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January 17, 2023, 12:06 PM #51
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
They seek out vids and posts they believe spreads the "evil snake oil" and that we are "forcing people to buy products that don't work" then send their repeated nasty and derogatory messages and posts. The stuff they send in the messages frankly shows the mentality of these people.
I've learned there is no talking with them and to just block them from the start. These people who send these message (not the ones who have a normal adult conversation whom I respect their differing opinion) get REALLY angry at these vids posts and are convinced they are somehow victims."We are all billionaires because of the huge piles sweet dough rolling in from our participation in the ongoing campaign to suck your collective brains through a stirrer-straw." - PTA Editorial Staff
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January 17, 2023, 12:33 PM #52
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
This guy thinks me liking a $30 switch is an expensive ripoff.
They don't even watch the vids - the cable denying trolls are just out to spread misery and anger.
Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 10.32.10 AM.png"We are all billionaires because of the huge piles sweet dough rolling in from our participation in the ongoing campaign to suck your collective brains through a stirrer-straw." - PTA Editorial Staff
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January 17, 2023, 01:03 PM #53
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
Deep insecurity fearing it all unravels when "Trust ears, just listen" of course.
Btw, like Mike, I've done my own analog cable test on believers (unbeknownst to them), though probably on a much larger scale. Same results. Fun stuff.😊
Pretty sure the thread was about Digital cables though, presumably not broken.
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January 17, 2023, 01:11 PM #54
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January 17, 2023, 01:21 PM #55
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January 17, 2023, 01:21 PM #56
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"We are all billionaires because of the huge piles sweet dough rolling in from our participation in the ongoing campaign to suck your collective brains through a stirrer-straw." - PTA Editorial Staff
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January 17, 2023, 01:25 PM #57
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Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
well michael, you are posting videos with strange content to the public, so what do you expect?
(strange content to thouse who didnt try or do not care or generally are against anything)
also, whatever you say will find pro and contra people. you could have said there is no difference for example
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January 17, 2023, 02:32 PM #58
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Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
I guess one may as well ask the question "Why be open minded?"
Personally, I'm never so sure of my own experience (or expertise) to think I can't be wrong. Nor do I want to close myself off from alternative viewpoints. Otherwise we are practicing a form of dogmatism, right? We can end up retreating to echo-chambers were our beliefs will only be re-enforced.
I mean, that certainly is a common human inclination. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good one. :-)
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January 17, 2023, 03:29 PM #59
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
I know a place you can go to correct that.
Btw, as I linked earlier, it also possible for both "sides" to be both right and both wrong at the same time. But just lack ability to understand why.
Since you're new here, I actually advocate for audiophiles to buy whatever cables, amps, lifters, DACs, etc that pleases them most, regardless of price, ridiculousness, contentiousness, "street cred", etc, etc.
Because in the end, we don't "just listen/trust ears" when we sit back and queue up that tune. Under those circumstances, all senses must be pleased. By all means, do. The science is unequivocal there.
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January 17, 2023, 03:42 PM #60
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
I thought you and MottTheHoople were both members of the Amir fan club known as ASR. Aren't you both singing from the same sheet of music?
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January 17, 2023, 05:18 PM #61
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Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
No. To me, those are the real "audio fools"!
It´s not a personal question but if this person denies what I say that I hear just because he doesn't listen, then, Yes!
I have never seen an UFO. Should i go to an UFO forum and tell anyone who has seen one that they are wrong and paranoid?
Even if only one person sees a “phenomenon” it does not mean that it is not true.
There are lots of guys on you tube who guarantee that cables do not make any difference (AC cables by the way) but they never heard them. They just measured!!
What have you made to search that "good evidence"? Do you try to listen our just read some white paper?
Yes. His "science" can´t make me have better sound so, i´m not interested!
Yes and no. They surely know a lot about electronics, but they don´t know nothing about "audio". What they do is to fit the "phenomenon" in their knowledge. They don´t try to find if the phenomenon is real. Since they have no explanation, they simply denie that possibility. The opposite of what real science (should) do.
That is another question. I have no doubt that there is a lot of snake oil in (some) marketing claims.
Me too, I hope you are wrong.
And I hope that all we live enough to "see" real science discover the truth behind these strange things on audio.
Of course. So easy to listen!
External transmission line project?
To prevent this hobby from dying. At least for now because I think it will only be a matter of time. The deniers like to have the last word and leave the statement of their principles in the air and this misleads many more people (namely new people). Although we live in a hypercomplex society, it is clear that people are trying to simplify everything. From politics to everything else. Contrary to true scientific thinking and true knowledge, each person asserts his truth as finished and unassailable. Science is elevated to the place of God, but a lesser God who explains nothing because he knows nothing. Nietzsche said that everything was up for debate, even taste! Today, no way because everything has to be parameterized and according to the rules or it is considered deviant. Minimal thought.
Remember that "What we know is a drop, what we don´t know is an ocean!"
Cheers to all of you!
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January 17, 2023, 06:28 PM #62
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
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January 17, 2023, 07:01 PM #63
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
Thats strange , you’re a big class D fan like Amir , matching technical prowess scares him I guess ..!
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January 18, 2023, 09:28 AM #64
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
Back when I was a frequent audio show visitor I would notice some of these problems in exhibitors' systems (only a few, but really there shouldn't have been any). To be fair, even if the exhibitor hadn't noticed it prior to my mentioning a problem, he/she was usually quick to identify the source of the problem and correct it. As to why other attendees hadn't already noticed and commented on whatever the problem was I have no idea (but I'll bet AJ does
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January 18, 2023, 09:31 AM #65
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
It's because Amir has poor audio processing abilities, unlike you. As a related question, who here would buy a system from Amir (realizing that his focus is on A/V rather than pure audio)?
Please remember that despite its name, ASR doesn't actually involve science, only measurements (which are meaningful only when compared to other measurements; there is nothing scientific about this)Rob
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January 18, 2023, 09:42 AM #66
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
Evidently my talking about the difference in sound between $30 mass market switches and which of the $10 ethernet cables sounded the best is STILL too much for these people:
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January 18, 2023, 10:03 AM #67
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
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January 18, 2023, 10:25 AM #68
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January 18, 2023, 10:38 AM #69
Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
I know, right?
It's OK if they can't hear a difference. But notice how they act - that people with hearing / high end system are evil scammers and need to be called out.
They can never live their lives in peace and respect other opinions. Instead they go around trying to pick fights. Typically they won't leave one comment - they will then go bomb with 10, 12, and 15 comments on the vids within 2 minutes.
And they will never, ever stop until you admit you are wrong but they do it in the name of being "open minded". If they were so open minded, why can't they just leave us alone and respect our opinions instead of having their own crusade of self righteousness?"We are all billionaires because of the huge piles sweet dough rolling in from our participation in the ongoing campaign to suck your collective brains through a stirrer-straw." - PTA Editorial Staff
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January 18, 2023, 01:43 PM #70
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Re: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"
Who cares what Robert Pedroza thinks?
“Tranquility…comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.” - Marcus Aurelius
We covered this ground yesterday. Let's move on to more productive actions e.g. seeking new data (Data. NOT supposition or opinions), appropriate analysis of said data, and thus, obtain INSIGHT about ACTIONS we can take to achieve our AIMS.
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January 18, 2023, 02:00 PM #71
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"We are all billionaires because of the huge piles sweet dough rolling in from our participation in the ongoing campaign to suck your collective brains through a stirrer-straw." - PTA Editorial Staff
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