I call out Stealth Cables and Apology to Cable Deniers....

stereogeek said:
I will call it for what it really is......cables are tone controls. Don't believe me? Come over....Cheers.
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I think that IF a cable were changing the sound, then it would be a tone control. Fairly amazing how much money some audiophiles will pay for making a wire a tone control (and in many cases I think they are likely paying for their imagination :-) )
 
MattHooper said:
I think that IF a cable were changing the sound, then it would be a tone control. Fairly amazing how much money some audiophiles will pay for making a wire a tone control (and in many cases I think they are likely paying for their imagination :-) )
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OR Maybe the cables are making the system more neutral, sounds like you are an expert on the matter. with your thought than all of our systems have tone controls since they are all wired one way or another
 
Porsche said:
OR Maybe the cables are making the system more neutral,
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Either way it would be a tone control - whether it makes a system more or less neutral, right?

Porsche said:
sounds like you are an expert on the matter.
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I work in pro sound, but I'm not an expert in electronics. So I take seriously what experts say on the matter (and generally not the ones trying to sell me their product).

Porsche said:
with your thought than all of our systems have tone controls since they are all wired one way or another
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No, because as I said, I think in many cases the cables are not altering the sound. Cables and electronic transmission are not new technology, we've been using them for over a century. The theory and practice is well understood among the relevant experts.

Audiophile companies wanting to sell you multi-thousand dollar cables (a product sector that has among the highest mark up) will of course tell you differently.
 
Interconnects are RLC tone controls , you can measure them and this will tell you what they will do when connected , more bass , less highs etc ..

Noise transmission or lack thereof is another deal all together ..!
 
MattHooper said:
Either way it would be a tone control - whether it makes a system more or less neutral, right?



I work in pro sound, but I'm not an expert in electronics. So I take seriously what experts say on the matter (and generally not the ones trying to sell me their product).



No, because as I said, I think in many cases the cables are not altering the sound. Cables and electronic transmission are not new technology, we've been using them for over a century. The theory and practice is well understood among the relevant experts.

Audiophile companies wanting to sell you multi-thousand dollar cables (a product sector that has among the highest mark up) will of course tell you differently.
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im glad your system is wire with zip cord for speakers and $2 interconnects, enjoy
 
Porsche said:
im glad your system is wire with zip cord for speakers and $2 interconnects, enjoy
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Yeah, that's a pretty typical response. Just the type of snobbery and "price shaming" that gives audiophiles a bad name. Well done.

(And of course you have no idea what cables I've had...and still have...in my system...)
 
MattHooper said:
Yeah, that's a pretty typical response. Just the type of snobbery and "price shaming" that gives audiophiles a bad name. Well done.

(And of course you have no idea what cables I've had...and still have...in my system...)
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Matt, I had a good laugh at the kids response, doubt if he even knows who Georg Ohm is.............. :D
 
MattHooper said:
Yeah, that's a pretty typical response. Just the type of snobbery and "price shaming" that gives audiophiles a bad name. Well done.

(And of course you have no idea what cables I've had...and still have...in my system...)
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snobbery, price shaming, not at all, use whatever you want. however, pot meet kettle, who are the one talking about cables are tone controls and " Fairly amazing how much money some audiophiles will pay for making a wire a tone control (and in many cases I think they are likely paying for their imagination :-) , I'm not an audiophile, I do not audition equipment and a/b shit all day long, I like great sound and what I have works for me but I do not need to hear from you or anyone else how I may be "imagining" what I hear
 
Porsche said:
snobbery, price shaming, not at all, use whatever you want.
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Of course it was the typical snobbery and price shaming. It was what it was.


Porsche said:
however, pot meet kettle, who are the one talking about cables are tone controls
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It was stereogeek who said they were tone controls. I only pointed out that IF a cable is changing the sound (and often changes in highs, mids, bass are ascribed to cables), then yes that can be seen as a sort of tone control. What is incorrect about that?



Porsche said:
I'm not an audiophile,
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Oh c'mon. Your equipment is listed right under your name! Regular old music lovers don't buy that type of gear and hang out on audio forums ;-)


Porsche said:
I do not audition equipment and a/b shit all day long, I like great sound and what I have works for me but I do not need to hear from you or anyone else how I may be "imagining" what I hear
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Ok so you want to ignore, or not learn, common scientific facts about human perception. I didn't say YOU are imagining sonic differences. But the fact is you COULD be imagining sonic differences with your cables. Why get upset about facts concerning how our brains work?

I have experience finding out I imagined sonic differences, and experience seeing other people imagine differences that weren't there. Personally, I find that educational, not a threat to my ego or psyche or enjoyment of audio. But if someone has staked their reputation (e.g. a reviewer), or just their buying habits or self-perception as a listener on assuming what they hear is always true, I guess facts like that are perceived as some sort of insult...which really is a misunderstanding.
 
Shadowfax said:
I agree, even with lower end cables. You want Bright, PBJs. You want Bass, Groneburg
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Boy that's SO true about the PBJ's. One time on a lark, I got a pair of PBJ's and Hero's of the same length, and WOW there was a huge difference, immediately noticed and undeniable. While the PBJ's sounded exciting at first, when I got agitated with them rather quickly and swapped in the Hero's, I immediately appreciated how much more natural - and far BETTER - the Hero's sounded.

Call it what you will: cables as tone controls, or cables not capable of doing anything positive but capable of doing varying negative things, etc... Whatever you call it, a system with one set at a time of different cables swapped in, all other things being equal, definitely CAN (and quite often DOES) sound different. And this particular experiment compared cables not too far off in cost and toward the budget end of the cable spectrum. I can only imagine comparing PBJ's to TOTL Kimber, Shunyata, AQ, or Stealth cables....
 
Porsche said:
seriously, you have no idea who I am, kid, grow up
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LOL, so tell me, who are you ? What kind of engineering / science degree do you have ? ..... can read you like a dime store novel or an over priced Volkswagen ! :lol:
 
What degree do, you, have? I didn't see where one is required. You and Matt need to get a room. Matt is the one you don't know. A forum troll whose name was Terry but who knows if that was even true. No one dissects a post and loves to argue like Terry. Not the person who want to aspire to.


Mikado463 said:
LOL, so tell me, who are you ? What kind of engineering / science degree do you have ? ..... can read you like a dime store novel or an over priced Volkswagen ! :lol:
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Mr Peabody said:
What degree do, you, have? I didn't see where one is required. You and Matt need to get a room. Matt is the one you don't know. A forum troll whose name was Terry but who knows if that was even true. No one dissects a post and loves to argue like Terry. Not the person who want to aspire to.
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Ok , fair enough, nowhere did I say an engineering degree was required. Mine, ME, Drexel University.

As Matt, Terry, whomever / whatever, I felt his reasoning was fair enough with respect to the 'wire/tone control' application. With that being said, this thread like all other long standing pissing match discussions over 'wire' never really solves anything so go back and enjoy whatever you so decide............

Funny thing is this all got going from the goofy click-bait podcast in the beginning of the thread, LOL !
 
Mr Peabody said:
What degree do, you, have? I didn't see where one is required. You and Matt need to get a room. Matt is the one you don't know. A forum troll whose name was Terry but who knows if that was even true. No one dissects a post and loves to argue like Terry. Not the person who want to aspire to.
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The Terrible?
 
Mr Peabody said:
What degree do, you, have? I didn't see where one is required. You and Matt need to get a room. Matt is the one you don't know. A forum troll whose name was Terry but who knows if that was even true. No one dissects a post and loves to argue like Terry. Not the person who want to aspire to.
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Sorry, but could you explain. Are you:

1. Calling me a "troll"

and

2. Claiming that I am someone called "Terry?" (Or that I am someone who used that screen name somewhere)?

Because both are false, so I hope you can clear that up.
 
Mr Peabody said:
That's what I suspect by his replies and behavior.
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Calling someone a "Troll" for expressing a different opinion than yours (and politely, btw!), and going on to falsely accuse someone of dishonestly adopting different screen names, is a pretty extreme reaction. (And doesn't to much to elevate conversation in a forum). My screen name on ASR is MattHooper, on WBF it's "COF." On audiogon it is "prof." My screen name has been consistent on each site I'm a member.

And note I didn't jump in to just any conversation about cables or whatever to be some party pooper. It's when a thread is expressly concerning these subjects - e.g. "snake oil, challenge to cable deniers, blind test results" that I will give my view on that subject. And just because I hold some level of skepticism, some seem triggered in to assuming that is "trolling." Trolling is not having and defending a certain viewpoint. Trolling is characterized by posts made specifically to inflame or insult others, and Trolls don't carefully engage the points someone has made in replies, which is a way of showing respect in the conversation: Trolls tend to not reply to points made against their position, and resort ONLY to snark or baiting insults. Any fair minded look at my posts show I am honest in what I believe, that I carefully address points made against my position, and that I have continually pointed out I'm not trying to force anything on anyone and I respect everyone's right to hold different opinions and practice this hobby any way they wish.

If just making a case for some skepticism about some audiophile claims is enough to trigger this type of response, it suggests that the dogmatism is not coming from my view.

Why not reply with reasons instead of personal attacks? Unless you can give evidence I've used the other screen name you claim - "Terry?" - then you are just using cheap shots and ad hominem instead of civil conversation. Would you like to retract your unfounded claim?
 
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