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    Re: How Science Got Sound Wrong

    With all due respect, what you demonstrated was not the difference between digital and analog. You demonstrated the difference between playback of a particular digital version of that material on your digital system path, compared to a particular analog version on your system's analog path. I believe you when you say, that you and the GF preferred the analog playback. I just don't think that says anything about digital and analog playback in general.

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    Oh and here’s a shocker: a great table today, was a great table 20 years ago and will be a great table in 20 years. Look at the plethora of VPI’s, Linn’s and SME’s and many many others around still today.
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    Mike, that's because TTs have had 100 years of R&D so 80 years in, yes 95% is understood and realized in devices. We'll be saying the same about digital in 1/2 that time, which is about now where recently available DACs that sound great will still sound great in the future.
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    Mike, that's because TTs have had 100 years of R&D so 80 years in, yes 95% is understood and realized in devices. We'll be saying the same about digital in 1/2 that time, which is about now where recently available DACs that sound great will still sound great in the future.
    That’s true, but I’m not sure I agree that digital will be fully fleshed out in 40 years. It’s been 41 already.

    My point is that the buyer today can really enjoy a fine turntable and it will still be fine in 30 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike-48 View Post
    With all due respect, what you demonstrated was not the difference between digital and analog. You demonstrated the difference between playback of a particular digital version of that material on your digital system path, compared to a particular analog version on your system's analog path. I believe you when you say, that you and the GF preferred the analog playback. I just don't think that says anything about digital and analog playback in general.
    Yes, if that were the only time this had happened it would be the act of conflating the media capability with the one single anecdotal experience. I've done this demo many times over the last 30 years, and often at audio shows. One of those shows (RMAF) we had the designer of the DAC we were using, which is one of the very best DACs I've heard anywhere (Stahltek, and better be good, it with the transport together were over $70K) in the room. He was playing stuff off of his hard drive and I realized I had the same thing on LP in my box of stuff I bring to shows. I offered to play if for him; after 5 seconds he turned to me and said 'digital has such a long way to go..." I've always taken his pragmatic viewpoint as why he made such a musical transparent DAC (and the fact that he was a brilliant engineer didn't hurt either).

    Another standout I recall was a woman who was deaf in one ear and about 50% in the other. She was easily able to tell which was which. In this situation I was using an older Linn setup, which might be considered quite ordinary today, but it was better than 99% of what the world's population was able to hear at the time.

    That this is such an easy demo to do and consistently goes in the same direction does say something. Maybe we have exceptional LP playback- many people do not (I found out decades ago that phono preamps can generate ticks and pops if you aren't careful in the design and I think that is what has driven so many people crazy, no realizing that it wasn't the media doing the ticks and pops). But whatever it is, its an easy demo. Not proof, but an awful lot of evidence. Mind you, I prefer how easy digital can be and I like the fact that its gotten so good in the last decade in particular. Enough that I 'almost' don't care which is better. I just like to play music. But its easy to arrange a demo, and I've yet to find a digital setup that really beats out the analog side, so I'm open to anyone being able to show me something new. That's just not happened (yet) so for now in my world, there is no means to show how digital is actually better, but plenty of means to show that it isn't.

    This suggests to me that if the digital media is really that good, that the playback apparatus still has (for most people) a very long way to go, this for me despite having access to some pretty high end stuff. So maybe in theory its better, in practice it rarely works out. One should be careful with stuff like this because the bias can go both ways. One thing about analog, you get one thing wrong and the whole thing goes down the loo. The turntable has to be speed stable, physically dead, the platter has to have a mat on it that properly damps the LP itself, the pickup can't have chatter in the bearings or the arm tube resonating and talking back to the cartridge body, the mechanical resonance correct and so on. Once you have those ducks in a row analog really shines. With digital these days its very different- you can get excellent sound from a $12 DVD from a pawn shop driving a $125.00 Topping DAC (E30, for anyone counting). But its always that last nth degree that makes the final difference. (yes, I know Topping makes better DACs- we use a D90 in the shop. I really like that when the design is really sorted out, that something that inexpensive can have the high end manufacturers shaking in their boots. I really want music to be there for everyone.)

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    No doubt you have 30+ years experience of having analog sounding better than digital.

    But, I get the sense that this might be changing sooner than we think. Taiko Audio, to name one manufacturer I'm familiar with, keeps making substantial technological breakthroughs in digital playback to the point where, on another forum, a user of a $50k turntable has concluded there's no meaningful qualitative difference between his analog and digital setups. This is only after a very recent and significant USB upgrade from Taiko.

    I haven't owned a turntable since I was a teenager, so I can't speak from personal experience. But, as far as digital goes, I can say the breakthroughs Taiko has made in just the last year are really something. It seems logical to me that digital is likely to have an accelerated advancement path relative to analog and will likely come to equal analog's best.

    Unless you've heard what digital can do - today - you're probably a little behind the curve. I'm particularly curious to hear from M. Lavigne, who has thrown his resources into the best in both analog and digital, after he evaluates the latest from Taiko. I predict he will still find his best analog pressings to be best, but that the delta has shrunk quite a bit. It's all good.
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    Re: How Science Got Sound Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post

    "I haven't owned a turntable since I was a teenager, so I can't speak from personal experience."
    so you rely on 3rd party impressions from people you never met whose sonic priorities and tastes in music might be diametrically opposed to yours to come to a conclusion? ("a user of a $50k turntable has concluded there's no meaningful qualitative difference between his analog and digital setups.")
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    I'm not "relying" on someone's opinion. I can talk about the advancements in the digital realm from personal experience. Make of it what you want. I do trust (not rely on) what Mike Lavigne will say as being worth paying attention to because he has both systems at a sota level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    so you rely on 3rd party impressions from people you never met whose sonic priorities and tastes in music might be diametrically opposed to yours to come to a conclusion? ("a user of a $50k turntable has concluded there's no meaningful qualitative difference between his analog and digital setups.")
    There is something very wrong with that comment.
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    Mep, just curious, could you clarify what comment you're referring to? Thanks
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    Digital has certainly come a LONG way for those early days of nasty Sony, Phillips CD players.

    But until the fundamental problems of 1) horrible A2D converters being used by even the biggest studios (did you know Warner has been sent some of the best A2D’s on the market and didn’t even open the box because of cost?), 2) the overuse of compression which completely robs the music of it’s soul and 3) completely f’d up mastering (do you think those 24/192 files you buy online are recorded in 24/192? No, they are often 16/44, 24/44 or 24/96 files UPSAMPLED to 24/192 using again, a POS piece of equipment you wouldn’t spend $5 on), we will not get digital to a proper equal level today.

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    So one day, I decided to find the album online - original pressing and the MOFI pressing. I bought both. The next time Bill came in the store, I played him the digital and then the original pressing and MOFI pressing. His jaw hit the floor. He said “all these years, I thought it was the recording....”

    But then he made me laugh, he folded his arms and said, “well, I’m still not getting a turntable.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    Mep, just curious, could you clarify what comment you're referring to? Thanks
    It was your comment about your buddy with the $50k table.
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    I suppose the mere mention of someone preferring their digital playback to their vinyl playback is just too much to bear?

    Why don't you elucidate for me the very wrong-edness of my comment? Or...on second thought, spare me your thoughts.

    I hadn't been checking out the AS forum much in the last year. I think I'll stay away -- prickly atmosphere here from some, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    I suppose the mere mention of someone preferring their digital playback to their vinyl playback is just too much to bear?

    Why don't you elucidate for me the very wrong-edness of my comment? Or...on second thought, spare me your thoughts.

    I hadn't been checking out the AS forum much in the last year. I think I'll stay away -- prickly atmosphere here from some, unfortunately.
    Oh, please Mr. Sensitive. If someone doesn't agree with something a friend of yours says about his $50k table in comparison to his digital rig you are going to pack up and leave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    I suppose the mere mention of someone preferring their digital playback to their vinyl playback is just too much to bear?

    Why don't you elucidate for me the very wrong-edness of my comment? Or...on second thought, spare me your thoughts.

    I hadn't been checking out the AS forum much in the last year. I think I'll stay away -- prickly atmosphere here from some, unfortunately.
    The only audiophile forums where the atmosphere doesn't occasionally get prickly are those with heavy-handed moderators. Just because someone doesn't agree with your posts shouldn't deter you from participating, useful information and/or opinions often appear. For your system the only thing that should matter is how you perceive it; I have to assume you aren't spending the time and money to meet someone else's expectations.


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    "Prickly" is a term I used with restraint. "Toxic" would probably be more accurate. It's not a very fine line between the two.
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    I would say other forums are much more toxic. I like when the smart asses get straightened out by Fremer. Makes me chuckle.


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    I'm just glad we all have a choice TT or digital. Shit we all are getting old, and ya better enjoy what you have before things go south with your health and you can't enjoy these items anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    "Prickly" is a term I used with restraint. "Toxic" would probably be more accurate. It's not a very fine line between the two.
    Please do not judge the entire forum by a few members. There are times when various members will express opposing view points without being conscious that some phrases in some cultures (or other people's backgrounds) may in fact be quite offensive.

    Unfortunately this is always going to be the case when a particular discussion forum has members from all over the world with differing backgrounds. Of course some members tend to be a bit more inconsiderate in their responses then others .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    Taiko Audio, to name one manufacturer I'm familiar with, keeps making substantial technological breakthroughs in digital playback to the point where, on another forum, a user of a $50k turntable has concluded there's no meaningful qualitative difference between his analog and digital setups. This is only after a very recent and significant USB upgrade from Taiko.

    I haven't owned a turntable since I was a teenager, so I can't speak from personal experience. But, as far as digital goes, I can say the breakthroughs Taiko has made in just the last year are really something. It seems logical to me that digital is likely to have an accelerated advancement path relative to analog and will likely come to equal analog's best.

    Unless you've heard what digital can do - today - you're probably a little behind the curve. I'm particularly curious to hear from M. Lavigne, who has thrown his resources into the best in both analog and digital, after he evaluates the latest from Taiko. I predict he will still find his best analog pressings to be best, but that the delta has shrunk quite a bit. It's all good.
    I've no doubt I'm behind the curve. That might be the story of my life...

    I'd love to hear the Taiko equipment. But as a FWIW, IME the more digital gets right, the more various bit of playback gear should sound the same. Bits are bits after all. And for this same reason, I'm of the (probably mistaken) opinion that it really shouldn't cost that much. For me Topping is a pretty good example of this; but it seems odd to me that it took this long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atmasphere View Post
    I've no doubt I'm behind the curve. That might be the story of my life...

    I'd love to hear the Taiko equipment. But as a FWIW, IME the more digital gets right, the more various bit of playback gear should sound the same. Bits are bits after all. And for this same reason, I'm of the (probably mistaken) opinion that it really shouldn't cost that much. For me Topping is a pretty good example of this; but it seems odd to me that it took this long.
    digital recording and mastering have come a long way...I had a Wadia and Muse DAC here from the early '90s and was shocked at how it compared to the Chord Dave on red book. I'm beginning to think much of what we thought was poor digital back in the day was attributable to the dearth of good digital media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    digital recording and mastering have come a long way...I had a Wadia and Muse DAC here from the early '90s and was shocked at how it compared to the Chord Dave on red book. I'm beginning to think much of what we thought was poor digital back in the day was attributable to the dearth of good digital media.
    Do you mean new red book recordings Rob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Do you mean new red book recordings Rob?
    yes.
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    yes.
    Thanks. That makes sense.
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