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    Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    An email I received this morning from Roon:

    Important Changes to how Roon interacts with your Roon Ready devices
    Dear Roon subscriber,

    When we first started our Roon Ready certification program, our goal was to provide a way for our customers to know that they were getting the best possible experience with their audio devices. People have come to trust Roon Ready devices to not only sound great, but work seamlessly in their homes with Roon.

    In an effort to continue making Roon Ready a reliable, trustworthy signifier of quality, we are implementing some changes to what happens when a Roon Ready device has not completed the certification process.

    What is changing?
    Starting September 21st, Roon Ready devices that are uncertified will no longer have the ability to be enabled on the Audio Settings screen. When this change is made, uncertified devices will be discoverable, but cannot be Enabled for use with Roon.

    Why is it changing?
    The Roon Ready certification allows people to trust that they’re getting the best quality possible, but when products are prematurely released before their certification is complete, that trust is undermined. Not only can it create problematic situations for all parties involved, it hurts the reputation of the entire Roon Ready program.

    How will this impact me?
    If your device is Enabled in Roon’s settings, it will stay Enabled. But if you Disable the device, you will not be able to Enable it again after September 21st.
    If you purchase a device that is not certified as Roon Ready, you will not be able to Enable it for use after September 21st.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I have no issue with this at all. If you follow the Roon Community website you see never ending variations of product that Roon users pull together. Why should they have to spend time supporting non-Roon Ready devices?
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    My NAD M10 was advertised as Roon Ready when I purchased it. The M10 no longer shows Roon Ready on NAD's website. I had lots of problems with the M10 and Roon and reached out to NAD's support on several occasions with log files and other information. Basically NAD and Roon pointed fingers at each other and the problems were never solved. Now I have a Bricasti M3 which is Roon Ready - Uncertified.

    I don't have "never ending variations of product". If the device shows up and Roon software and allows me to enable it then Roon should allow it but not offer support if it is uncertified. They have allowed dozens of devices to be enabled that are uncertified and now they are effectively going to turn them off. If you move your Roon core to another server your devices are dead, if you have to reinstall Roon on your current server, your devices are dead in the water. If you buy a new server and move Roon there your existing devices are dead.

    It isn't my fault that Roon won't support vendors trying to implement their solution. And what prevents Roon from having a dispute with a Bricasti, NAD or other audio company and disabling their devices in Roon with a future software upgrade out of spite or some other unknown reason? I have spoken with NAD regarding the problems I had with the N10 and they basically said Roon had no interest in working with them. I had a phone conversation with Bricast's owner several weeks ago and he had to prepare an emergency M3 DAC firmware upgrade because Roon made a change and didn't notify Bricasti of the change. Fortunately the firmware update fixed my problem.

    No, this situation is not tolerable. If Roon wants to give me a refund then I will walk away.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Isn't this situation similar to the way that Apple or Google work? For example, in the case of Apple, when they issue a new iOS, the App developers need to modify their software to work with Apple's new iOS. Sometimes, App developers are slow in making changes and their Apps stop working (I have quite a few paid Apps that stopped working due to changes in Apple's iOS). Apple is continually making changes to their iOS and it is up to the developers to follow suit. Not sure if in the case of NAD there is also an issue with competing systems (I believe that NAD owns Bluesound and BlueOS which may be a Roon OS competitor).

    Sometime ago, I used Roon with a non-compatible DAC. I used a very cheap Roon-Ready Raspberry Pi (less that $100) to connect with Roon and sent a digital signal to my DAC. It worked perfectly. I realize that this is not ideal in your case since you would not be able to see the album art on your NAD device, but it is a way to getting any device with digital inputs to work with Roon.

    Hopefully Roon and NAD can make peace soon and you will not be affected!

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    My NAD M10 was advertised as Roon Ready when I purchased it. The M10 no longer shows Roon Ready on NAD's website. I had lots of problems with the M10 and Roon and reached out to NAD's support on several occasions with log files and other information. Basically NAD and Roon pointed fingers at each other and the problems were never solved. Now I have a Bricasti M3 which is Roon Ready - Uncertified.

    I don't have "never ending variations of product". If the device shows up and Roon software and allows me to enable it then Roon should allow it but not offer support if it is uncertified. They have allowed dozens of devices to be enabled that are uncertified and now they are effectively going to turn them off. If you move your Roon core to another server your devices are dead, if you have to reinstall Roon on your current server, your devices are dead in the water. If you buy a new server and move Roon there your existing devices are dead.

    It isn't my fault that Roon won't support vendors trying to implement their solution. And what prevents Roon from having a dispute with a Bricasti, NAD or other audio company and disabling their devices in Roon with a future software upgrade out of spite or some other unknown reason? I have spoken with NAD regarding the problems I had with the N10 and they basically said Roon had no interest in working with them. I had a phone conversation with Bricast's owner several weeks ago and he had to prepare an emergency M3 DAC firmware upgrade because Roon made a change and didn't notify Bricasti of the change. Fortunately the firmware update fixed my problem.

    No, this situation is not tolerable. If Roon wants to give me a refund then I will walk away.
    Who says Roon doesn't support vendors trying to get their product certified? Their site lists over 120 products from around 50 vendors who offer Roon Ready Network devices.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I sold my NAD M10 but the buyer will use BluOS so he is fine. It is the uber expensive (to me) Bricasti M3 DAC Streamer that will stop working if I move the Roon core off my iMac to a NUC or other Music Server. A squabble between Roon and Bricasti shouldn't take away my ability to use my main DAC/Streamer. Also, I paid big money for the privilege to use Roon and today it works just fine with the M3. They will take away that capability if I disable then try to enable the M3 in Roon after September 21st. Also will lose the ability to use the M3 if I move my Roon core to another server, reinstall the Roon core on my iMac.

    Lastly what is to keep Roon from disabling vendor product in Roon if they have a falling out with the vendor?

    Roon dropped the ball badly on this issue but I know my opinion is just that. Others may feel differently.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    taking roon management at its word [which i have absolutely no reason not to] seems like a pretty reasonable and justifiable course of action on their part...

    from roon CTO:

    "This change prevents manufacturers from signing the Roon Ready license agreements, obtaining our SDK, building hardware using our technology, and then skipping our certification/review process and releasing unfinished, unreviewed products straight to customers.

    We don’t charge for certification, but going through our certification process is a hard requirement for manufacturers to use use our technology. It is the only way that we can maintain the quality + support level that people associate with Roon Ready.

    A tiny minority of manufacturers have released uncertified devices. We have been communicating with manufacturers about this coming change for over a year, and have provided ample time for them to come into compliance, and most of them have."


    and

    "This is only about manufacturers who licensed the Roon Ready SDK from us commercially, then violated our license by skipping the Roon Ready certification process. It’s not very many manufacturers. We began communicating with manufacturers about this in 2018. They have had ample warning to sort things out."

    from roon technical support manager:

    "This does not affect non Roon Ready devices like USB DACs, Roon Tested devices, Airplay, Sonos, etc. These devices will continue to be supported. If your device does not specifically say Uncertified on the audio settings screen, it will not be affected."
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    If there’s blame to go around, it lies with the equipment manufacturers who actively market their products as Roon certified when they are not. I was pleased to see that both my Lumin players were certified. And it appears that every LUMIN device was on the approved list. However, I also own a Bel Canto device that’s being sold as Roon certified but it is not. I bought the BC because it was (supposedly) Roon certified but now I feel like I was misled. Hopefully, this is a wake up call to manufacturers to complete the certification process. I also hope Roon extends the grace period to allow manufacturers to catch up.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I would love to hear from the manufacturers. I’ve heard many stories about moving the goal posts.


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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    As far as I see Roon is a heck of a lot easier to work with than other companies (Apple any one?) and unlike most others they do not charge to get your product certified. It is a way of assuring that devices work as customers expect. I really have no issues with this at all.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I guess this is not much different than some of the features I bought My OPPO 93s for. I wanted to watch Youtube movies. Then they change the software, deactivate the app and give you no way to watch Youtube from a player you bought with the app needed. I also have a Samsung TV they did the same thing with both Pandora and Youtube. Everything Electronics today is disposable because even if it lasts, it won't support what you bought it for a few years after you buy it.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I guess this is not much different than some of the features I bought My OPPO 93s for. I wanted to watch Youtube movies. Then they change the software, deactivate the app and give you no way to watch Youtube from a player you bought with the app needed. I also have a Samsung TV they did the same thing with both Pandora and Youtube. Everything Electronics today is disposable because even if it lasts, it won't support what you bought it for a few years after you buy it.
    My Samsung TV came with and advertised the MLB.TV app. It was the reason that I purchased that TV so I could watch my Yankees games. Well this year they took the app off their menus. Our new smaller TV in the other room allowed me to search for and install the app, but the main larger TV does not allow installing apps that are not part of their default apps. I can no longer watch one of the main reasons I purchased that TV... it happens from many companies.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I've been on both sides of a similar scenario, and I support Roon's decision. It's the right thing for the Roon ecosystem. It's unfortunate that the way it happened will make some things no longer work (I suspect this may be due to a lack of foresight on Roon's part). I also wonder if it may not actually be enforceable, which could create even bigger headaches for Roon going forward.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I think I said it! I have had two devices that were advertised as Roon Ready. The two I have experience with were the NAD M10 and the Bricasti M3 DAC with Ethernet Streaming. Both were shown in Roon as Roon Ready - Uncertified. Both were advertised as being Roon Ready (since removed from the NAD and Bricasti's websites).

    I have spoken by phone and email with NAD over a period of 12 months about problems with the N10 and Roon. NAD pointed the finger repeatedly at Roon and Roon did the same with NAD. Still not Roon Ready. I sold the M10. I now own and use in my main system the Bricasti M3 DAC/Streamer. I spoke by phone with the owner of Bricasti and he expressed his frustration with Roon. Still not Roon Ready.

    My frustration is that Roon won't support the M3 going forward and the conditions of losing support were noted above.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    NAD pointed the finger repeatedly at Roon and Roon did the same with NAD. Still not Roon Ready.

    My frustration is that Roon won't support the M3 going forward and the conditions of losing support were noted above.
    This. Bolded above. If I had a dollar for every time I heard the same thing. The complaint is that the goal post keeps being moved.


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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Oly View Post
    If there’s blame to go around, it lies with the equipment manufacturers who actively market their products as Roon certified when they are not. I was pleased to see that both my Lumin players were certified. And it appears that every LUMIN device was on the approved list. However, I also own a Bel Canto device that’s being sold as Roon certified but it is not. I bought the BC because it was (supposedly) Roon certified but now I feel like I was misled. Hopefully, this is a wake up call to manufacturers to complete the certification process. I also hope Roon extends the grace period to allow manufacturers to catch up.
    I think both Roon and manufacturers have valid points to make, but what you allude to is a definite bad showing by manufacturers. Either you are certified or you are not. I suppose Roon could be more diligent in informing the public with an accurate up-to-the-minute list of certified devices, but I don’t know if that is practical. Either way, manufacturers should NOT be selling products as Roon certified when they are not, especially if they do not have to pay for certification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    My Samsung TV came with and advertised the MLB.TV app. It was the reason that I purchased that TV so I could watch my Yankees games. Well this year they took the app off their menus. Our new smaller TV in the other room allowed me to search for and install the app, but the main larger TV does not allow installing apps that are not part of their default apps. I can no longer watch one of the main reasons I purchased that TV... it happens from many companies.
    I was just about to post the same thing about MLB.TV, but in my case it is TiVo that dropped it without warning.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I have heard second hand, that ROON keeps the product sent to them for certification. If true, that seems over the top.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    if i had to guess, at least part of this issue is driven by roon ongoing software development causing certification issues with static or lagging manufacturer hardware + firmware.

    if its any consolation: i really, really hate that my 1984 original mac won't run osX catalina

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    i really, really hate that my 1984 original mac won't run osX catalina

    ... you admit to having owned a 1984 original mac ...
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    From what has been posted, it looks as if the Bricasti M3 DAC/Streamer was never certified to be Roon-Ready by Roon. It also looks as if Bricasti misrepresented that fact.
    But the Bricasti can still be used with Roon when fed a digital signal from another Roon-Ready device. That is an inconvenience that is easy to overcome and once done, will be transparent.

    OTOH... I also owned equipment that came with built-in Apps for Netflix, YouTube, etc. The truth is that the GUI of those built-in apps pales (to be polite) compared to the GUI of the regular Roku/AppleTV/Fire/tablet versions.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    This dog has been beat to death on the Roon Forums.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I dropped Roon a few months ago and went to Logitech Media Server on an Intel NUC with a Raspberry Pi running MoOde Audio and the Material Skin. I still had 6 months on my Roon sub but I cancelled it anyway and haven't used it since. My Pi and LMS gives me almost everything Roon can do plus some other things that it can't and all for free, although I have donated to MoOde Audio and Material Skin a couple of times.

    This new policy implimented by Roon is another reason I didn't go lifetime sub as I knew they could move the goalposts at any time.

    It's also the reason I haven't bought an expensive dedicated streamer, far too easy to become obsolete.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I also, may be in the same situation with my PlayBack Designs equipment. One of the pieces I purchased is shown as Roon in their information but still shows up as Uncertified.
    Hopefully they come through with their certification.

    That said, I don't blame Roon for protecting the control of their products.

    I do have sympathy for other that with have a non-compliant product.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Well, I decided to give Roon a whirl tonight. When I clicked on the link from my Bryston BDP3 software for a 60 day trial, it went to the OPPS Roon Not Available page.

    Trying to sign up, the only option was a 14 day trial (credit card required) and no spot for a code such as Brystons.

    I did email customer support so we will see. Anyone with some inside down low?
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by crwilli View Post
    I have heard second hand, that ROON keeps the product sent to them for certification. If true, that seems over the top.
    Nothing like a juicy rumor to spice up the thread.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Nothing like a juicy rumor to spice up the thread.
    Well we have a vendor on this Forum that could answer that.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Well we have a vendor on this Forum that could answer that.
    "I have heard second hand..." doesn't give me any confidence in the rumor started by crwilli. Certification for Roon is free. How can it be free if they never get their products back from Roon after certification?

    People love a good villain to hate on and now Roon is the new villain based on this thread. IMO, Roon is the best software out there right now in digital audio land and I love it. The user interface is slick and I have zero complaints.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    There's nothing secretive about that. It's in a public list.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    There's nothing secretive about that. It's in a public list.
    Roon Knowledge Base - Partner Devices Matrix
    Let's not conflate "in house" for testing, QA, and certification as "never going back to the OEMs."
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    "IMO, Roon is the best software out there right now in digital audio land and I love it. The user interface is slick and I have zero complaints.

    "Best" based on what, GUI? Yes. Sound? No.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    "Best" based on what, GUI? Yes. Sound? No.
    So what software has better sound than Roon? Can you get more than two audiophiles in an elevator to agree with your choice? In what way(s) does your software choice sound better than Roon?
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    I have no horse in this race (I use and love ROON), but why would it be a bad thing for a company to "finally" enforce this type of quality measure? Seems pretty similar to Apple ecosystem. For a company to have grown such as ROON (in the context of the small audio world) they now have to deal with a ton more support and quality internal resources.

    It's a doubled edge sword for sure. It would be nice if some DIY device or whatever was plug n play and worked etc..(there probably are some that do) but the more advanced software gets, the more end users, the more technology advances, you become entangled with supporting a ton more products AND ad infinitum more use cases. Dunno, on the surface I could see what a nightmare this potentially could be from a resource stand point. However that's part of the deal as well - gotta design a robust product to work in many varied scenarios (image the gazillion different network setups everyone has), which I think the product already does for the most part.

    At a minimum it may help weed out the bogus "troll type" of support issues they have to allocate resources to. That may lead to a better overall product and be more in-line with their original vision as a HiFi audio and not "why the hell cant I use voice activation in all my zones on my bose radio"
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    As a former user of Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox/Transporter/Duet units), I see Roon as the grown up version of LMS. The data management capabilities of Roon, its GUI, and its easy of use in general far surpass what LMS was capable of at the time it was still being supported by Logitech. LMS has a big thing going for it: it is free. But it also demands that the user be more of a “techie”. Btw, Roon used to support all Logitech streaming devices, that is why I decided to try Roon in the first place and immediately decided to go for the Lifetime Roon membership. That is the best $500 I have spent in audio in over a decade.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    So what software has better sound than Roon? Can you get more than two audiophiles in an elevator to agree with your choice? In what way(s) does your software choice sound better than Roon?
    Mark, the Roon software requires some robust computing power. This computing power creates noise. That’s why sonically, others may prefer other options.

    I support Roon in enforcing their rules around certification. I’m glad they did it because we’ve seen devices show up, but not fully work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Mark, the Roon software requires some robust computing power. This computing power creates noise. That’s why sonically, others may prefer other options.

    I support Roon in enforcing their rules around certification. I’m glad they did it because we’ve seen devices show up, but not fully work.


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    Mike-I have yet to hear any digital noise in my system. The only “digital” noise I have ever heard in any of my systems was from the computer fan in the laptop. Room runs on Linux when you use the Nucleus+. The MB in the Nucleus+ doesn’t have a built in audio or video card unlike regular computer MBs. Running Roon on a regular computer running Windows would seem to be way more of a resource hog than running Roon on the Nucleus+.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Mike-I have yet to hear any digital noise in my system. The only “digital” noise I have ever heard in any of my systems was from the computer fan in the laptop. Room runs on Linux when you use the Nucleus+. The MB in the Nucleus+ doesn’t have a built in audio or video card unlike regular computer MBs. Running Roon on a regular computer running Windows would seem to be way more of a resource hog than running Roon on the Nucleus+.
    You will hear that noise after it gets removed. You wil hear how much better your CA system will sound with a lower noise source.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Projectman View Post
    I think I said it! I have had two devices that were advertised as Roon Ready. The two I have experience with were the NAD M10 and the Bricasti M3 DAC with Ethernet Streaming. Both were shown in Roon as Roon Ready - Uncertified. Both were advertised as being Roon Ready (since removed from the NAD and Bricasti's websites).

    .
    The problem is that both Bricasti and NAD were FALSELY advertising they were Roon Ready. That's exactly what Roon is trying to prevent with this move. It was up to you to verify whether they were indeed Roon Ready, by going to Roon Partners list and checking for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Mark, the Roon software requires some robust computing power. This computing power creates noise. That’s why sonically, others may prefer other options.

    I support Roon in enforcing their rules around certification. I’m glad they did it because we’ve seen devices show up, but not fully work.
    In my view, as a software engineer and running considerable test matrix I find that Roon is fairly light weight in a comparative sense. HQPlayer, now this is software that is very demanding on processing power and yet it sounds better than anything out there! Room as the controller and meta data provider handing off to HQPlayer, as the playback engine, now there is the the best of both worlds in my view. Yet a solid quality computer with serious processing power has no issues running it... no glitches, no noise, no performance degradation...
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    You will hear that noise after it gets removed. You wil hear how much better your CA system will sound with a lower noise source.
    You don't know what noise is until you don't hear it.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    So what software has better sound than Roon? Can you get more than two audiophiles in an elevator to agree with your choice? In what way(s) does your software choice sound better than Roon?
    I can only speak of my own experience although there is a wealth of information and listening experiences documented on audiophilestyle.com.

    I am running a system which can either boot into Windows Server 2019 with audiophile optimizer or Euphony. In WS 2019 I run Roon and in Euphony I can run Roon or Stylus. I much prefer the sound of Stylus than Roon in either OS. I love the Roon interface but I rarely use it anymore.

    In addition, Emile, the owner of Taiko Audio and the creator of the Extreme Server, is designing his own music software due to the decrease in sound quality coming from Roon.

    The issue with Roon is that even when you are just playing music there is a ton of network activity. That activity impairs the sound quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    The problem is that both Bricasti and NAD were FALSELY advertising they were Roon Ready. That's exactly what Roon is trying to prevent with this move. It was up to you to verify whether they were indeed Roon Ready, by going to Roon Partners list and checking for yourself.
    The only thing I disagree with is that the customer should have to go to Roon to verify. If a manufacture advertises that they are Roon Ready you should be able to trust them at their word (or their advertising). If they were using Roon logos on their website than they were using them illegally and this I know first hand.

    I assisted a friend getting his Roon Ready for his Music Server's. After you become Roon Ready they sent you their logos that you were allowed to use on your website, such as Roon Core indicating that the music server was certified as a Roon Core server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    In my view, as a software engineer and running considerable test matrix I find that Roon is fairly light weight in a comparative sense. HQPlayer, now this is software that is very demanding on processing power and yet it sounds better than anything out there! Room as the controller and meta data provider handing off to HQPlayer, as the playback engine, now there is the the best of both worlds in my view. Yet a solid quality computer with serious processing power has no issues running it... no glitches, no noise, no performance degradation...
    Roon is not lightweight when it comes to network activity which is a real sound killer.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Roon is not lightweight when it comes to network activity which is a real sound killer.
    two words: fiber ethernet ...whatever happens on the network stays on the network
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    You will hear that noise after it gets removed. You wil hear how much better your CA system will sound with a lower noise source.
    So we’re back to inaudible noise being made more inaudible. So the lower noise source is dumping Roon?
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Roon is not lightweight when it comes to network activity which is a real sound killer.
    This very much depends on where you store your library and digital files. If you store everything on a NAS, then yes, probably true. If you mainly stream then yes very much true and honestly, noise and sound quality would be least affected by your playback software then other streaming factors.

    If you store and play your files back from internal storage and especially from M.2 drives and SSDs then network activity is fairly much non-existent.
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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Add Bel Canto to the list that includes NAD and Bricasti for incorrectly advertising products as being Roon certified when they are not.

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    Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by crwilli View Post
    I have heard second hand, that ROON keeps the product sent to them for certification. If true, that seems over the top.
    This is not unusual. I think all of the (diligent) companies I've worked with do this. I've never heard of a unit needing to be sent back—there's no real benefit to doing that unless it is a secret/special development kit that needs to be destroyed or especially protected.

    When the service/application provider wants to push out an update, it helps to have a library of existing devices to test new builds against, and also makes it convenient for a manufacturer to push beta firmware to the provider to test fixes / re-run certification.
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