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    Huh?

    Hmmmm.....OK - so I just had the owner of a speaker company who on their web site says their speakers are "cool" try and lecture me that audio racks and fighting vibrations in high-end audio are not important.

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    Do tell….


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Do tell….


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    They challenged me when I said maple would racks have their own sound vs higher end vibration racks (you can hear this with your own ears and high end rack manufacturers also talk about this issue), they said vibration footers don't make a difference, and rather than adding vibration footers or platforms to deal with vibrations that people should just automatically know what is the best rack and buy it first and foremost and then won't ever need to supposedly deal with vibration issues.
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    Still not naming the owner of speaker company and the brand.
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    Company name please. Without names its just say so, like does a bear shit in the woods , but I have a pic of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Company name please. Without names its just say so, like does a bear shit in the woods , but I have a pic of that.
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    “Tranquility… comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.” – Marcus Aurelius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    “Tranquility… comes when you stop caring what they say. Or think, or do. Only what you do.” – Marcus Aurelius

    And the rest of that is : The actions you take in response to the actions they take (or don’t take). Focus on the part that’s in your control, stress only about what you do, and you’ll find the tranquility Aurelius was talking about.
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    Michael, why are you wasting your time talking to Bose ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    Michael, why are you wasting your time talking to Bose ??
    Ahhh man....how'd you guess? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    And the rest of that is : The actions you take in response to the actions they take (or don’t take). Focus on the part that’s in your control, stress only about what you do, and you’ll find the tranquility Aurelius was talking about.
    Exactly right!

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    Re: Huh?

    post like this is useless without all the facts, etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porsche View Post
    post like this is useless without all the facts, etc

    agreed, I tried to bait him with the Bose comment but to no avail ? perhaps it was nothing but a dream Michael had one night ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porsche View Post
    post like this is useless without all the facts, etc
    100%. just sounds like the guy likes the sound of his own voice - writing. no point whatsoever posting it. wasted 30 seconds of my time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    100%. just sounds like the guy likes the sound of his own voice - writing. no point whatsoever posting it. wasted 30 seconds of my time.


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    It's interesting watching who gets all wound up over my post. It's always the same few people on this forum that feed off spreading negativity. Entertaining to sit back and watch for sure.
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    so then why are you afraid to spill the beans on what 'speaker company' is in question ? I don't see how those of us that asked could be misconstrued as being negative ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    so then why are you afraid to spill the beans on what 'speaker company' is in question ? I don't see how those of us that asked could be misconstrued as being negative ??

    I've shared the company name and details with those on this forum I know won't go off and act like asses with that info.

    It is entertaining you are so emotionally wrapped up in this.
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    LOL, didn't know you were so easily entertained !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    I've shared the company name and details with those on this forum I know won't go off and act like asses with that info.

    It is entertaining you are so emotionally wrapped up in this.
    You started this clickbait thread with the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Hmmmm.....OK - so I just had the owner of a speaker company who on their web site says their speakers are "cool" try and lecture me that audio racks and fighting vibrations in high-end audio are not important.
    You are the one that tried to make the speaker manufacturer appear stupid and then you accuse other people of being emotionally wrapped up in your nonsense that you started.

    The real truth is there are people on this thread that had their doubts about the veracity of your claims and your responses didn't alleviate those doubts.
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    FWIW Dept.: Bob Worzella, the founder of Sound Anchors, using a lazer and mirrors placed on speaker cabinets, was able to show that the speakers vibrated less when mounted on his speaker stands.

    I've no doubt some stands are better than others. So in addition to what speaker brand, what speaker stand brand too? Otherwise a red herring and nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    You started this clickbait thread with the following:



    You are the one that tried to make the speaker manufacturer appear stupid and then you accuse other people of being emotionally wrapped up in your nonsense that you started.

    The real truth is there are people on this thread that had their doubts about the veracity of your claims and your responses didn't alleviate those doubts.
    well said, he's been here one year and seems to portray the 'holier than thou' attitude ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by atmasphere View Post
    FWIW Dept.: Bob Worzella, the founder of Sound Anchors, using a lazer and mirrors placed on speaker cabinets, was able to show that the speakers vibrated less when mounted on his speaker stands.

    I've no doubt some stands are better than others. So in addition to what speaker brand, what speaker stand brand too? Otherwise a red herring and nothing to see here.
    It wasn't speaker stands. He was talking about audio racks, audio footers and platforms. I believe I said audio rack in my original post, and should have included the part about the footers/platforms as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    It wasn't speaker stands. He was talking about audio racks, audio footers and platforms. I believe I said audio rack in my original post, and should have included the part about the footers/platforms as well.
    We've done measurements of audio racks and platforms. They can have a very measurable effect on a system (reducing vibration by 10dB easily) if properly built and properly used. The measurement is correlated by listening as well.

    Regarding footers: my LP mastering lathe was mounted on a custom table that employed an anti-vibration platform, isomerically mounted on the table. The table had welded legs of 4" diameter steel, with adjustable points on the bottom. The lathe was built about 1949, after the invention of the LP but long before stereo, although I had a Westerex 3D cutter head mounted to it. Its pretty obvious that none of the ideas for equipment stands or footers are new or started by audiophiles, at least judging by that table.

    IMO/IME we can put this thing to bed...

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    I would like to take this opportunity to remind members you can create an "ignore" list. I have three Sharks on my list and it works very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzie View Post
    I would like to take this opportunity to remind members you can create an "ignore" list. I have three Sharks on my list and it works very well.
    This is very true. I have one schmuck in there right now.
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