Anyone dumping their power conditiner?

**TheOctopus** · December 3, 2020, 12:30 AM

Why do people abandon their power conditioners? - YouTube

**Alpinist** · December 3, 2020, 03:02 AM

Nope. I love my Niagara 5000’s. Great linear noise reduction. Totally neutral sonically. Outstanding dynamics. Tremendously transparent when used in conjunction with the Dragon Power Cords. No desire to try anything else.

Ken

**Hear Here** · December 3, 2020, 08:20 AM

I've only dumped one power conditioner - a PS Audio one. Physically noisy (it buzzed) and apparently no improvement to sound quality.

**UltraFast69** · December 3, 2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

I've only dumped one power conditioner - a PS Audio one. Physically noisy (it buzzed) and apparently no improvement to sound quality.

If you still have it, and you willing to apply some effort, you should consider trying it in a different room or a friends house to see if it still buzzes.

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**Hear Here** · December 3, 2020, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by UltraFast69

If you still have it, and you willing to apply some effort, you should consider trying it in a different room or a friends house to see if it still buzzes.

Long since ditched, but used in 2 rooms and at 2 homes. Luckily I could return it to the dealer, but attitude from PSA at the time not helpful. This was many years ago, but my view of PSA has stuck and not helped by it's owner's way of doing business.

**UltraFast69** · December 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Hear Here

Long since ditched, but used in 2 rooms and at 2 homes. Luckily I could return it to the dealer, but attitude from PSA at the time not helpful. This was many years ago, but my view of PSA has stuck and not helped by it's owner's way of doing business.

Got it, at least you were able to return it. On goes the march

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**Mike** · December 3, 2020, 10:26 AM

Everest 8000 w/Omega XC is what I’m looking for in a power conditioner.

My Niagra 5000 is in the HT and perfect for that system as it has 12 outlets and a top quality product.

**MPW** · December 3, 2020, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Nope. I love my Niagara 5000’s. Great linear noise reduction. Totally neutral sonically. Outstanding dynamics. Tremendously transparent when used in conjunction with the Dragon Power Cords. No desire to try anything else.

Ken

Agreed on the Niagara 5000. Mine isn't going anywhere.

**asindc** · December 3, 2020, 11:24 AM

Love my Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE.

**Gene** · December 3, 2020, 01:00 PM

I had a MIT Z Stabilizer way back in the early 90s and also thought,at least for a while. it made everything better.
It did shave off more than noise though...kind of like the analogy of using a sledgehammer to kill a fly!
I think PC's have drastically improved since then.

**2fastdriving** · December 3, 2020, 02:02 PM

I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears

**TheOctopus** · December 3, 2020, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears

Classic. That is the "checkmate" audiophile statement after which there is usually silence. If it was only that simple...

**BlueFox** · December 3, 2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears

I agree.

**still-one** · December 3, 2020, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Classic. That is the "checkmate" audiophile statement after which there is usually silence. If it was only that simple...

I would agree with Marc that the Everest's capabilities were readily apparent to me. I also agree with you that one might refrain from questioning an others hearing in an open forum. There are plenty of times I may have thought this over the years but "normally" keep my fingers off the keyboard.

**2fastdriving** · December 3, 2020, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by still-one

I would agree with Marc that the Everest's capabilities were readily apparent to me. I also agree with you that one might refrain from questioning an others hearing in an open forum. There are plenty of times I may have thought this over the years but "normally" keep my fingers off the keyboard.

I guess I need to work on my restraint!

**still-one** · December 3, 2020, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I guess I need to work on my restraint!

Ir's not that I don't agree.

**laynesaddiction** · December 3, 2020, 03:49 PM

I dumped these two for the following reasons:

Equi=Tech 2Q - The Niagara 7000 was better in my system.

Niagara 7000 - Two reasons: It buzzed annoyingly at times and while I was able to eliminate most of it, eventually the buzz came back where I couldn't take it anymore. The GigaWatt PC-4 EVO+ was/is better in my system and it doesn't buzz!

Still running and happy with the Gigawatt PC-4 EVO+

**TheOctopus** · December 3, 2020, 03:56 PM

Since I am always curious about how the mind works, if one "heard" a clear improvement yet read 100 others saying that product is junk, how long does it take before doubt sets in?

**CPP** · December 3, 2020, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears

Which model is it ?

**CPP** · December 3, 2020, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Since I am always curious about how the mind works, if one "heard" a clear improvement yet read 100 others saying that product is junk, how long does it take before doubt sets in?

maybe it depends on the persons residence, be it an apartment, condo, home that you own and the condition the power and its ground is at the unit/home. A renter can't do anything to their power outside of the unit, pretty much the same for a condo owner when multiple units are connected and the group shares the same power feed into the unit. We don't know whom in the groups is a renter, or owns a single unit condo or owns their own home. A power conditioner might be able to provide some improvement in those cases. Its a mater of a persons perception. And or, a person having some weird feelings about taking a huge loss on a $4000 + power conditioner if it doesn't do a darn thing and they have to try to sell it.

**Randy Myers** · December 3, 2020, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I guess I need to work on my restraint!

Hmmm, maybe it is just me but I do not think I saw anyone questioning anyone else's ears here

.

BTW- I play on a different level but I am happy with my Niagara 1000.

**2fastdriving** · December 3, 2020, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by CPP

Which model is it ?

Denali 6000s v2.

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**mep** · December 3, 2020, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Hmmm, maybe it is just me but I do not think I saw anyone questioning anyone else's ears here

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BTW- I play on a different level but I am happy with my Niagara 1000.

Did you miss this:

“I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears”

**Randy Myers** · December 3, 2020, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by mep

Did you miss this:

“I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears”

I was using tongue in cheek because he had not actually said that specific to anyone but instead was using a generic phrase

.

**BlueFox** · December 4, 2020, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by mep

Did you miss this:

“I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound. Anyone that claims otherwise needs to get a more resolving system or a new set of ears”

Why did you leave the Smiley (

) off of the quote? Your misquote changes the context, and makes it different than what was written and intended.

**mep** · December 4, 2020, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Why did you leave the Smiley (

) off of the quote? Your misquote changes the context, and makes it different than what was written and intended.

Smiley faces can have double meanings too Bud. Just because you put a smiley face on words you used doesn't mean you don't believe what you just wrote.

**Cincy2** · December 4, 2020, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Everest 8000 w/Omega XC is what I’m looking for in a power conditioner.

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

**Puma Cat** · December 4, 2020, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I will never ditch my Shunyata power conditioner! It does a lot for my sound.

Likewise.

Everest 8000 is a veritable breakthrough for a power distributor.

**Puma Cat** · December 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

Everest 8000 has a 30 Amp current limit. No heat and no buzz.

**Alpinist** · December 4, 2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

Hi Eric,

You have a wonderful system, top of the line all the way. Are you satisfied with your P20? If so, then why consider changing?

Best,
Ken

**Cincy2** · December 4, 2020, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Hi Eric,

You have a wonderful system, top of the line all the way. Are you satisfied with your P20? If so, then why consider changing?

Best,
Ken

Ken

This is truly an insightful question and goes to the root cause of our (my) disease. I alway wonder if the system could be better..whether I'm satisfied (which I am) or not.

Eric

**Puma Cat** · December 4, 2020, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

I haven't heard a P20, but I know that the owner of another large audio forum had all PS Audio P20s in all his systems, and replaced virtually all of them with Denali V2s because he said they were clearly superior.

And...many members in that forum that also had P10s and P20s and they also sold them, and replaced them with Denalis and Everest power distributors, and they're really happy with them.

The Denali V2 is a superb PD; Everest is on another level altogether.

**Mike** · December 4, 2020, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

The subs are no problem. The amps can plug into the 8000 too and we should try direct into the wall if possible. I think the 8000/XC is outstanding and really releases the music.

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**2fastdriving** · December 4, 2020, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

Mike

PS Audio P20 vs Shunyata Everest 8000? I know you've heard both.

Any limitations to the current draw on the Everest? I have to run two MSB beast amps, two Magico beast subs plus my Select II from the same 20 amp outlet. If I don't I get a nasty ground loop / buzz that I could never fix.

Anyone else have experience with both?

Eric

I don't but I replaced my P10 with the Denali 6000s V2. There was no comparison, the Shunyata put my system on steroids. Everything was better: resolution, sound stage, bass, transients, everything. I am scared to try the Everest, but i am sure it will be in my future.

**LenWhite** · December 4, 2020, 04:30 PM

The Ansuz Mainz 8 DTC power distributor I put in my system in 2019 greatly improved the sound dynamics and articulation. Ansuz offers four price levels of these power distributors: Mainz 8 A2, C2, D2, DTC.

Ansuz dislikes power conditioners based on transformers, capacitors, and inductors. Instead of filtering AC, their open coils attenuate the peaks of transients atop the 50/60Hz wave to soften the HF spikes and change the shape of the noise. A transient in a coil creates a current which the counter-rotating coil cancels.
D2 Mainz8 & Mainz loom

**TheOctopus** · December 4, 2020, 04:36 PM

Back in the day, I've often fussed over power conditioners. Isolation transformer types, passive, active, active with battery packs for better transient response, power regenerator types... I've read all about the theories, the power correction factors, the stored potential and collapsing fields in big transformers inducing "juice" back into the circuits as the transients would "sag" the power lines... Bologna!

Never once did I find the AC to be so bad as to actually hear much of a difference. In the house where I ran dedicated 20 amp circuits for the dedicated listening/theater room with 7.2 and tons of amps and monstrous subs, I also could not hear any difference but still kept them around.

I still use them to this day but it is a very simple, well built unit from a manufacturer who designs and sells many of highest quality toroidal transformers to other "players" in the field. It offers protection and isolates from noise. That's all. I still do not hear a difference between IT and straight to the wall with my humble Luxman and Harbeth. I guess I need a better system and better ears as it is popular to point out among the audiophiles. But I am just a 30 plus year scholar of audio and music appreciation. I have much to learn evidently

**Kingrex** · December 4, 2020, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Back in the day, I've often fussed over power conditioners. Isolation transformer types, passive, active, active with battery packs for better transient response, power regenerator types...

Back in the day was a time when Power Conditioners did a lot of harm. There is some cutting edge technology that has come about recently with Shunyata, Add Power Nordost and Ansuz.

**Puma Cat** · December 4, 2020, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

Back in the day, I've often fussed over power conditioners. Isolation transformer types, passive, active, active with battery packs for better transient response, power regenerator types... I've read all about the theories, the power correction factors, the stored potential and collapsing fields in big transformers inducing "juice" back into the circuits as the transients would "sag" the power lines... Bologna!

Never once did I find the AC to be so bad as to actually hear much of a difference. In the house where I ran dedicated 20 amp circuits for the dedicated listening/theater room with 7.2 and tons of amps and monstrous subs, I also could not hear any difference but still kept them around.

I still use them to this day but it is a very simple, well built unit from a manufacturer who designs and sells many of highest quality toroidal transformers to other "players" in the field. It offers protection and isolates from noise. That's all. I still do not hear a difference between IT and straight to the wall with my humble Luxman and Harbeth. I guess I need a better system and better ears as it is popular to point out among the audiophiles. But I am just a 30 plus year scholar of audio and music appreciation. I have much to learn evidently

We should never be done learning...

While some noise comes from AC Mains (you can watch this video of the AM radio on mine:Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube ), a large proportion of the noise in our systems comes from the components themselves: from the full wave bridge rectifiers in the power supplies of our components, most notably the power amps.

From an article Caelin wrote some years back:
"Most components use FWBR (full wave bridge rectifier) power supplies that generate an incredible amount of transient noise when the rectifiers switch off. The design of a power cable can significantly affect the reactance of these signals within the power supply. The power cable is effectively part of the primary winding of the power transformer. The transition between the various metals used in a power cable and its connectors can cause electromagnetic reflections and diode-like rectification of the noise impulses as they propagate away from the power supply. If the power cable presents a high impedance to these signals they will be reflected back into the power supply where they will intermodulate, thus increasing the high frequency noise levels of the component. Most power supply filters are ineffective at blocking very high frequency noise components and much of it is passed through to the DC rails. The sonic effects of this include: high background noise levels, blurred or slurred transients and a general lack of clarity and purity of the sound or visual image.”

**Kingrex** · December 4, 2020, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

We should never be done learning...

, a large proportion of the noise in our systems comes from the components themselves: from the full wave bridge rectifiers in the power supplies of our components, most notably the power amps.

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A big reason why I tell everyone to put their amps on a separate branch circuit. Even better monoblocks on their own circuit. And yet I still get told 1 circuit is best.

**TheOctopus** · December 4, 2020, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

We should never be done learning...

While some noise comes from AC Mains (you can watch this video of the AM radio on mine:Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube ), a large proportion of the noise in our systems comes from the components themselves: from the full wave bridge rectifiers in the power supplies of our components, most notably the power amps.

From an article Caelin wrote some years back:
"Most components use FWBR (full wave bridge rectifier) power supplies that generate an incredible amount of transient noise when the rectifiers switch off. The design of a power cable can significantly affect the reactance of these signals within the power supply. The power cable is effectively part of the primary winding of the power transformer. The transition between the various metals used in a power cable and its connectors can cause electromagnetic reflections and diode-like rectification of the noise impulses as they propagate away from the power supply. If the power cable presents a high impedance to these signals they will be reflected back into the power supply where they will intermodulate, thus increasing the high frequency noise levels of the component. Most power supply filters are ineffective at blocking very high frequency noise components and much of it is passed through to the DC rails. The sonic effects of this include: high background noise levels, blurred or slurred transients and a general lack of clarity and purity of the sound or visual image.Â”

That all sounds great and I enjoy reading white papers that contradict other white papers from others, etc.. It all makes for very entertaining discussions. Keeping in mind that precision instruments capable of reaching -130dB of noise floor, (way beyond our hearing limits) accurately and beyond are not plugged into a power conditioner... and are relying on the same rectification as our audio gear for the most part.

I find amusing and entertaining as various manufacturers are always pointing out flaws in other designs in the obvious wrestling match for your buck.

I do not and have not experienced slurred or blurred transients, not in my D'Agostino amps which I did not run on power conditioners and not on my tube amp today. The sharpness and my system's transient response of Niels Lofgren's guitar chords are as lightning fast as they were in my previous systems, with and without power conditioners.

My lights do not dim with each kick of the kick drum on Rush's La Villa Strangiato (arguably number 1 drum rock performance) and they never did with any system. The 1800 or 2400 watts of power available from a household outlet in either 15 or 20 amp variety was always more than any of my amps could draw, even transiently.

I personally do not have anything against them. If you believe, see, hear, feel, taste, smell, something with (insert your favorite here) then so be it. I think in the end it buys a peace of mind that you have added another expensive component to ensure maximum performance from your investment into other components.

For me, it is much simpler. I use a Balanced power conditioner that offers high efficiency, toroidal, (not EI) isolation transformer. It does not shunt voltage spikes to ground but absorbs it and provides surge suppression that is resettable. All the grunge if it ever existed and would get filtered out by the power supply anyways, will stop right there at this point.

But more importantly, it is useful because it is Balanced and offers Under Voltage Protection (brown outs) and Over Voltage Protection.

As far as Balanced： It is of the CMR philosophy. Since balanced power, the voltages are of opposite polarity, given that most interference in a typical AC line
is common between the two lines, the noise in the lines is eliminated when the two lines are added together. This is effectively known as
Common Mode Rejection (CMR).

What else may exist beyond this very affordable and solidly engineered product by a company that supplies virtually the whole world with their products, is the rarified air that I will never breathe because I just don't find anything lacking in my system with or without it or any other expensive passive or active conditioner or even a regenerator. Neither my amps nor my AC circuits are complaining. My ears do not disagree either.

**Alpinist** · December 4, 2020, 10:08 PM

If I was starting from scratch, I might give the Everest/Omega XC a try. But with the money I have invested in AudioQuest Dragon Power Cords, which I absolutely love the sound of, I wouldn’t risk going off the AQ reservation with the Everest Power Conditioner.

Ken

**Kingrex** · December 4, 2020, 10:28 PM

[QUOTE=TheOctopus;317094I just don't find anything lacking in my system with or without it or any other expensive passive or active conditioner or even a regenerator. Neither my amps nor my AC circuits are complaining. My ears do not disagree either.[/QUOTE]

Serg is lucky. He's done. I'm pretty happy too, but I'm always aware what is improving in the industry and thoughtful about whether it's time to adopt new technology. Things are better today, such as power conditioners. Speaker technology as well as crossovers and cabinetry has come a long way. Class D is starting to shine. Lots is going on. At this time I have some simple Add Power components but they brought a world of improvement to my already excellent foundational power.

**TheOctopus** · December 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kingrex

Serg is lucky. He's done. I'm pretty happy too, but I'm always aware what is improving in the industry and thoughtful about whether it's time to adopt new technology. Things are better today, such as power conditioners. Speaker technology as well as crossovers and cabinetry has come a long way. Class D is starting to shine. Lots is going on. At this time I have some simple Add Power components but they brought a world of improvement to my already excellent foundational power.

There is always something going on. Always something new. Always a new cable, always a new speaker and amp. The industry can not stand still. They depend on new purchases.
I've honestly lost track and I have tried to stay current over the past 3 decades. About 7 years ago I finally got burned out and actually took a nice, long break from it all with just a pair of headphones. It was very refreshing.
I was in no hurry to get back into it.
I reached out to Mike this time around because he carried components I knew would be comfortable with and built a modest but a pleasant and enjoyable system.
Not chasing lofty goals, not looking for that elusive concept of nirvana. There is no best in this highly subjective hobby with no standards or gauges to measure your success or failure by except your own ears. My ears are happy with what I have now just as they were before. If you enjoy your system for hours at a time, mission accomplished. Great sound does not disappear from your system because a new speaker appeared at the dealer.

**Kingrex** · December 5, 2020, 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=TheOctopus;317108]There is always something going on. Always something new. Always a new cable, always a new speaker and amp. The industry can not stand still. They depend on new purchases.

Are you in some sort of way trying to imply the world should stop because your happy?

**TheOctopus** · December 5, 2020, 01:00 AM

[QUOTE=Kingrex;317118]

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

There is always something going on. Always something new. Always a new cable, always a new speaker and amp. The industry can not stand still. They depend on new purchases.

Are you in some sort of way trying to imply the world should stop because your happy?

What? No. I’m saying the world can’t stand still but if one is happy, there is no need trying to chase it.

**Kingrex** · December 5, 2020, 01:21 AM

[QUOTE=TheOctopus;317119]

Originally Posted by Kingrex

What? No. I’m saying the world can’t stand still but if one is happy, there is no need trying to chase it.

Well put

**UltraFast69** · December 5, 2020, 04:10 AM

Power into your home and subsequently into your system is what you want to keep your eye on and ear to.

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**W9TR** · December 5, 2020, 08:55 AM

I have tried regeneration and isolation transformers. The regeneration was a bust, the isolation transformer made some things better and some worse.

More recently I have taken a more scientific approach using commercial off the shelf power line filters from Corcom and putting them in the power feeds of my gear. I measured the before/after noise using my Audio Precision System 222 up to 500 kHz and a software defined radio from 500 kHz to 10 MHz. Bottom line - they work very well keeping all the trash generated by my digital front end off of the power line. Also I have created a separate ground buss that is connected to earth through a 7 Hy inductor. That has helped as well. I am still experimenting with this.

I am lucky in that our utilities to the house are on a single transformer I don’t share with the neighbors.

**Mike Lavigne** · December 5, 2020, 10:13 AM

i've been done with any sort of power conditioning since i installed my 'big boy' 10WQ Equi=tech 10kva balanced isolation transformer wall panel system back in 2011.

Wall Cabinet Systems | Equitech

i run my whole system on that. i also have 'dirty' power outlets next to my 'clean' power outlets in my room so it's easy to always be able to compare balanced regenerated power with straight through power grid power. so far; 100% of the time it's no contest.

i do strongly believe that power grids and solutions are not one size fits all. i happen to live in a newer housing community with modern lines and equipment, my room is in a barn, which is a separate building from my home. my home does have it's own transformer. i'm away from the city in the mountains on acreage, away from power grid polluting industry. my power comes from hydro sources and my location is relatively close to the power grid source.

even with all those advantages (or possibly because of them), my Equi=tech made a significant improvement in lower noise, increased dynamics and increased refinement and ease. and it replaced a dedicated 70 amp line and panel already installed.

would my Equi=tech be equally effective everywhere? no clue.

i've had manufacturers bring their gear to my room claiming that their gear would not be helped with my Equi=tech. so we did a quick A/B. not hard to hear the advantage of the Equi=tech. interestingly, one of those events happens to be my local friend Ted Smith.......who designs the dac for PS Audio (Paul McGowan), brought his dac design over a few years back to hear in my system.

here is Paul, mentioning Ted.

Listening is scary | PS Audio

**mep** · December 5, 2020, 10:36 AM

[QUOTE=Kingrex;317118]

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

There is always something going on. Always something new. Always a new cable, always a new speaker and amp. The industry can not stand still. They depend on new purchases.

Are you in some sort of way trying to imply the world should stop because your happy?

He never said anything remotely close to your question.

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