DSD versus PCM - Is DSD really better or is it a 'myth'

**rbbert** · September 13, 2015, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Double-D

Rob.......Wow! Quite an interpretation, but for your information being an insensitive jerk is definitely not gender specific. I have met a number of men and women in my life that met that description perfectly. My post acknowledged exactly what I intended, but gosh, I sure didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

You certainly didn't hurt my feelings, and I agree completely with the last sentence in your original post. We all form opinions based on our experiences, and in mine too many men are insensitive jerks and too many women are empty headed narcissistic fools, but the way to get things better isn't to move farther to the extremes, it's to try to find some common ground for discussion and compromise. Instead the two extremes marry each other and don't change (probably aren't even interested in changing), and voila, one more for the statistics.

**Stringreen** · September 13, 2015, 06:58 PM

This is not my first one.....in the 5 years or so I had my last, all I did was change the oil, and minor maintenance. Great car.

**jdandy** · September 13, 2015, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by rbbert

You certainly didn't hurt my feelings, and I agree completely with the last sentence in your original post. We all form opinions based on our experiences, and in mine too many men are insensitive jerks and too many women are empty headed narcissistic fools, but the way to get things better isn't to move farther to the extremes, it's to try to find some common ground for discussion and compromise. Instead the two extremes marry each other and don't change (probably aren't even interested in changing), and voila, one more for the statistics.

Rob.......We are a statistic no matter who we are or what we do, married, divorced, single, cohabitating, kind, mean, rich, middle class, poor, intelligent, dumb, sick, healthy, caring, ambivalent, driven, narcissistic, egotistic, philanthropic, and on and on. The craziest label of all....normal. I don't have a clue what that one means. There's a descriptor and a cubbyhole for every one of us. Oh how we enjoy hanging labels on one another.

It will be 28 years for me and my lady the 17th of October. We have managed to get this far and still love each other because we care enough about each other and our relationship to work together. I have never tried to make her feel less than the wonderful woman she is and she has never tried to make me feel less than a kind and upstanding man. We share what we have but neither of us makes any attempt to control the other. I can be encouraged and convinced to compromise when necessary. I'm not that hard headed or egotistical, but I cannot be required to compromise against my will. It's one thing to participate at your own volition. It's something else entirely to have someone attempt to force you into submission and obedience. I am most fortunate to enjoy a relationship that is healthy, strong, and full of love.

Now, will we ever solve whether DSD is really better or a myth?

**mep** · September 13, 2015, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Double-D

Rob.......We are a statistic no matter who we are or what we do, married, divorced, single, cohabitating, kind, mean, rich, middle class, poor, intelligent, dumb, sick, healthy, caring, ambivalent, driven, narcissistic, egotistic, philanthropic, and on and on. There's a descriptor and a cubbyhole for every one of us. Oh how we enjoy hanging labels on one another.

It will be 28 years for me and my lady the 17th of October. We have managed to get this far and still love each other because we care enough about each other and our relationship to work together. I have never tried to make her feel less than the wonderful woman she is and she has never tried to make me feel less than a kind and upstanding man. We share what we have but neither of us makes any attempt to control the other. I can be encouraged and convinced to compromise when necessary. I'm not that hard headed or egotistical, but I cannot be required to compromise against my will. It's one thing to participate at your own volition. It's something else entirely to have someone attempt to force you into submission and obedience. I am most fortunate to enjoy a relationship that is healthy, strong, and full of love.

Now, will we ever solve whether DSD is really better or a myth?

You need to ask your wife.

**jdandy** · September 13, 2015, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by mep

You need to ask your wife.

Mark.......Ha! I'm not married. That's an important key to our longevity and happiness. I'm the audio nut. She's a TV person. Quite honestly she couldn't care less about audio. If you asked her what DSD or PCM meant you would get the deer in the headlights look. Now ask her what's coming up on Lifetime Movie Network or the Cooking Channel and she can fill you right in.

**jdandy** · September 13, 2015, 09:30 PM

Mike.......Well, I've made two attempts to steer the thread back on topic with no success. I tried. Guess this thread is destined to be a wildcard.

**Mike** · September 13, 2015, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Double-D

Mike.......Well, I've made two attempts to steer the thread back on topic with no success. I tried. Guess this thread is destined to be a wildcard.

Agreed. Thanks for trying.

**Geardaddy** · September 13, 2015, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Double-D

Geardaddy.......It may be bluster at your home but at my home and in my life it is the real deal. Being subservient to any woman is not in my DNA.

As for kids, have all you want, populate the world with lovely children. I have none and could not be happier with that life choice.

Now, now. I jest. My lovely wife tolerated an elaborate two year construction project for my dedicated room. She loves music, and was a musician when she was younger. She hates certain parts of the hobby, specifically ones that prove to be time vampires (primarily dysfunctional manufacturers that string people along with product delivery and other related struggles). My three year old loves sitting next to me and listening and recently declared that she wanted her own speakers. Its all copacetic....

To hell with DSD and PCM.

**jdandy** · September 13, 2015, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Geardaddy

Now, now. I jest. My lovely wife tolerated an elaborate two year construction project for my dedicated room. She loves music, and was a musician when she was younger. She hates certain parts of the hobby, specially ones that prove to be time vampires (primarily dysfunctional manufacturers that string people along with product delivery and other related struggles). My three year old loves sitting next to me and listening and recently declared that she wanted her own speakers. Its all copacetic....

To hell with DSD and PCM.

Geardaddy.......Thanks for that. Sounds like you have a great family. I wish I could get my lady to spend time with me in the studio enjoying the sound system. It would be enjoyable for me to share the experience of wonderfully reproduced music with her. Even when I get her to listen to music on the living room system she wants to talk rather than pay attention to the music. I imagine she wishes I would spend more time with her in front of the television watching those B grade movies. We do enjoy watching Netflix movies together and movies on Blu-ray and DVD's but when she tunes the television to Kindra On Top or Keeping Up With The Kardashian's I can't escape the room fast enough.

**Geardaddy** · September 14, 2015, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Double-D

I wish I could get my lady to spend time with me in the studio enjoying the sound system.

My lady....very 70s of you....like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy428sZWf54

**jdandy** · September 14, 2015, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Geardaddy

My lady....very 70s of you....like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy428sZWf54

**Germanboxers** · November 14, 2015, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Geardaddy

I like that line. Will use it on the wife during her next "Springer" moment...

Or...you could borrow one of Mose Allison's many relevant phrases for spousal arguments: "Your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime" or "if silence was criminal you'd live a life of crime".

I've used both...and was generally concerned that my eyes would be scratched out. I don't do that anymore.

**MarinJim** · November 18, 2015, 01:20 PM

I am with Anthony Cordesman on this one. DSD is not "better" than PCM.

**Randy Myers** · November 19, 2015, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Brilliant! Congrats. What did you go with? 911? Cayman? Boxster? What year?

Here's a pic of mine. It's a 2015 911 GTS. Haven't seen another one on the road yet. I see 911's, but haven't seen another GTS yet. Darrin (dpod) has a great collection of Porsche's. There's a thread with pics of them around here if you search.

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Dam nice wheels Mike.... it makes my Benz sports sedan look like a Big Wheels...

**MarinJim** · November 19, 2015, 07:05 PM

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps19e3fa5a.jpg

**j2020** · May 5, 2016, 11:02 PM

I am jumping in late into this debate by saying DSD done right is as good as PCM done right and each is as good as Redbook done right.
I enjoy all formats done right of music that I like.

**MarinJim** · May 6, 2016, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by j2020

I am jumping in late into this debate by saying DSD done right is as good as PCM done right and each is as good as Redbook done right.
I enjoy all formats done right of music that I like.

+1 and the recording done right.

**MarinJim** · May 6, 2016, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Dam nice wheels Mike.... it makes my Benz sports sedan look like a Big Wheels...

Since we are now a "wildcard" thread, and talking cars, here is a an engine pic of my 700 hp BMW E34 540i:

**Audioseduction** · June 13, 2016, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by MarinJim

Since we are now a "wildcard" thread, and talking cars, here is a an engine pic of my 700 hp BMW E34 540i:

Very nice! Love the red. What supercharger is that?

**Audioseduction** · June 13, 2016, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by MarinJim

Since we are now a "wildcard" thread, and talking cars, here is a an engine pic of my 700 hp BMW E34 540i:

Very nice! Love the red. What supercharger is that?

**MarinJim** · June 13, 2016, 10:34 PM

Thanks, it is a Vortech V2Ti

**Steve** · June 14, 2016, 03:38 AM

DSD vs PCM.

DSD up-sampled seems to sound better, but it is ridiculously CPU intensive. I think there will be more digital format wars to come. I have no vested investment in any file based digital audio & I am not about shop for it anytime soon. The MQA equation will not help unless it develops enough momentum to bring about format standardisation. File and stream based software should include a verifiable key exchanging process with check-summing.

**Dragon_vibe** · June 18, 2016, 04:05 PM

I prefer DSD over PCM......DSD sound more closer to Analog but very good recorded PCM played on good dac is just as good.

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