HT vs Home Audio System - Page 3
Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 55
  1. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    844
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Great-looking setup. Thanks for sharing, Tom.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Sean

    Oppo 203, Lumin D2
    McIntosh MA252
    Magico A3
    Shunyata PS8/Defender/Delta NR
    Venom IC/SC/PC

  2. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Minneapolis, MN
    Posts
    564
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I have the SP3 digital preamp also. But it has become primarily a switching board. I use different DACs for 2-ch audio and multichannel, and also an Oppo 205 to handle 4K video since the SP3 cannot decode 4K.
    I also use the SP3 to manage time delays between speakers and subs.
    There's an upgrade to the SP3 to allow it to pass through 4K. It's ~$1000 or so.

    Mine is really just volume control for 2 channel. I use it in bypass mode and rely on my EMM gear.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Processor: Bryston SP3
    Amps: Bryston 28b3s, Bryston 4b3, Bryston 9bsst2
    Digital: EMM NS1, EMM DA2
    Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c, Kef Ci200RR-THX (surround/back)
    Subs: Two JL Audio F212v2
    Power: PS Audio PS10, Bryston BIT15
    Wires: Wireworld Silver Eclipse XLR & SC, Ethernet - WW Platinum USB
    Other: Stillpoint Ultra SS, ISO-Acoustics ISO Pucks
    Video: Oppo 203, LG 65inch OLED
    -Kyle

  3. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    813
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    There's an upgrade to the SP3 to allow it to pass through 4K. It's ~$1000 or so.

    Mine is really just volume control for 2 channel. I use it in bypass mode and rely on my EMM gear.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Yes, sorry I was not clear. I am familiar with the upgrade. I actually had it done to my unit. But the board upgrade, as you well pointed out, only allows the SP3 to pass 4k (it does not decode it). So I still use the Oppo 205 for that purpose. Thanks!

  4. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Naples, FL
    Posts
    124
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Do most here keep their home theater and home audio systems separate (I do), or do you integrate them? For me, listening to music and listening to/watching HT are two very different things. Also, the cost of a top notch HT system with high quality components is often significantly higher (i.e. the need for subs, a lot more cables, etc.).

    And, as a musician, I want my music and system two channel and at the highest quality I can afford. With all the components of a multi, multi, multi-channel system there is more chance for introducing noise to the system and for degradation of the signal. However, I will admit there is a good bit of speculation in this assessment. My two cents.
    IMO, keeping a two-channel system separate from a home audio system is similar to keeping a Bentley separate from a BMW motorcycle. Both get you someplace, but in different ways and with a different quality of luxury ...

    We may watch 8-10 hours of TV per week. So, for us a small 75" TV and a Martin Logan Sound-bar is more than sufficient. While we could build a much better TV system, there is just no reason too.

    On the other hand, a two-channel audio system is what we enjoy the most. So, it's where we place our priorities.

    Our new audio system will be delivered soon - thanks Mike. But along the way I researched some other systems. It is unfortunate, but one dealer tried to sell us on a very nice multi-channel system in lieu of a two-channel system, stating it would better serve our needs/purposes overall. Why not have one system that does both types of sound [fairly] well? I listened, but no sale. IMO, this dealer didn't understand the differences between two-channel and surround sound, etc. This seems to be an unfortunate trend away from two-channel audio ... (has been for years).

    IMO, while there are some absolutely wonderful multi-channels systems that can deliver most of what a two-channel system can, it's still not the same experience or quality, etc. Perhaps this has to do with being raised on two-channel systems, but to me in a two-channel system the sound is different, more involving, precise, better sound-stage, imaging, and the way the music I listen to (jazz, soft rock) is meant to be heard. Of course, I'm assuming one has a good two-channel system that can deliver this ongoing experience ...

    This is not to say or imply that a multi-channel system isn't any good and can't be better in some ways on some recordings meant for a multi-channel system, etc. They are just different - esp. for someone like me raised on two-channel audio.
    Last edited by Calvin; December 9, 2019 at 09:31 AM. Reason: spelling

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Tampa
    Posts
    1,441
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    This is not to say or imply that a multi-channel system isn't any good and can't be better in some ways on some recordings meant for a multi-channel system, etc. They are just different - esp. for someone like me raised on two-channel audio.
    The MCH systems I describe are no different from 2ch systems. The LR front channels are exactly like you will have, no different. Same sound. Same room. That's why I said 2ch +.
    Unfortunately, 99.999999% of audiophiles have never heard a 2ch+ surround system (at least knowingly ) , just the whiz bang stuff they have at B&M stores . The center channel isn't on during 2ch. In my system there isn't one. Only surrounds. Those can be on, which is precisely why it sounds better than any 2ch system possibly can (physically). Read the links in my previous post.

  6. Likes CPP, nicoff liked this post
  7. #26
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Poland
    Posts
    197
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    My main audio rig is in a living room, in a TV room we have a 7.1 HT based on Kuro 5090 tv and Pioneer SC LX 82 and my first really audiophile spekers - PS 5.1 as fronts .
    The main HT system is relativaly inexpensive but in a dedicated room , Sony HW 50 together with Yamaha Aventage 3010 and 9.1 B&W speakers setup, 120 inches white matt screen.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Aurender W20->Lampizator Pacific SE/Audio Aero La Fontaine->Ayon Crossfire III-> Avantgarde Acoustic Duo Mezzo XD
    Analog : Fat Bob S with SME 5, Shelter Harmony, Tom Evans Groove+ SRX mk2,
    cabling: Acrolink, Vovox,Siltech, Transparent, Apricity and FTA Callisto usb, Fadel Art

    HT : Sony HW 50 ES, Oppo 93 EU, Darbee DVP-5000 ,Yamaha Aventage RX-A 3010 , B&W 9.1, screen 120 inches matt white

  8. Likes Mike liked this post
  9. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Poland
    Posts
    197
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    PS Sorry , I can’t cancel this post, just wanted to add the picture from the main HT system to the previous post , „Irishman” from Netflix, last weekend, the movie is a masterpiece imho.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Aurender W20->Lampizator Pacific SE/Audio Aero La Fontaine->Ayon Crossfire III-> Avantgarde Acoustic Duo Mezzo XD
    Analog : Fat Bob S with SME 5, Shelter Harmony, Tom Evans Groove+ SRX mk2,
    cabling: Acrolink, Vovox,Siltech, Transparent, Apricity and FTA Callisto usb, Fadel Art

    HT : Sony HW 50 ES, Oppo 93 EU, Darbee DVP-5000 ,Yamaha Aventage RX-A 3010 , B&W 9.1, screen 120 inches matt white

  10. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Naples, FL
    Posts
    124
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Right, only one has video. But the physics of sound is exactly the same for both. Really comes down to what one's demands for "reproduction" are.
    Most "audiophiles" are actually "stereophiles". Their demands begin and end with stereo constructs. Others, like myself, are after something else, based on these objective facts of physical reality , nothing subjective there at all. That comes afterwards.
    Subjectively, stereophiles are satisfied with frontal stereo constructs, others want something akin to this which is physically impossible without at least (2) rear channels. 4 is the minimum. I consider this as stereo + 2, since all mains are capable of pure stereo, the other channels can suffice for both MCH music and movies as needed. Such systems can produced enhanced stereo as well. That's what I do with 99% of music, which is stereo. There is an "off" button if/when the effect is undesired.
    Good speakers won't have any issues with reproducing whatever signals they are sent. Sad ones will.
    If HT is involved, having a retractable screen is nice to keep the space between mains open for non movie listening. A wall mounted TV can accomplish the same. Or both, one for movies, the other for daily casual viewing, etc.
    As with all discussions here and elsewhere, it will come down to preferences and electro-acoustic/perceptual subject knowledge. Or lack thereof.

    cheers,

    AJ
    AJ,

    I appreciate your post and links. The links were an interesting read. However, as I previously stated, the music I listen to was / is recorded for two-channel. So, for me it seems unnatural hearing it on 4, 6, or 8 speakers, etc. I'm not sure how else to state this, but I enjoy hearing the detail from only two speakers - more speakers just seems to hide, muffle, confuse some of the detail for me. I guess my brain is accustomed to processing it one way (two-channels).

  11. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Tampa
    Posts
    1,441
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    AJ,

    I appreciate your post and links. The links were an interesting read. However, as I previously stated, the music I listen to was / is recorded for two-channel. So, for me it seems unnatural hearing it on 4, 6, or 8 speakers, etc.
    Hi Calvin,
    The last link was about 2ch music. That's my source as well. However, as I noted, you've most likely never heard such a music specific enhanced stereo system, only the HT type stuff. Only 4 speakers are required, 2 stereo fronts just like yours... and 2 surrounds. They can't be "heard" if setup properly.
    I have done innumerable demos where folks had no idea it was enhanced. Again, this is not like an HT system where surround "effects" are intentionally audible. They sat within 1' of the "surrounds"...and could not hear them due to the decorrelation, which strips the human hearing system of any ability to localize the sound.
    The effect is difficult to describe to those who have not experienced, or have experienced primarily HT. For acoustic music like jazz and classical, especially classical, there is a sense of "realism" impossible with stereo. For electronic rock, etc, not so much. There it sounds unnatural as you note. Hence there is also an "off" button.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    I guess my brain is accustomed to processing it one way (two-channels).
    Most likely .
    The systems I describe are your exact new stereo in room, with 2 additions, a processor and 2 surrounds. Technically, its then a "MCH" system. But when listening to pure stereo as you do now, without the processor/surrounds, its exactly the same.

    cheers,

    AJ

  12. #30
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    24,838
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: HT vs Home Audio System

    Mine at home is a blended system. I have a 100 inch Stewart screen which is built up into the ceiling and comes down when I flick a switch and a Sony SXRD projector (VERY old!). My home theater processor from the 90ís stopped working in May. I just now purchased a B stock Integra something or another. My Hegel rep also sells Integra. I waited for my wife to give me shit for not having our home theater working (she wanted to watch movies during Thanksgiving) before getting one. I use an old Bryston 9BSST2 amp for 5 of the 7 channels and some crappy Marantz amp for the height speakers. I donít have a center channel, but may get an MBL 126C or 120C. Iím just not into TV/Movies as you can tell. I would much rather spin a record or listen to an album. I have it to appease Management.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Audio Research, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Ayre Acoustics, Berkeley Audio Design, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Constellation Audio, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones & Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Gryphon Audio, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MIT Cables, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Roon Labs, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stenheim Loudspeakers, Stillpoints, T+A Electronics, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  13. Likes Sean, Marslo liked this post
 

 
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast