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July 16, 2020, 02:03 PM #1
coffe or wine ; digital or analog
it would be interesting to hear folks' answer to the audiophile version of the age old question: if you had to give one up which would you choose to keep: coffee or wine (caffeine or alcohol)?
> for those having both analog and digital sources -- if you had to give one up, which source would you keep?
just to keep things interesting and on an otherwise level playing field, assume you have the exact same library of titles for each.
also, feel free to answer the coffee or wine question as well.
please note: this is NOT a which is better question. it is simply and effort to discover which source has the highest level of satisfaction and, thereby, commitment.
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as i only have a digital source at this time, i will just choose a beverage to keep: coffee -- although not sure it is worth living without either.
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July 16, 2020, 02:06 PM #2
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
Wow... tough... I like wine but coffee... no way. Plus my main adult beverage is Brandy, so wine would have to go....Dam, I just got back into vinyl, but since I have recently been doing much more headphone listening, and for portable use, etc., I would have to sadly say bye bye to vinyl
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July 16, 2020, 02:07 PM #3
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Coffee sucks. This one's easy for me.
Jim
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July 16, 2020, 02:09 PM #4
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
But Jim, you avoided the main question that was asked .
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July 16, 2020, 02:12 PM #5
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
clarification: in the "coffee or wine" question please feel free to substitute your favorite form of "caffeine or alcohol"
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July 16, 2020, 02:15 PM #6
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
For me, the convenience of digital (Roon, Tidal, FLAC library, iPad control) outweighs the sonic advantage of analog. The alcohol/caffeine decision is too difficult to answer.
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July 16, 2020, 02:50 PM #7
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Jim
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July 16, 2020, 03:13 PM #8
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Get rid of any alcohol, and I will keep my LP's and CD's.
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July 16, 2020, 06:01 PM #9
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Though i really enjoy a cup of fresh black coffee I would take wine or the equivalent any day.
Wait, don't some coffee shops serve beer and wine. I won't even need to give up friendly faces. The morning glass of wine would not work out very well though. Well, at least from a productivity stand point.
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July 16, 2020, 07:14 PM #10
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But can I throw some Bailey’s in my coffee?
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July 16, 2020, 07:17 PM #11
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
To the first question, I would give up coffee. As to the second question, easy, I am digital only already.
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July 16, 2020, 07:50 PM #12
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I would give up wine and I would give up digital. The A2D process remains the weak link in the chain for digital and I can’t live without my cup of Joe in the morning.
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July 16, 2020, 07:53 PM #13
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with enough alcohol who cares about caffeine
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July 16, 2020, 10:03 PM #14
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Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
me! espressos after enough wine is good life!
when i wake up in the morning i am always a bit dizzy in my brain until coffee comes to my mind. then i get up within seconds and run to the machine. 1st thing of every new day. i love that morning coffe so much i cant express. i can easely skip the other 3-5 i drink usually through the day but not the morning one. nerver would i skip wine!
best to free the mind from hypothetiically bad choices
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July 16, 2020, 11:19 PM #15
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I’m an audiophile, compulsive - I’ll take them all please
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July 17, 2020, 09:24 AM #16
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twenty years ago the answer would have been simple..... analog / vinyl. But today as I'm cruising towards 70 it's just as simple..... digital. It's gotten better and my hearing has gotten less so.
As for my coffee and my whiskey, don't mess with me on either !Cheers ! …. Dave
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July 17, 2020, 09:37 AM #17
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For me it's what is more real and that would be digital source and wine
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July 17, 2020, 10:27 AM #18
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Difficult. Keurig makes a machine now that does cocktails.
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July 17, 2020, 10:56 AM #19
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Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
Have to have the coffee and as much as I love some LP's I've collected over the years, I'd have to keep the digital.
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July 17, 2020, 11:53 AM #20
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So, maybe you make a mistake and use Vodka instead of water for coffee sometime.
I have seen these displayed at the local wine & spirits store. They rolled it out with a women trying to do demos. Short skirt, tight top and not many takers for a drink machine sample.
I just think it would be more work to mix a drink in this than the old fashion way. To say nothing of all of the cleaning.
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July 17, 2020, 12:50 PM #21
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Yeah, pouring bourbon really does not take anything but effort pulling out a glass, removing the bottle cap and pouring.
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July 17, 2020, 01:04 PM #22
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Easy. Haven't listened to analog since the early 80s. Coffee or wine is different, since I can live without either. However, the music does go better with wine, so I guess coffee has to go. Thank goodness in the real world I can have it all. At least so far.
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July 17, 2020, 01:18 PM #23
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About 8 months ago, I gave up both coffee and alcohol about 95% along with losing 20lbs to solve some health issues without drugs. I love a good cup of coffee but know it's bad for the body. I now drink one cup of Decaf Sumatra one day every other weekend. As for alcohol, it is one beer, shot, or share a bottle with my wife 1 to 2 times a week on weekends only. (rare occasions or events excluded)
As to the real question, I was dumb enough to sell or give away all my albums in 1986 or 7 when I bought my first CD Player and CDs. Fast Forward to last fall, my wife made a deal with a woman selling her late husbands gear and after selling most of it after toying with it for a while, I ended up with a Rega P3 for $5. So now I am slowly buying up some old used and some new LPs to replace ones I loved and do not have in digital. As much as I like albums, if I had to choose, I would keep digital only for the convenience and cost/wear factor of Analog.-----------------
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July 17, 2020, 02:05 PM #24
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July 17, 2020, 02:45 PM #25
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Id replace coffee with tea, I wouldn't give up wine. If you cant justify having two or more music formats then maybe music really isn't your thing, time to find a new hobby.
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July 17, 2020, 03:18 PM #26
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Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
"IF" stick to the script, LOL
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July 17, 2020, 03:26 PM #27
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Jim
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July 17, 2020, 09:36 PM #28
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I am perfectly happy with one format (I haven’t played my SACD player for at least a year). When I listen to music I sit back and listen to it nonstop for hours. I started at 6 PM tonight, and will go to at least midnight. The only time I will get up is to either get a beer, or take a leak.
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July 17, 2020, 10:27 PM #29
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Easy if have to choose between coffee and wine , since I rarely drink wine, only on occasion , so it would be the first to go and I'm heavy into both analog and digital , but If i had to choose, i would give up the digital ..
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July 18, 2020, 04:17 AM #30
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What? Those coasters aren't for the early morning wine spillage?Hmm, guess Im wine & digital then. I own a coffee shop though, slight disclaimer with a roaster & at least half a tonne of green coffee beans at one time. Don't think I'll run out of coffee anytime soon, virus or not!
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July 18, 2020, 06:22 AM #31
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I like Irish Coffee.
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July 18, 2020, 07:10 AM #32
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Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
I would miss my Whiskey but I need the morning coffee more. I have moved on from Analog sometime ago so Digital for me.
Barry
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July 21, 2020, 09:56 AM #33
Re: coffe or wine ; digital or analog
as expected, doesn't look like there is clear winner here ... other than [morning] coffee which has a very devoted installed base. the morning stimulant seems to be more important than the evening relaxant.
thus far, digital seems to have an edge in preference with convenience or "gave up analog a long time ago and am not getting involved again" being the motivation. otoh, the vinyl fans here are hard core and seem to be pretty much SQ driven.viking acoustics berlin r mk2 | almarro a318b + air tight atc-5 (phono) | clearaudio concept + virtuoso v2 MM | t+a dac8 dsd + diy transport + roon rock
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