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March 25, 2015, 11:46 AM #1
"Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
I was getting ready to purchase some Sistrum SP101 platforms for my Marantz mono blocks, and thought I would start a thread with 3 questions to gain insights from fellow Sharksters, and to generally open up Pandora's box and share how my obsessive-compulsive disposition knows no bounds. Feel fee to comment on any or all:
1. To drain or not to drain that is the question. Sistrum and other brands stand for (pun intended) channeling and draining vibrations ....... versus capturing, dampening and dissipating (eg conversion of vibrations into heat). Cork, stillpoints, SRA, constrained layers etc I believe espouse the latter. IS ONE STRATEGY BETTER THAN THE OTHER FOR ANY GIVEN USE OR DO THEY HAVE EQUAL MERITS?
2. I have symposium platforms and devices, ceraballs, stillpoints SS and minis and ultra 5s, naim frame base, SRA, maple butcher blocks with spikes, Air Tight graphite blocks, brass weights, vibrapods, HRS platform for AMGv12, Quadraspire racks, cork platforms, and the list goes on. WHAT DO YOU USE AND WHAT EFFECTS GOOD AND/OR BAD DO THE ISOLATION PRODUCTS BRING TO THE PARTY?(eg X lowers the noise floor but robs a little of the dynamics).
3. HAVE YOU FOUND A PERFECT COMBO (eg, ULTRA 5s UNDER TURNTABLE ON TOP OF SYMPOSIUM ULTRA)?
Also, if anyone has personal experience with Sistrum please comment.
Cheers,
DarrinLast edited by Dpod4; March 25, 2015 at 12:50 PM.
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March 27, 2015, 06:26 PM #2
Re: "Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
Feeling all alone
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March 27, 2015, 07:09 PM #3
Re: "Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
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First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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April 11, 2015, 09:20 PM #4
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Re: "Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
Sorry for the late reply - I have been using Sistrum Apprentice XL platforms under my Salon 2s since January. I liked them there so much that last month I put another pair under my Kraft 250 monos - and then promptly caught a cold that blocked my ears for three weeks! So had to wait for my ears to clear before making any conclusions. And also had to learn what differences my new CD player was making. This was followed up by my moving my speakers further out into the room, once I realized the bass was significantly improved by the CDP so I could live with less corner reinforcement and let the speakers have more room to breathe. Then I pulled the stock cord off the new CDP and put a Furutech one on, and realized additional low end oomph as well as a little softening of the treble, or maybe that's just the player breaking in...
So anyway, a lot of change to process once my ears cleared last week. What I can say is that just as they did under the speakers, the Apprentice XLs further improved low-end punch and impact, macro and micro-dynamics, image presentation, clarity and detail. The overall effect is a better illusion of actual musicians in the room, and the price to performance ratio in terms of my overall system is beyond impressive.
I do think the impact was a bit greater under the speakers than the amps, but I'll be keeping both pairs where they are and will start thinking about putting my sources and pre on Sistrum platforms as a next step. Because this Star Sound stuff works, end of story!
Pete's system:
Speakers: Revel Salon 2
Amplifier: Symphonic Line Kraft 250 Monos
Pre-Amplifier: Symphonic Line "The Enlightenment" Tube w/Telefunken E88CC and Mullard CV2492
Source: Symphonic Line Belcanto CDP w/Turbo power supply and optional DAC; Ayre C5xeMP
Cabling: Furutech (custom and stock)
Speaker and Amp Platforms: Star Sound Sistrum Apprentice XLs
Bank Account: Drained
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April 11, 2015, 09:48 PM #5
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Re: "Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
Acknowledging that there are many different, equally meritorious approaches to isolation, I use relatively inexpensive (in high end terms) Taoc ASR series racks with upgraded FE Cerabase Classic feet, including a heavy Taoc SCB-RS50g shelf for my cdp to provide a stable, flexible platform for my equipment & to provide a base level of isolation. Then I use 3 sets of (4) Stillpoints Ultra 6's with Ultra bases under my amp, cdp & power conditioner, 4 Ultra Mini's under my Oppo BDP-103 & Ultra LPI's on my amp, cdp & Oppo. To me, that is spending money where it's most effective. Later on, once my system is finished, I might get a 4 and 2 shelf Rix Rax Hoodoo racks like the one below, however that would be mainly for the looks as the Stillpoints would be doing most the work.
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April 11, 2015, 10:49 PM #6
Re: "Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
Tea boxes. Korean tea boxes, to be precise.
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April 12, 2015, 01:34 AM #7
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Thx for replies. I put the Marantz monos on sistrum sp101 amp stands. I agree with observations - better bass and micro/macro dynamics and image presentation.
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April 12, 2015, 09:45 AM #8
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Just for thought. I really think the choice for isolation depends on what type of floor construction you have. A support wood framed floor or a hard concrete slab. Then you need to determine what type of floor is under your equipment
; wood flooring, tile, carpet over wood, carpet over tile, carpet over concrete, tile over concrete and tile over wood.2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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April 12, 2015, 10:13 AM #9
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Agree with CPP's post, I had 3 platforms under my MBL equipment sitting on an A/V wood credenza a few years back. The bass lost body and impact along with unfocused treble, the negative effects were not subtle. Of course the Credenza probably played a role as it was not a stable or suitable surface. They sure looked great however, Harmonix products seem to work much better for me in this case.
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April 12, 2015, 11:23 AM #10
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I prefer not to have to look at large interconnects behind my gear so awhile back I swapped out racks for a "credenza" and then placed my components on HRS Isolation platforms. This addresses both of my issues.
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D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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April 12, 2015, 11:26 AM #11
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I love seeing people's setups especially these posts where the audio equipment and actual rooms look amazing too
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April 12, 2015, 11:31 AM #12
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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April 12, 2015, 11:35 AM #13
"Isolation" Stands / Platforms Compared
So to CPP's thoughtful post, my dedicated audio room is on second floor. Carpet over what I assume is plywood flooring. I am putting Magico speakers on Ultra 5s beveled face facing floor. I have the Marantz monos on Sistrum SP101s and tried like crazy to make sure large spikes went thru carpet and pad. I could have the sistrum spikes facing the floor sit on stillpoints if draining isn't occurring thru the carpet. I have amg v12 table sitting on HRS custom platform that sits on symposium ultra that sits on top bamboo quadraspire rack. Will have my spiral groove sit on top a symposium ultra that will go on top of a reconfigured SRA vr3.0 platform that will sit on top quadraspire rack. Other equipment will sit on stillpoints and cerabase the that sit on svelte symposium that sit on quadraspire, or straight on quadraspire, although for new Marantz sacd player I could reconfigure a SRA vr3.0 for it to sit on. Welcome any thoughts. I feel like I am trying to use what I have in a kluge manner and don't want competing technologies or unnecessary overkill. I also have a zoethecus z block 2 amp stand I could use (pix below) for monoblocks if I could find a matching one.
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