Thread: Interesting info re: digital cable "deniers"

Originally Posted by u-sound

why waste your time with deniers if you are sure about your own experience?

They seek out vids and posts they believe spreads the "evil snake oil" and that we are "forcing people to buy products that don't work" then send their repeated nasty and derogatory messages and posts. The stuff they send in the messages frankly shows the mentality of these people.

I've learned there is no talking with them and to just block them from the start. These people who send these message (not the ones who have a normal adult conversation whom I respect their differing opinion) get REALLY angry at these vids posts and are convinced they are somehow victims.

This guy thinks me liking a $30 switch is an expensive ripoff.

They don't even watch the vids - the cable denying trolls are just out to spread misery and anger.

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Originally Posted by u-sound

why waste your time with deniers if you are sure about your own experience?

Deep insecurity fearing it all unravels when "Trust ears, just listen" of course.
Btw, like Mike, I've done my own analog cable test on believers (unbeknownst to them), though probably on a much larger scale. Same results. Fun stuff.😊
Pretty sure the thread was about Digital cables though, presumably not broken.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

“Tranquility…comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.” - Marcus Aurelius, advocate of Stoicism.

For sure. I couldn't care less what they or the snark-bots on forums think (gotta love the block feature).

I post it as an interesting footnote on the anger of these deniers and how they seek out conflict as trolls.

Originally Posted by MattHooper

Personally, I'm never so sure of my own experience (or expertise) to think I can't be wrong.

I know a place you can go to correct that.
Btw, as I linked earlier, it also possible for both "sides" to be both right and both wrong at the same time. But just lack ability to understand why.
Since you're new here, I actually advocate for audiophiles to buy whatever cables, amps, lifters, DACs, etc that pleases them most, regardless of price, ridiculousness, contentiousness, "street cred", etc, etc.
Because in the end, we don't "just listen/trust ears" when we sit back and queue up that tune. Under those circumstances, all senses must be pleased. By all means, do. The science is unequivocal there.

cheers,

AJ

I thought you and MottTheHoople were both members of the Amir fan club known as ASR. Aren't you both singing from the same sheet of music?

Originally Posted by mep

I thought you and MottTheHoople were both members of the Amir fan club known as ASR. Aren't you both singing from the same sheet of music?

Wow, you're dinosaur aging yourself there Mark, MottTheHoople!, haven't heard that one in a while. Nope, I've invited Amir several times to attend audio shows where I was exhibiting, but he said I scared him. Go figure.

Thats strange , you’re a big class D fan like Amir , matching technical prowess scares him I guess ..!

Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield

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The flip side is that I've personally heard hundreds of audiophile systems. Folks who can hear everything under the sun, but not out of phase speakers, non functional drivers, booming bass modes, distortions, hiss, snap, crackle, pop, etc. etc. If that makes me a Denier, guilty as charged!
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AJ

Back when I was a frequent audio show visitor I would notice some of these problems in exhibitors' systems (only a few, but really there shouldn't have been any). To be fair, even if the exhibitor hadn't noticed it prior to my mentioning a problem, he/she was usually quick to identify the source of the problem and correct it. As to why other attendees hadn't already noticed and commented on whatever the problem was I have no idea (but I'll bet AJ does )

Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield

Wow, you're dinosaur aging yourself there Mark, MottTheHoople!, haven't heard that one in a while. Nope, I've invited Amir several times to attend audio shows where I was exhibiting, but he said I scared him. Go figure.

It's because Amir has poor audio processing abilities, unlike you. As a related question, who here would buy a system from Amir (realizing that his focus is on A/V rather than pure audio)?

Please remember that despite its name, ASR doesn't actually involve science, only measurements (which are meaningful only when compared to other measurements; there is nothing scientific about this)

Evidently my talking about the difference in sound between $30 mass market switches and which of the $10 ethernet cables sounded the best is STILL too much for these people:

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Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

Evidently my talking about the difference in sound between $30 mass market switches and which of the $10 ethernet cables sounded the best is STILL too much for these people:

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Let’s see his system and see him list his experience A/B’ing different switches.


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Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

Evidently my talking about the difference in sound between $30 mass market switches and which of the $10 ethernet cables sounded the best is STILL too much for these people:

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What is the penalty for violating the audiophile code of ethics? Where do people even dream up this rhetoric?

Originally Posted by Audio 1

What is the penalty for violating the audiophile code of ethics? Where do people even dream up this rhetoric?

I know, right?

It's OK if they can't hear a difference. But notice how they act - that people with hearing / high end system are evil scammers and need to be called out.

They can never live their lives in peace and respect other opinions. Instead they go around trying to pick fights. Typically they won't leave one comment - they will then go bomb with 10, 12, and 15 comments on the vids within 2 minutes.

And they will never, ever stop until you admit you are wrong but they do it in the name of being "open minded". If they were so open minded, why can't they just leave us alone and respect our opinions instead of having their own crusade of self righteousness?

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Who cares what Robert Pedroza thinks?

“Tranquility…comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.” - Marcus Aurelius

We covered this ground yesterday. Let's move on to more productive actions e.g. seeking new data (Data. NOT supposition or opinions), appropriate analysis of said data, and thus, obtain INSIGHT about ACTIONS we can take to achieve our AIMS.

Simply an observation that it's not about 'price' in their daily crusade as they so often claim but just even the concept in general. No worries - I deleted the 14 messages he sent.