topping D90SE DAC/preamp - $900
- VTV Purifi EVAL-1 amp - $1050
- Revel M106 speakers - $2000
- Rythmik L12 subwoofer - $560
- Bluejeans cables, about - $400
- TOTAL - $5060
Last edited by Feanor; July 29, 2021 at 02:29 PM. Reason: correction
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July 29, 2021, 01:56 PM #30
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Ok my take on a 5K budget system ...!
Enuff of a budget left over Streamer and cables , Blue jeans is a great choice as is Mogami ...!* An Audiophile is only as old as his latest Class D incarnation *
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July 29, 2021, 01:59 PM #31
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Henjoy ....
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July 29, 2021, 02:07 PM #32
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The Rega table and the Schitt amp certainly seem like solid choices. Maybe I am not understanding what you are suggesting, but if your speakers are $3700 a pair would that not pretty much blow your $5k budget?
McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
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July 29, 2021, 02:11 PM #33
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My little, low budget system for office/bedroom includes Kef LS50W and a Linux computer music server. This computer was replaced with Lumin Mini. If I would like to upgrade this setup, I may be interested in the baby Harbeth and an all-in-one Naim Integrated
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July 29, 2021, 02:30 PM #34
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Ok, I'll take a shot...
Great sale... Wyred 4 Sound integrated ($1299, normally $2499):
STI-v2 Series | Wyred 4 Sound
KEF Meta speakers ($1499.98):
KEF - LS50 Meta Bookshelf Speakers (Pair)
SimAudio 110LP v2 ($475) - (get from Mr. Mike):
High End Phono Preamp | 110LP Phono Preamplifier | MOON - Simaudio
Rega Planar 1 w/cartridge ($525) - (get from Mr. Mike):
Rega - Planar 1 Turntable (P1) | Shop Music Direct
Marantz ND8006 CD Player/Music Streamer ($1299):
Marantz - ND8006 CD Player/Music Streamer
Total $5097.98... you could probably get a packaged deal and get it down to $5000 .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 29, 2021, 02:40 PM #35
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July 29, 2021, 02:45 PM #36
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McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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