Thread: Approaching 400 hours burn in....

Thanks to Suncoast Audio I'm burning in these babies.

I was pretty nervous to move away from horns, and so far no regrets and it was a significant step forward for me!

Also thank you to Shadowfax for his post on his Fyne Audio's describing his journey so I knew to keep these burning in even after the 100, 200, and 300 hours mark. They definitely need the time for sure to sound their best.

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Congrats on one heck of a speaker. It was a whole new sound for me also but no regrets. Keep us posted of what you have been hearing as they change. Curious if your experiences are similar.

How does the system sound? I'm thinking with VAC/Fyne you are getting plenty of bass.

Enjoy !

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Congrats on one heck of a speaker. It was a whole new sound for me also but no regrets. Keep us posted of what you have been hearing as they change. Curious if your experiences are similar.

Will do.

At 100 hours was still closed in sounding - started to open up at 125 hours.

At 200 hours had a hard sounding midrange.

At 300 opened up much more and midrange becoming more liquid.

400 seems to be settling in nicely.

Originally Posted by Mr Peabody

How does the system sound? I'm thinking with VAC/Fyne you are getting plenty of bass.

The VAC/Fyne is a fantastic combo. The amount of emotion is addicting.

Originally Posted by CPP

Enjoy !

Thank you!

400hrs to enjoy a speaker to its abilities? that's absurd but I hope you enjoy

Originally Posted by Porsche

400hrs to enjoy a speaker to its abilities? that's absurd but I hope you enjoy

Thank you. I'm really liking them so far.

Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

Will do.

At 100 hours was still closed in sounding - started to open up at 125 hours.

At 200 hours had a hard sounding midrange.

At 300 opened up much more and midrange becoming more liquid.

400 seems to be settling in nicely.

......... and we have 'lift off' , let us know when you reach the moon !

Originally Posted by Mikado463

......... and we have 'lift off' , let us know when you reach the moon !

Why^^^^

How is that helpful or constructive?

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Why^^^^

How is that helpful or constructive?

I don't see anything wrong with his comment. Al he is saying is let us know when the speakers are fully broken in which explains the "let us know when you reach the moon!" comment.

Originally Posted by mep

I don't see anything wrong with his comment. Al he is saying is let us know when the speakers are fully broken in which explains the "let us know when you reach the moon!" comment.

Yes, from a guy who does not believe in break in or cables, but maybe let him respond next time.

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Yes, from a guy who does not believe in break in

show me once where I stated that, you can't Brian ! Now, when it comes to claims of 4-500 hr break ins, yes I am a skeptic. Show me the science to back it up ! ? and yes science, because if one is going to believe such things science will in fact inter into the equation.

or cables

I certainly believe in cables, why I have them throughout my system !

Brian, are you still upset over the Eagles dropping two in a row ?

As for my comment in post #10, it was merely a reaction to Michaels 'Cape Kennedy Countdown'

Originally Posted by Mikado463

show me once where I stated that, you can't Brian ! Now, when it comes to claims of 4-500 hr break ins, yes I am a skeptic. Show me the science to back it up ! ? and yes science, because if one is going to believe such things science will in fact inter into the equation.



I certainly believe in cables, why I have them throughout my system !

Brian, are you still upset over the Eagles dropping two in a row ?

As for my comment in post #10, it was merely a reaction to Michaels 'Cape Kennedy Countdown'

Well thank you for clearing that up, it looked like one of your normal antagonistic posts so my mistake. And no, I really don't care much about Pro or any other sports as they are just a distraction so people don't think about real issues at hand. Also rigged for all the sports betting they advertise for along with big pharma thru out the games.

As far as the break in time for the Fynes, it was a crazy ride until they settled out and took several hundred hours. YMMV

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

it looked like one of your normal antagonistic posts
As far as the break in time for the Fynes, it was a crazy ride until they settled out and took several hundred hours. YMMV

Brian, not trying to be 'antagonistic' here so please bear with me........... what exactly took / takes several hundreds of hours to 'settle out' ? I'm serious, I'm 70 years old, been in this hobby a long time, owned many different pairs of speakers over that time period and NEVER have I had to deal with any kind of 'break-in' like that ??

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Brian, not trying to be 'antagonistic' here so please bear with me........... what exactly took / takes several hundreds of hours to 'settle out' ? I'm serious, I'm 70 years old, been in this hobby a long time, owned many different pairs of speakers over that time period and NEVER have I had to deal with any kind of 'break-in' like that ??

Not directed at me, but...

Driver suspension needs breaking-in. And more efficient the loudspeaker, the longer it takes as they play louder easier with a lot less power input / less excursion. Less excursion means it'll take a while longer for that suspension to work in, even at moderate volumes. Not even taking in consideration of the electrical properties of the voice coils as they will also change and settle down after a while.

The crossover components, depending on caliber of quality, usually higher quality components also take more time to burn-in. And again, with lower input voltages due to high efficient design will ultimately take longer for the burn-in process to "complete".

All of this adds up and some designs will take longer than others, some with more drastic changes, some with more subtle changes.

Originally Posted by chops

Not directed at me, but...

Driver suspension needs breaking-in. And more efficient the loudspeaker, the longer it takes as they play louder easier with a lot less power input / less excursion. Less excursion means it'll take a while longer for that suspension to work in, even at moderate volumes. Not even taking in consideration of the electrical properties of the voice coils as they will also change and settle down after a while.

The crossover components, depending on caliber of quality, usually higher quality components also take more time to burn-in. And again, with lower input voltages due to high efficient design will ultimately take longer for the burn-in process to "complete".

All of this adds up and some designs will take longer than others, some with more drastic changes, some with more subtle changes.

I won't argue that, but what I will contest is the length of time to accomplish said changes. 4 & 500 hours ?? Sorry, I don't buy into that long a time frame.

Originally Posted by Mikado463

I won't argue that, but what I will contest is the length of time to accomplish said changes. 4 & 500 hours ?? Sorry, I don't buy into that long a time frame.

Well no matter how many people explain it to you in different ways, it won't make you change your mind, and that's fine.

I gather you've never owned brand new Magnepans then. Those take a solid 300+ hours to fully break-in. Ask me how I know.

Originally Posted by chops

Well no matter how many people explain it to you in different ways, it won't make you change your mind, and that's fine.

I gather you've never owned brand new Magnepans then. Those take a solid 300+ hours to fully break-in. Ask me how I know.

Charles, I've owned Maggies(MGIII's and 3.6's) long before you. I've sat down with Wendell & Galina Diller at Overture Audio in Wilmington, De years back while they were on their N. American tour. We discussed this very topic. So yes, I am aware of certain speaker types and some of their inherent traits.

As for a capacitor in a speakers crossover network taking 500 hrs to 'burn in' , complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Charles, I've owned Maggies(MGIII's and 3.6's) long before you. I've sat down with Wendell & Galina Diller at Overture Audio in Wilmington, De years back while they were on their N. American tour. We discussed this very topic. So yes, I am aware of certain speaker types and some of their inherent traits.

As for a capacitor in a speakers crossover network taking 500 hrs to 'burn in' , complete nonsense.

Dave, just some info for context. The break-in time for capacitors in correlated with the type and material composition of the capacitor. The proprietary Teflon caps that Conrad-Johnson uses in their products have a very long burn-in time. While C-J states the standard "300 hours", in reality it was more like 1000 hours. It took me the better part of 3 years to fully burn-in my CT-5 preamp. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Charles, I've owned Maggies(MGIII's and 3.6's) long before you. I've sat down with Wendell & Galina Diller at Overture Audio in Wilmington, De years back while they were on their N. American tour. We discussed this very topic. So yes, I am aware of certain speaker types and some of their inherent traits.

As for a capacitor in a speakers crossover network taking 500 hrs to 'burn in' , complete nonsense.

I'm not sure when the MG III's came out, but man I like that classic look!

I first started with Magnepan in '96 - '97 when the MGLR-1's came out. I remember them sounding like the cardboard box they came out of with zero hours on them. After about 48 hours they started showing promise. But it wasn't until the following weekend when they really started to shine.

As for a single capacitor taking X amount of hours, who knows, but the network as a whole, that's a different story. Maybe a couple hundred hours.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Dave, just some info for context. The break-in time for capacitors in correlated with the type and material composition of the capacitor. The proprietary Teflon caps that Conrad-Johnson uses in their products have a very long burn-in time. While C-J states the standard "300 hours", in reality it was more like 1000 hours. It took me the better part of 3 years to fully burn-in my CT-5 preamp. Cheers.

Stephen, Wow, you're making me take that walk down 'memory lane' ! 40 years ago I first met Lew Johnson at a friends Audio Shop outside of Blue Bell, Pa. I was using a Hafler pre-amp(driving a brand new Threshold S-500 up against my Dahlquist DQ-10's) at the time and I remember Lew constantly battering me to try one of his pre-amps. Finally around '86 I believe, I bought a PV7, upgraded to a PV9 a few years later. I could be wrong but back then I believe the caps were polystyrene and I can tell you they did not take three years to 'burn in' !

Regardless, all in good fun !

Ok, Michael, I apologize for what has turned into 'pirating' of your thread. Wasn't my intention, rather just a left handed comment about your 'hours countdown'. So I return this back to you. Between Charles and Stephen they got me off on a walk down memory lane, perhaps another 'thread topic' ?

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Ok, Michael, I apologize for what has turned into 'pirating' of your thread. Wasn't my intention, rather just a left handed comment about your 'hours countdown'. So I return this back to you. Between Charles and Stephen they got me off on a walk down memory lane, perhaps another 'thread topic' ?

Wait wait, I did not get a chance to respond to the question to me.
I cannot explain it Scientifically, I cannot provide any references to 2X Blind listening tests or White Papers. I can only say what I heard. You should scan over my link where I explained what I was hearing at each interval of aprprox hours of listening.

Fyne Audio F502SP Review Thread

Keep in mind, I did say the following early on in my review, Post #1

"Note: Either I am getting more used to the presentation (yes my ears are breaking in along with the drivers) but hoping the punchiness diminishes a little more. It is not an issue at lower volume. And that is another thing about these speakers, they sound great at low volume."

I had a similar experience with a new pair of Dynaudio speakers over 20 years ago. I guess it all depends on the Speaker (drivers) and maybe what music you listen to. My bet is you will break a woofer in faster with Marcus Miller than Dianna Krall. YMMV

It was a interesting time period going from These speakers are awesome to These speakers don't sound right and back and forth. I did have a 2nd pair of ears to help with my sanity questioning. She is a lot saner than I am.

Anyway, I wish you could experience this strange phenomenon for yourself. Does it make sense? Not fully, but it's real. Just ask any Goldenear

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Wait wait, I did not get a chance to respond to the question to me.
I cannot explain it Scientifically, I cannot provide any references to 2X Blind listening tests or White Papers. I can only say what I heard. You should scan over my link where I explained what I was hearing at each interval of aprprox hours of listening.

Fyne Audio F502SP Review Thread

Keep in mind, I did say the following early on in my review, Post #1

"Note: Either I am getting more used to the presentation (yes my ears are breaking in along with the drivers) but hoping the punchiness diminishes a little more. It is not an issue at lower volume. And that is another thing about these speakers, they sound great at low volume."

I had a similar experience with a new pair of Dynaudio speakers over 20 years ago. I guess it all depends on the Speaker (drivers) and maybe what music you listen to. My bet is you will break a woofer in faster with Marcus Miller than Dianna Krall. YMMV

It was a interesting time period going from These speakers are awesome to These speakers don't sound right and back and forth. I did have a 2nd pair of ears to help with my sanity questioning. She is a lot saner than I am.

Anyway, I wish you could experience this strange phenomenon for yourself. Does it make sense? Not fully, but it's real. Just ask any Goldenear

Trying to justify what you hear to anyone who thinks they know better than you what you are hearing is a complete waste of your time and energy. It's best to simply laugh at them and ignore.

Most of these people just want to argue no matter what you say, so just know what they are, laugh and move on and engage the open minded and respectful people on the forum.

speakers/crossovers do not take 400-500 hrs to break in, that's absurd, they need some hrs to break in the spider, suspension, etc that's it. a planar type speaker does take a lot more time do to the size of the planar but I still doubt its 500hrs

hope they sound great, never heard them but I did enjoy the large tannoys from years ago

On Fyne's on website, it notes "Your speaker driver will have a degree of tension in the spider and the cone material and the surrounds for example will be a little stiffer. All of these parts will, over a fairly short period of time, loosen up and improve the overall sound quality. This usually takes around 24 to 36 hours of total play time. How you approach this breaking in period will probably vary from person to person, and you will probably find a multitude of options if you search the internet, but there are certain methods which we would recommend for achieving this." So basically its a personal decision on how a person proceeds.

I've always wanted to hear the F700 bookshelf.

Originally Posted by CPP

On Fyne's on website, it notes "Your speaker driver will have a degree of tension in the spider and the cone material and the surrounds for example will be a little stiffer. All of these parts will, over a fairly short period of time, loosen up and improve the overall sound quality. This usually takes around 24 to 36 hours of total play time. How you approach this breaking in period will probably vary from person to person, and you will probably find a multitude of options if you search the internet, but there are certain methods which we would recommend for achieving this." So basically its a personal decision on how a person proceeds.

I've always wanted to hear the F700 bookshelf.

pretty much, 50hrs or so depending on. music/volume

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Dave, just some info for context. The break-in time for capacitors in correlated with the type and material composition of the capacitor. The proprietary Teflon caps that Conrad-Johnson uses in their products have a very long burn-in time. While C-J states the standard "300 hours", in reality it was more like 1000 hours. It took me the better part of 3 years to fully burn-in my CT-5 preamp. Cheers.

I agree with your post on Dynaudio speakers on another forum not to be mentioned. Similar experience to my Audience 82s and my Fynes.

Originally Posted by Porsche

pretty much, 50hrs or so depending on. music/volume

I personally spoke with the actual design team of the F704's. They seem to disagree with you. But I'm sure you know better.

Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

I personally spoke with the actual design team of the F704's. They seem to disagree with you. But I'm sure you know better.

there blog on there site, 9/27/22

3 ways to run in your speakers
Now that you have your shiny new speakers all set up in the correct position and you’ve managed to wire them up using our wiring advice blog, let’s talk about running them in, otherwise referred to as breaking in or burning in.
Running in, Breaking In, Burn In, what is it and why do we do it?
While all our speakers are built to our Fyne exacting standards, much like when you buy a new car, the brakes and engine need some bedding in time to be at their best. Your speaker driver will have a degree of tension in the spider and the cone material and the surrounds for example will be a little stiffer. All of these parts will, over a fairly short period of time, loosen up and improve the overall sound quality. This usually takes around 24 to 36 hours of total play time. How you approach this breaking in period will probably vary from person to person, and you will probably find a multitude of options if you search the internet, but there are certain methods which we would recommend for achieving this.

I guess they changed to a much stiffer Spyder and harder cone materials

you may want to let them know about the discrepancy of 24-36hrs and 400hrs, pretty large difference

like I said before, I believe in breaking in cables/speakers/gear etc but it does not take 500hrs

we build with accuton drivers which are ceramic and they take about 75hrs or so to sound natural, same with dynaudio

Originally Posted by Porsche

there blog on there site, 9/27/22

3 ways to run in your speakers
Now that you have your shiny new speakers all set up in the correct position and you’ve managed to wire them up using our wiring advice blog, let’s talk about running them in, otherwise referred to as breaking in or burning in.
Running in, Breaking In, Burn In, what is it and why do we do it?
While all our speakers are built to our Fyne exacting standards, much like when you buy a new car, the brakes and engine need some bedding in time to be at their best. Your speaker driver will have a degree of tension in the spider and the cone material and the surrounds for example will be a little stiffer. All of these parts will, over a fairly short period of time, loosen up and improve the overall sound quality. This usually takes around 24 to 36 hours of total play time. How you approach this breaking in period will probably vary from person to person, and you will probably find a multitude of options if you search the internet, but there are certain methods which we would recommend for achieving this.

I guess they changed to a much stiffer Spyder and harder cone materials

you may want to let them know about the discrepancy of 24-36hrs and 400hrs, pretty large difference

like I said before, I believe in breaking in cables/speakers/gear etc but it does not take 500hrs

we build with accuton drivers which are ceramic and they take about 75hrs or so to sound natural, same with dynaudio

I already did. They agreed with me about the hours needed.

And so does the distributor whose exact words to me the other day was "people who refuse to face reality about the hundreds of hours needed are either deaf or not very good at listening".

Again, I really don't care what you've convinced yourself. You are welcome to believe whatever you'd like. What you think has no relevance in my life. I'm not going to argue with some guy who's never tired them for himself yet thinks he's an expert because he puts some drivers in an enclosure vs actually designing drivers from scratch.

Aren't you the one who also said you never follow the proper break in procedure on your cars as you know better than them? I sense a trend...

Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

I already did. They agreed with me about the hours needed.

And so does the distributor whose exact words to me the other day was "people who refuse to face reality about the hundreds of hours needed are either deaf or not very good at listening".

Again, I really don't care what you've convinced yourself. You are welcome to believe whatever you'd like. What you think has no relevance in my life. I'm not going to argue with some guy who's never tired them for himself yet thinks he's an expert because he puts some drivers in an enclosure vs actually designing drivers from scratch.

Aren't you the one who also said you never follow the proper break in procedure on your cars as you know better than them? I sense a trend...

again, you may want to ask why they state what they state on there blog, an again I agree that they need break in.

also, I have owned over 30 Porsche 911 turbos and gt variances, none drove better from "break in"

sorry to ruffle your feathers and I'm not arguing, I just disagree, an I have experience from testing our drivers from new to used and I would bet you my pay check that you couldn't tell that speaker from 250hrs to 500hrs apart


sincerely, some guy

Originally Posted by Porsche

again, you may want to ask why they state what they state on there blog, an again I agree that they need break in.

also, I have owned over 30 Porsche 911 turbos and gt variances, none drove better from "break in"

sorry to ruffle your feathers and I'm not arguing, I just disagree, an I have experience from testing our drivers from new to used and I would bet you my pay check that you couldn't tell that speaker from 250hrs to 500hrs apart


sincerely, some guy

Ahhh, so you know better than Porsche as well. Interesting. You seem to be smarter than everyone and there seems to be a lot you can't pick up on by your own admission.

You can believe what you want. I just really don't care what you think.

No feathers ruffled. I find people who have no direct experience on the topic at hand who declare themselves as absolutists and experts entertaining.

Not sure this is putting your speakers in the best light.

If Dynaudio break in don't convince someone nothing will. I have never had a speaker take so long to break in. I nearly drove the dealer crazy because I was wondering if something was wrong or if they changed something since I auditioned them but my speakers did eventually break in. I didn't count hours but it was probably in the 2nd month of owning them and I let them play a lot while at work. That experience made me a firm believer.

My JBL took a good period to break in. They changed in sound more than any speaker I broke in. Like the JBL response seemed to change throughout the period before settling in. The Dyn's were fairly linear, just going from sort of an overly tight sound to loosening up and finding it's groove.

In contrast I don't remember my Revel F52 taking much break in. This could be why some folks experiences are different. Some manufacturers put time on the gear before packing as well.

I think people have different intensities that they listen at. If I listened to Porsche's speakers broke in I bet I could tell them apart from a pair out of the box.

If one doesn't notice they shouldn't dismiss others or try to belittle them with psycho talk. I nearly sent my N05xd back because I wasn't happy with the sound. It finally broke in and the sound was quite different from just out of the box. Now I have had at least two products I tried to break in, gave a lot of time and ended up selling them because I just was not happy with the sound. So I know break in IS NOT just ears adjusting or some such nonsense. I mean even after a break in time was given I just could not live with it. To be clear I went from ready to get rid of the N05xd to being a fanboy between out of the box until break in. Maybe one of my more dramatic break in experiences. Some of which is documented by my posts on the N05xd thread.

I wanted to add my experiences but as Michael says you can't convince someone with their mind made up. Just as we who have experienced break in them telling us it's false is like saying day is night.

I'd say my Maggie 1.7i's probably took a better part of 300 hours to finally settle in to what they are today. And that's with a variety of music non-stop as I keep my system up and running literally 24/7/365, so about two weeks.

guys, I totally agree about break in, don't try to spin my thoughts, what I do not agree an I said IMO is it does not take 500hrs to break in a speakers.

Michael you are offended but again it says 36-50hrs or whatever to get max sound, that on there website, doesn't say 400 plus, again, you should mention that to them so they can change it.

you haven't heard our speakers, but again I use accuton, ceramic drivers that are very harsh for the 1st 75-100hrs, I also use all mundorf and clarity caps/resistors along with mundorf and goertz inductors, all there upper end parts.

another brand that uses accuton, marten loudspeakers, direct from there website

"The higher the quality of a loudspeaker system, the more demanding it will be regarding burn-in time. Your newly unpacked 2 loudspeakers need quite a bit of playing time to reach their optimum performance capability.
We have enclosed a CD to help speed up this process. Please allow the CD to be run for a minimum of 24 hours before attempting to adjust the placement of the loudspeakers in your listening room. Due to the high-tech materials used in the drivers, the 2 will sound a bit harsh in the beginning, but after 50 hours of playing your loudspeakers will sound good.
After about 200 hours of playing, your system will be optimized. The sound will be more open and detailed, and display more natural musical warmth.
Compare the process to that of a fine musical instrument, which has to be played for a period of time before reaching its full musical potential."

an do not twist my words about Porsche, never did I say I know better than Porsche, what I said is I have never noticed quicker shifting, speed, handling, etc from the day I bought one to the day I sold one unless I had modifications done to the car, never blown a turbo because I did not keep the rpms under 2500 for 2000 miles or whatever they recommend, I guess I have been extremely lucky

at the end of the day we test our drivers with a kipple etc and after about 100hrs there is no noticeable difference on the graphs of break in changing, that's not my ears telling me that, that test gear telling me that

so again, sorry to offend you and hope you enjoy the fynes, look forward to hearing them at axon next year

later

Originally Posted by Porsche

guys, I totally agree about break in, don't try to spin my thoughts, what I do not agree an I said IMO is it does not take 500hrs to break in a speakers.

Michael you are offended but again it says 36-50hrs or whatever to get max sound, that on there website, doesn't say 400 plus, again, you should mention that to them so they can change it.

you haven't heard our speakers, but again I use accuton, ceramic drivers that are very harsh for the 1st 75-100hrs, I also use all mundorf and clarity caps/resistors along with mundorf and goertz inductors, all there upper end parts.

another brand that uses accuton, marten loudspeakers, direct from there website

"The higher the quality of a loudspeaker system, the more demanding it will be regarding burn-in time. Your newly unpacked 2 loudspeakers need quite a bit of playing time to reach their optimum performance capability.
We have enclosed a CD to help speed up this process. Please allow the CD to be run for a minimum of 24 hours before attempting to adjust the placement of the loudspeakers in your listening room. Due to the high-tech materials used in the drivers, the 2 will sound a bit harsh in the beginning, but after 50 hours of playing your loudspeakers will sound good.
After about 200 hours of playing, your system will be optimized. The sound will be more open and detailed, and display more natural musical warmth.
Compare the process to that of a fine musical instrument, which has to be played for a period of time before reaching its full musical potential."

an do not twist my words about Porsche, never did I say I know better than Porsche, what I said is I have never noticed quicker shifting, speed, handling, etc from the day I bought one to the day I sold one unless I had modifications done to the car, never blown a turbo because I did not keep the rpms under 2500 for 2000 miles or whatever they recommend, I guess I have been extremely lucky

at the end of the day we test our drivers with a kipple etc and after about 100hrs there is no noticeable difference on the graphs of break in changing, that's not my ears telling me that, that test gear telling me that

so again, sorry to offend you and hope you enjoy the fynes, look forward to hearing them at axon next year

later

I only get offended if someone I care about says something that bothers me. I could not care less what you think, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, hence there is nothing to get offended about.

Besides, why would I get offended at someone who is making me laugh?

Originally Posted by Mr Peabody

If Dynaudio break in don't convince someone nothing will. I have never had a speaker take so long to break in.

Yup, right with you on that one. In direct my experience, about 300 hours are required. And, they go through a period where they sound pretty bad before they get better and come fully "on song", as it were.

Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

I only get offended if someone I care about says something that bothers me. I could not care less what you think, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, hence there is nothing to get offended about.

Besides, why would I get offended at someone who is making me laugh?

whatever man, have a good one

Originally Posted by Porsche

whatever man, have a good one

If he didn't care about what you said, he wouldn't have gone into full attack mode.

Too much bitterness around here, especially at Christmas time.

Originally Posted by chops

Too much bitterness around here, especially at Christmas time.

im not bitter at all and I did not attack anyone, I voiced my opinion and at the end of the day stand by by my opinion and I test our drivers and that's what counts

Originally Posted by mep

If he didn't care about what you said, he wouldn't have gone into full attack mode.

clearly offended by what I said but again, its my opinion and I stand by it

Originally Posted by stereogeek

I like to say 50-100 hours for equipment break-in and the rest is listener break-in.

bingo, we have a winner

Originally Posted by Porsche

bingo, we have a winner

Generally an accurate time-frame, but not so for Dynaudio Esotar tweeters or C-J Teflon caps. But that's just fine; it is what it is.

IMHO, life's too short to get too worked up about about things like cap burn-in or driver break-in or asking how many angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

This is just a hobby we do for fun, after all.

As Hans Beekhuizen says, Enjoy the music.

One more thing to consider, we ALL hear things a little differently and we ALL have different brains to interpret what we ALL hear different. No 2 people hear exactly the same for many reasons including the shape of your head and ears, if you wear glasses, if you worked around heavy machinery, loud cars, loud live music and so on. What is interesting is that there are about as many people who agree it sometimes takes longer to break in a specific set of speakers (Dynaudio, Fyne) as there are people who say it is not so but have never owned a set of speakers that are being discussed. It is not black and white and one rule of thumb for everyone. If you don't hear a difference, maybe there is none or maybe it is your ears and brain tricking you in reverse.

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

If you don't hear a difference, maybe there is none or maybe it is your ears and brain tricking you in reverse.

It's always fun to watch people claim they know what someone else can and can't hear and that they know better than the multitude of people who tried to converse with then telling them how they are wrong.

They know better than car manufacturers, better than speaker manufacturers, better than other people who've actually heard speakers they haven't.

Makes you wonder why they get so angry about everything and feel the need to be the contrarian. I wonder if their sky is green?

Keep us posted on the progress, Mike. Seems like they are close.