Jay's Audio Journey

**a.wayne** · September 10, 2021, 12:52 PM

Heard it was a pr of VAC’s

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 10, 2021, 01:08 PM

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 11, 2021, 11:01 AM

VAC STATEMENT 450 IQ & Wilson Audio Alexandria XLF! - YouTube

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 14, 2021, 08:04 AM

This is part 3 of the video series:

- YouTube

This video finalizes the "mid-tier" group amplifiers and it sets the stage for what could be a controversial video: "bottom tier" group amplifiers.

**a.wayne** · September 17, 2021, 10:40 AM

Jay’s top tier , Mid tier and now Bottom tier , Entry level sounds most appropriate here Mr Jay , after all you gotta have room for the plebs to get in ..!

**Ricky64** · September 17, 2021, 10:55 AM

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**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 19, 2021, 02:52 PM

Well, the time has come. The most anticipated video I've released this year: Power Amplifiers: My Bottom Tier Group
Video drops on Tuesday at 11am eastern time. Please subscribe and turn on your notifications so you are alerted the moment the video goes live.

Part 1: Bottom Tier Amplifiers - YouTube

**BayStBroker** · September 19, 2021, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jay's Audio Lab

Well, the time has come. The most anticipated video I've released this year: Power Amplifiers: My Bottom Tier Group
Video drops on Tuesday at 11am eastern time. Please subscribe and turn on your notifications so you are alerted the moment the video goes live.

Part 1: Bottom Tier Amplifiers - YouTube

Is this a bottom tier of favourite ampliers? Or is it Jay's list of the bottom tier of high-end priced amps to be avoided?

**nc42acc** · September 20, 2021, 09:23 AM

These are the amps that sound like shit in Jays system.

Originally Posted by BayStBroker

Is this a bottom tier of favourite ampliers? Or is it Jay's list of the bottom tier of high-end priced amps to be avoided?

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 21, 2021, 10:51 AM

Alright guys, i hope you enjoy the video that releases at 11am today
Bottom - Tier power amplifier

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

Tomorrow, I will unveil my new reference cables.

1030am EASTERN TIME
Hit the notifications and subscribe

Meet my NEW Reference Cables! - YouTube

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

Tomorrow, I will unveil my new reference cables.

1030am EASTERN TIME
Hit the notifications and subscribe

Meet my NEW Reference Cables! - YouTube

**nc42acc** · September 23, 2021, 08:57 AM

Jay will you be creating a multi level series on preamplifiers?

**Jay's Audio Lab** · September 23, 2021, 09:11 AM

Today, I will unveil my new reference cables.

10am EASTERN TIME
Hit the notifications and subscribe

Meet my NEW Reference Cables! - YouTube

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

Demo #1 of 3 is now live.As always, headphones for this one if possible. I tried hard to level match volumes and recorded things at 1am (you'll see me put the iPad in front of the camera to prove it) in order to have the least amount of AC noise.
Please vote on the poll i have posted so we can see how everyone is feeling about both presentations.
I also encourage you all to listen multiple times and not just once in order to capture what's happening. Some say to listen at different times of the day because videos sound different (try it for yourself).
Enjoy!

DEMO #1: $1,700 Rouge Audio Class D amp Versus Ultra High End Amplifier - YouTube

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

Demo #1 of 3 is now live.As always, headphones for this one if possible. I tried hard to level match volumes and recorded things at 1am (you'll see me put the iPad in front of the camera to prove it) in order to have the least amount of AC noise.
Please vote on the poll i have posted so we can see how everyone is feeling about both presentations.
I also encourage you all to listen multiple times and not just once in order to capture what's happening. Some say to listen at different times of the day because videos sound different (try it for yourself).
Enjoy!

DEMO #1: $1,700 Rouge Audio Class D amp Versus Ultra High End Amplifier - YouTube

**nc42acc** · October 3, 2021, 12:57 PM

Hey Jay do you know if that Rouge is ICE, Hypex or Purifi based? Thanks

**Elberoth** · October 3, 2021, 01:44 PM

All use Hypex modules:

NC500 in their hi-end stuff:
http://www.rogueaudio.com/Images/Draginsidemed.jpg

UcD180 in budget integrated:
http://www.rogueaudio.com/Images/Sphinx3insidemed.jpg

**nc42acc** · October 3, 2021, 01:46 PM

Check your spelling.

Amplifier | Rouge Audio Design | Roma

Originally Posted by Elberoth

All use Hypex modules:

NC500 in their hi-end stuff:
http://www.rogueaudio.com/Images/Draginsidemed.jpg

UcD180 in budget integrated:
http://www.rogueaudio.com/Images/Sphinx3insidemed.jpg

**Elberoth** · October 3, 2021, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Hey Jay do you know if that Rogue is ICE, Hypex or Purifi based? Thanks

You have asked for Rogue.

**nc42acc** · October 3, 2021, 01:51 PM

Checked MY spelling. Fixed

Originally Posted by Elberoth

You have asked for Rogue.

**SCAudiophile** · October 3, 2021, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by nc42acc

Hey Jay do you know if that Rouge is ICE, Hypex or Purifi based? Thanks

Amplifier | Rouge Audio Design | Roma

Looks like they have models which leverage various board designs from all 3 plus Anaview depending upon the model.

This Italian company seems to have a lot of great things going on.

Google is pre-biased towards sending people to "Rogue" Audio on searches for "Rouge" Audio.

I love the comments by various people of the form...."Presentation X is <list of negative attributes...> MUST BE THE DIGITAL AMP"....

When will they ever learn?

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 4, 2021, 11:10 AM

Demo # 2: Rouge Audio Class D Amp Versus Ultra-High-End Amplifier! - YouTube

**nc42acc** · October 4, 2021, 12:25 PM

Hey Jay are you going to release the details of the amplifiers at the end of this experiment?

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 4, 2021, 08:03 PM

The class A amp may never be disclosed on my channel. The class D amp amp is this:

Amplifier | Rouge Audio Design | Roma

**nc42acc** · October 4, 2021, 08:12 PM

Jay I know you have no love for class D but there are three major amp modules this company offers. ICE, Hypex and Purifi. From my experience they all three are sonically different. Knowing what you are representing in your video would be helpful. Thanks

Originally Posted by Jay's Audio Lab

The class A amp may never be disclosed on my channel. The class D amp amp is this:

Amplifier | Rouge Audio Design | Roma

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 4, 2021, 08:13 PM

ICE module

**nc42acc** · October 4, 2021, 08:14 PM

Thank you Jay.

Originally Posted by Jay's Audio Lab

ICE module

**bluegrassphile** · October 5, 2021, 09:05 AM

Just watched the Youtube regarding Pass Labs products.....Ouch!! It was a bit painful as I'm a big Pass Labs fan. But, it's like you said, Jay, it's just an opinion. And unless I'm wrong, most of your comments were directed at the higher end components (separates) of the Pass Labs line.

When I was putting together my system I auditioned seven different amps before deciding on the INT 250. I actually auditioned the INT 60 but wanted a little more power. And the INT 60 and INT 250 sound very similar. In addition to the INT 60 the amps I auditioned included the Gryphon D300, VAC i170, Hegel H390, Moon/Simaudio 340 ix, NAIM Supernait 3, and Luxman 509X. BTW, I noticed you really liked the INT 250 on an earlier Youtube video.

It's always been interesting to me how different ears hear things differently. I sincerely mean that. But I couldn't be happier with my INT 250. I think it's an awesome sounding amp. I plan on keeping it for a very long time. It has outstanding synergy with my Harbeth Super HL 5+ 40th Anniversary speakers.

But I have high respect for your opinions. You've been at this game a whole lot longer than me. Keep up the good work, Jay. I really enjoy your videos. I've learned from them.

FWIW, I included a link below to a fairly recent review of the Pass Labs INT 250. IMHO, I thought Steve Huff was pretty much dead on with his comments. Very positive review on both the INT 250 and INT 25.

https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2021/...nt-250-review/

**Ritmo** · October 5, 2021, 09:36 AM

Absolutely nothing wrong with Pass Audio gear. Typically great sounding at its various price points. Extremely reliable with excellent customer service. Enjoy your system!

**Mike** · October 5, 2021, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Absolutely nothing wrong with Pass Audio gear. Typically great sounding at its various price points. Extremely reliable with excellent customer service. Enjoy your system!

Agreed. Damn great stuff at a fair price from a fabulous company with world class customer service and made in America.

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**SCAudiophile** · October 5, 2021, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jay's Audio Lab

The class A amp may never be disclosed on my channel. The class D amp amp is this:

Amplifier | Rouge Audio Design | Roma

Suggestion: regardless of the result you should show both amps that you are asking people to compare and that you are making statements about.

Why would you not disclose the amp (or could in fact be 'amps') that are currently concealed, that you are stating is Class A?

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 6, 2021, 05:09 PM

Ok guys
Here’s the final demo which includes the Soulution 725 preamp.
It’s been hard to do this but fun at the same time. My raw thoughts to come later this week.

FINAL DEMO: Rouge Audio versus Ultra High End Amplifier!! - YouTube

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 6, 2021, 05:10 PM

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**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 6, 2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

Suggestion: regardless of the result you should show both amps that you are asking people to compare and that you are making statements about.

Why would you not disclose the amp (or could in fact be 'amps') that are currently concealed, that you are stating is Class A?

Because i can...

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 6, 2021, 05:12 PM

Ok guys
Here’s the final demo which includes the Soulution 725 preamp.
It’s been hard to do this but fun at the same time. My raw thoughts to come later this week.

https://youtu.be/oYtp3f5lw5Q

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

My comments are coming soon. The video is almost 30 min long ( i did not want to do a 2 part video of 15 min each) so PLEASE watch the entire thing. If you skip, you will miss on a lot of information and small details i did not disclose on here. You cant get finger happy and scroll around or you will miss things. DO NOT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU!
Set aside 30 min and watch it.

video drops today at 1:15 PM EASTERN TIME

Jay's take on Rouge audio: Did it win????? - YouTube

**gadawg** · October 8, 2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jay's Audio Lab

Because i can...

I’ve really enjoyed your channel .. up until now. Any success you are having is because of your viewers and when someone asks you a genuine question that most of us are wondering about and you respond like that … well why did I unsubscribe you may ask??? Because I can! LOL

George

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 8, 2021, 08:01 AM

It's fine - not easy to do what i do.

**a.wayne** · October 8, 2021, 08:34 AM

Jay is heading for Top Tier Reviewer status , because he can ... !

**TheOctopus** · October 8, 2021, 01:25 PM

Entertaining but I can't appreciate any difference in the videos with my computer speakers.

The budget amp sounds just as good as the mystery amp to my ears over my computer speakers LOL...

Jay, keep it up, people love being guided and their opinions shaped. Psychology 101

**TheGemState** · October 8, 2021, 05:36 PM

Thru my phone using bluetooth ear buds I heard a difference in all 3 demos. I voted and preferred the high end amps (not knowing which was which at the time). 3 for 3. In demo 1 and 2 the difference was obvious to me. On the 3rd, I had to go back and forth a few times but started to pick up on the differences.

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**crwilli** · October 8, 2021, 08:29 PM

Very clear difference in all three demos via my Apple Ear Buds / IPhone.

Not being lead anywhere except where my ears and wallet take me.

My thanks Jay for your efforts.

**TheOctopus** · October 8, 2021, 09:32 PM

So which of the amps is closest to what the recording engineer heard when he mixed, tweaked and finalized the recording?

**crwilli** · October 8, 2021, 09:43 PM

What’s your point?

I liked what I heard from the Class A amplifier and picked it correctly 3 times. It sounded ‘right’ e.g. better to me.

**TheOctopus** · October 8, 2021, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by crwilli

What’s your point?

I liked what I heard from the Class A amplifier and picked it correctly 3 times. It sounded ‘right’ e.g. better to me.

I have a Class A amp but it sounds very different with my Harbeth than it would sound driving Wilson speakers and I’m sure your speakers as well as the recording studio monitors. My point always was and always will be that there is no absolute reference point and never was. Perhaps someday someone will invent a fideliometer and at the press of the button it will gauge the response against a “standard” and even give out percent accuracy score points… But until that day, it’s all how we perceive these concepts of components and pretend as if they exist outside the realm of system and room interaction and synergy. They don’t.

On the Entertainment value front, Jay delivers and as long as too many feathers don’t get ruffled as opinions are dispensed, it will all be OK for a while

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 8, 2021, 10:19 PM

Thank you guys. I love to see you all collaborate and give me your feedback. I do this because i love it and being able to share this with you all makes this more enjoyable.
I have more tricks up my sleeve and more components coming.
Notice how i am now living with most of my gear for months before i move on. I give equipment a fair shot and this is something I didn't do before. Lesson learned!

**crwilli** · October 9, 2021, 06:24 AM

This exercise asked the question “Which presentation sounds better to you?”. It was not trying to find an absolute reference or a higher meaning.

**nc42acc** · October 9, 2021, 09:49 AM

Train wreck, just can’t look away.

High entertainment value, low on substance.

**Jay's Audio Lab** · October 9, 2021, 10:01 AM

I think that the show "60 minutes" on NBC might be the show you need. Have you looked into that?
I hear they have a ton of substance.

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