Thread: Get together at Bob's Rhapsody

Originally Posted by Absolare

Next time we are going to the "islands"......I want to go and see Nelson!!!

+1000!

I believe you. I will be there and would love to come back. I'll figure out what works best for you. Maybe we can get another 1 or 2 members to show up.

Hell I was thinking of getting back on the train tomorrow. Lmao!!!
But I won't , I'd rather wait for Doug because I know I went there with
as much desire to run those amps and pre as the speakers.
Before everyone got there me Bob and Nelson had a Joni Mitchell
Listening session at reasonable levels(about 6 or 7 songs), and the whole setup through the
Absolares and the c1.1's was just incredible. Jonis voice seemed to just float there
And and her acoustic guitar just popped with every note. But as Bob mentioned it was a little much for them when pushed in that big room. So to hear a efficient speaker with those is going to be a real treat. Gonna be hard to wait a month but a least I know they will be plenty broken in by then and I'll have the veneres to breakin in a couple days.keep me busy.

Originally Posted by joeinid

I believe you. I will be there and would love to come back. I'll figure out what works best for you. Maybe we can get another 1 or 2 members to show up.

I'm always in. Lol!!!
I just checked your sig Joe to see if anything new popped up!!! Lmao!!!

Originally Posted by Petro85

I'm always in. Lol!!!
I just checked your sig Joe to see if anything new popped up!!! Lmao!!!

I need to sell the TADs

Originally Posted by Absolare

Next time we are going to the "islands"......I want to go and see Nelson!!!

OMG, I don't think I could miss that !!!

Originally Posted by Absolare

Ok...snowball started.....here we go again. Pick a day (Steve come now and then when Doug comes again....if you come now you can take back the FB and then bring it back when Doug comes to town)....anyway, pick a day and I bet we end up with more AS's than we had yesterday. And we will order from Katz deli!!!

Bob, Are you trying to kill me

Originally Posted by MDP

Bob, Are you trying to kill me

Trying to make you wife kill you!!! Lol!!!
Mark I'd hope you show up at one of these !!! Be great to meet you!

Bob, I was just kidding, I just love Katz Deli !!!!! It is amazing

Originally Posted by Petro85

Trying to make you wife kill you!!! Lol!!!
Mark I'd hope you show up at one of these !!! Be great to meet you!

You too Steve !!

Originally Posted by Petro85

Close Bob actually scary close!!
Left to right is front row: Barry - Joe - Steve . Back row is correct. And Nelson was snapping the pic.

And the burl veneer on the d3 was the nicest I've ever seen. Just beautiful. I tried to find a seam in it and could not. It's one wide slice. Very impressive.
I woke up this morning realizing I need a pair of monitors . Lol actually I knew that for awhile.

Only Barry and you Steve I wasn't sure; I knew that I have all the other ones correctly. ...That was easy.

So now I know who's into Movies (Cinema) the most here; right after me.

Omg Barry explained his theatre setup to me yesterday it sounds like it is incredible.
How could it not !! Load the room with revel speakers and krell amps, and crank it up!!

Originally Posted by joeinid

I need to sell the TADs

But I'm happy that you found something that will make you happy my friend!

Originally Posted by dlb2

Nice guitars Bob. Be it guitars, bikes or audio gear the phrase "you can never have too many" comes to mind. I can't wait to visit next month. I'm already starting my music list!

Yes, I love all Bob's guitars in his room.

* Did he play a bit for you guys, his guests?

Originally Posted by joeinid

+1

It was really great to see Key enjoy the music. I could tell there were times he was getting into the music, like all of us were.

Joe, who is 'Key'; is he Franck Tchang? ...Must be, but why that cool nickname, anyone knows?
Who's got the 'key' to my question?

Originally Posted by NorthStar

Yes, I love all Bob's guitars in his room.

* Did he play a bit for you guys, his guests?

No. We had the poor guy hopping from speaker to speaker and amp to amp.

Originally Posted by Mike

No. We had the poor guy hopping from speaker to speaker and amp to amp.

I see, he was busy setting his audio gear and entertaining his guests with it. ...Makes total sense.

Originally Posted by NorthStar

Joe, who is 'Key'; is he Franck Tchang? ...Must be, but why that cool nickname, anyone knows?
Who's got the 'key' to my question?

Stereo Times Audio Reviewer. (Key Kim)

Originally Posted by veindoc

Sounds like a great time. As I heard the D3 with all audionet and d1 with Rowland gear at CES I can echo but also caution that when they r set up wide and far from rear walls they really do create just an outstanding holographic wide and deep soundstage where the speakers just disappear. I think this has less to do with absolare vs goldmund vs. audionet or Rowland and more to do with proper set up of Raidho speakers. When I heard the d3 set up less wide and closer to rear wall and was not in a somewhat nearfield listening chair, the magic was gone to a great extent. Joe if you have the proper room to set up any of these Raidho speakers, I am sure all of your exisiting electronics will mimic what you heard. On the other hand if you can not set these up properly no equipment on earth with release the Raidhos magic soundstage.
Be good,

Nick

+1. That has been my finding too, but can be room dependent.

Originally Posted by the professor

That would be great if break-in helping the popping is right. But, I'm approaching 750 hrs on my D3s and they still pop. I have a feeling that it won't go away. In fact, I believe it has actually gotten worse as they have broken in. Maybe because of less resistance in the woofers?????? […]

Have a chat with your local Raidho dealer. Some owners, particularly those who play at louder levels, have opted for an optional bass upgrade kit which can be field fitted.

Originally Posted by Petro85

[…]. And also Bob because of those super subs and theatre setup had a lot of sound deadening on the walls. From what I read here that is a no no with the raidhos.

Yes! Absorption of the side wall is not optimal for Raidho. In my experience the best results are to be had with diffusors at the early side wall reflection point. This – incredible as it may seem – actually further improves the soundstage.

Originally Posted by Absolare

[…] Yesterday we never even got close to hearing what the Absolare amps sounded like. On the Wave speakers, that are 93db and feel more like 100db....I'm running the volume control at 9 o'clock vs. 4 o'clock when driving the D3's. The 52 Watt SET's would be great in a small to medium room, but not in a large room like my current room.

Can other Sharks report on the Raidho / Absolare pre + pwr combination? Seems like it didn’t impress?

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

Can other Sharks report on the Raidho / Absolare pre + pwr combination? Seems like it didn’t impress?

I absolutely loved it. The power is sufficient for my personal listening levels, others might like the volume louder. I could easily live with the Absolare gear

I do feel the power of my CJ ART amps at 275 wpc would be delicious on the Raidhos.

Kiwi - bass upgrade kit? Can you explain?

Originally Posted by Mike

Kiwi - bass upgrade kit? Can you explain?

+1

Originally Posted by Absolare

Ok...snowball started.....here we go again. Pick a day (Steve come now and then when Doug comes again....if you come now you can take back the FB and then bring it back when Doug comes to town)....anyway, pick a day and I bet we end up with more AS's than we had yesterday. And we will order from Katz deli!!!

This is a great idea! Except I need to experience Katz in person, no delivery! Mark, you in?!

Originally Posted by Mike

Kiwi - bass upgrade kit? Can you explain?

Haha I knew that would be the next post

Mi Casa is your Casa
But I'm pretty sure after you see our beautiful beaches and women you will want nothing to do with audio


Bob,
I have to go the airport tomorrow at 1:00 PM
Do you want me to pass by and check your latest upgrade ?



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And Bob,
Do you want an assistant in Rhapsody, I could work for free ?

Just to be around you and those Goldmunds are worth it
Hahaha



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9:00-9:30?

Originally Posted by Absolare

You can have the place....I will just retire and watch you

Bob I agree 100% any SET is not made to push that hard , I mentioned that a couple times above.
The goldmund amp was fabulous and with the raidhos big soundstage , but I think the absolares with the raidhos created the better soundstage . If that's possible. If I had my choice of anything we listened to I'd take the absolares , the absolare pre and the d1's and set it up in my room would be perfect!! Oh and those cool wood stands they sat on!!!

Bob,

I totally agree. The Absolare are stunning. I would have no problem living within the 50 wpc limit and enjoying the heck out of that system. You saw my face yesterday. I was in heaven. If Nelson takes over your store, I'll be there everyday.

Originally Posted by Absolare

Please understand that we are talking about a 17' wide X 35' long X 11' ceilings....700sq. feet. Pushing the 845's driving the D3's at 100 db levels in this size space would never be recommended, regardless of what wall coverings exist. Sure it might do better with additional diffusion and appropriate reflection, BUT running the Absolare electronics or ANY other 50 Watt SET amp on D3's in this size space is not what 50 Watt SET amps are designed to do. If someone plays jazz, trios, soft rock....it's actually great up to about 95db in this size space,which is actually very surprising to me. It's when you try and push it with tracks like Flamenco Fever. When we played that on the Goldmund system we were at 105db+. I listen to the 845's all the time on the D3's in my space and never have any issues. I usually play at around 90db, that's how I listen to SET's not, at 100+.

If you tell me that you can drive the D3's to 100db plus levels in this size room with the most demanding of material, with any 50Watt SET's, all I can say my hat tips to you....and I would love to come and hear it!!!

My personal opinion is that if someone would like to play lp's ie, Flamenco Fever at 100db+ levels the last thing that you would do is select 50Watt SET's driviing D3's, wouldn't you agree?

Others' agree, disagree? And I am totally not being defensive, I think that it's an appropriate conversation, no?

Originally Posted by Petro85

Bob I agree 100% any SET is not made to push that hard , I mentioned that a couple times above.
The goldmund amp was fabulous and with the raidhos big soundstage , but I think the absolares with the raidhos created the better soundstage . If that's possible. If I had my choice of anything we listened to I'd take the absolares , the absolare pre and the d1's and set it up in my room would be perfect!! Oh and those cool wood stands they sat on!!!

+1

Originally Posted by joeinid

Bob,

I totally agree. The Absolare are stunning. I would have no problem living within the 50 wpc limit and enjoying the heck out of that system. You saw my face yesterday. I was in heaven. If Nelson takes over your store, I'll be there everyday.

Thank you Joe,
I think Bob & I will do something in the near future. We have the same taste and likes ....




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Originally Posted by Absolare

Please understand that we are talking about a 17' wide X 35' long X 11' ceilings....700sq. feet. Pushing the 845's driving the D3's at 100 db levels in this size space would never be recommended, regardless of what wall coverings exist. Sure it might do better with additional diffusion and appropriate reflection, BUT running the Absolare electronics or ANY other 50 Watt SET amp on D3's in this size space is not what 50 Watt SET amps are designed to do. If someone plays jazz, trios, soft rock....it's actually great up to about 95db in this size space,which is actually very surprising to me. It's when you try and push it with tracks like Flamenco Fever. When we played that on the Goldmund system we were at 105db+. I listen to the 845's all the time on the D3's in my space and never have any issues. I usually play at around 90db, that's how I listen to SET's not, at 100+.

If you tell me that you can drive the D3's to 100db plus levels in this size room with the most demanding of material, with any 50Watt SET's, all I can say my hat tips to you....and I would love to come and hear it!!!

My personal opinion is that if someone would like to play lp's ie, Flamenco Fever at 100db+ levels the last thing that you would do is select 50Watt SET's driviing D3's, wouldn't you agree?

Others' agree, disagree? And I am totally not being defensive, I think that it's an appropriate conversation, no?

You are spot on Bob. It would be absurd to try and play music at a continuous 100db+ level with any SET amp as far as I'm concerned. SET's are wonderful for vocals, jazz, and music that can show off a SET amps strength of beautiful, luscious mids. Sure they have decent extension on both ends but those mids...! Of course any music can be played with/through them as long as you're not looking for stadium volume levels. Yes I do listen to a variety of music, even hip-hop, with mine (and it's GOOD!)

Originally Posted by highEndguy

Thank you Joe,
I think Bob & I will do something in the near future. We have the same taste and likes ....

Originally Posted by socfan12

The reviewer was Key, this guy:

ASI Grand Stereo amplifier and Liveline Preamplifier

I thought the pic in the review was of the amp 'designer', but it's Key himself.

If you click on the above quote's link (like I always do myself so that I can learn everything there is to learn here at the aquarium),
you'll find out indeed that Key is not George Clooney (Nelson) but very truly Franck Tchang. ...The audio reviewer from StereoTimes.

EDIT: Me too I made the same mistake as you Allen; I thought that the picture of the gentleman at the very beginning (top left) was indeed the one of the designer himself (Franck Tchang).
But it isn't; it's the photograph of the audio reviewer himself at StereoTimes, Key Kim. ...Jeez, finally!

* Stuff like that shouldn't happen in a professional audio review.

Originally Posted by highEndguy

Thank you Joe,
I think Bob & I will do something in the near future. We have the same taste and likes ....




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Nelson you need to spend more time in NY. I'd help you any way I could!!!

Originally Posted by NorthStar

If you click on the above quote's link (like I always do myself so that I can learn everything there is to learn here at the aquarium),
you'll find out indeed that Key is not George Clooney (Nelson) but very truly Franck Tchang. ...The audio reviewer from StereoTimes.

Franck Tchang.com: Philosophy

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All images and content on FranckTchang.com protected by copyright© 2009. Website design by Clef à Succès.

I'd like to hear those Absolare SET's on a pair of LM755 field coil speakers or perhaps a pair of Shindo Latours...

Originally Posted by NorthStar

If you click on the above quote's link (like I always do myself so that I can learn everything there is to learn here at the aquarium),
you'll find out indeed that Key is not George Clooney (Nelson) but very truly Franck Tchang. ...The audio reviewer from StereoTimes.

EDIT: Me too I made the same mistake as you Allen; I thought that the picture of the gentleman at the very beginning (top left) was indeed the one of the designer (Franck Tchang). But it isn't; it's the photograph of the audio reviewer at StereoTimes, Key Kim. Jeez, finally!

Bob,
I'm George Clooney



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Originally Posted by highEndguy

Bob,
I'm George Clooney



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You are way more handsome. Clooney has NOTHING on you my friend.

Originally Posted by joeinid

You are way more handsome. Clooney has NOTHING on you my friend.

I love Your blindness my dear Friend


I want Destination and date of our next AS reunion
Maybe next NYC Audio show 2014?


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