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September 10, 2020, 03:39 PM #51
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September 10, 2020, 03:56 PM #52
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The biggest loser in the battle between Roon and equipment manufacturers is the consumer.
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September 10, 2020, 04:02 PM #53
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September 10, 2020, 04:12 PM #54
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I guess it depends on what you consider large libraries .... I have a hard enough time deciding what to play as it is ....
I have 3 TB in storage.... and about 1000 albums... many/most are DSD... many higher resolution DSD, 2x, 4x, even 10 that are DSD512.... 10-19 GB in size each.... I could easily go up to several TBs storage using nothing but M.2 and SSDs.... I could replace my internal drives (2x M.2 and 2x SSDs) with 40 TBs if I want... how much storage do you need ....
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September 10, 2020, 04:21 PM #55
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September 10, 2020, 04:26 PM #56
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My library is 10 TB. It would cost a lot of money to buy quality storage to hold that internally in a PCI slot.
For me, this is a moot point since Euphony/Stylus buffers the queue to ram before playing it so there is just about no network activity just playback. Thus, I can store my library on a NAS with no negative effects.Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 XTRM, 4 M&K ST-150Ts, 1 VCC-5; Amplification: 2 Vandersteen M7-HPAs, CI Audio D200 MKII, Ayre V-6xe; Preamp: Doshi Audio Line Stage v3.0; Phono Pre: Doshi Audio Phono Pre; Analog: Wave Kinetics NVS with Durand Tosca arm; SME 3012R arm, Ortofon Diamond Anna; Reel to Reel: Technics RS-1500; Doshi Tape Pre-Amp; Studer A810, Studer A812, Tascam BR-20; Multi-channel: Bryston SP-3; Digital: Taiko Audio Extreme> Lampizator Horizon, Oppo UDP-203;
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September 10, 2020, 05:17 PM #57
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I too have NAS and I use Roon. The only issue that I once had was due to user error (me) with a batch of CDs that I did not rip properly.
I have absolutely no noise issues when playing ripped discs or downloaded music stored in a NAS using Roon.
That said, I decided to bypass the NAS altogether and stream my music from music services.
Now I can listen to hundreds of terabytes of music without even buying a NAS. And I hear no noise when streaming either.
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September 10, 2020, 06:53 PM #58
Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
Reports are already coming in that devices that are certified are now showing up as uncertified.
This should be interesting.
September 21st is the deadline before the Roon folks pull the plug.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 10, 2020, 07:08 PM #59
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September 10, 2020, 07:21 PM #60
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Roon came up with the fix:
A fix for Uncertified Roon Ready devices - Roon Software - Roon Labs CommunityAdam
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September 10, 2020, 09:52 PM #61
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September 10, 2020, 10:35 PM #62
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It would make sense for Roon to keep the device for testing of their s/w for future releases, otherwise its impossible to quality control but I am not sure if I would technically call the certification as "free".
The recent Build 610 update, in my system, sounds better but only after I moved the library to local storage instead of NAS. One of the serious drawback of Roon that degrades the sound quality tremendously is its constant accesses to the storage device. With NAS, it creates a churn of network events that is detrimental and this has been proven time over time and also with my move to local storage. There has been several request from many of us to cache/buffer it locally but as usual it has gone into def ears.
From purely bit perfect playback s/w perspective, Roon is heavy weight due to its complexities in handling sophisticated UI management, AI, tracking, etc which are necessary evil for audio and thus needs power hungry CPUs. However, if you are DIY'ing there are ways to tame this beast somewhat partially, like processor isolation, etc.
IMO, Roon should consider an Audiophile version of the s/w with simple UI & less jazzy features, if they genuinely wants to hold onto the audiophile market (which I agree is dimunitive) as many companies (Taiko, PS Audio, etc) has started to realize sound quality issues with Roon and started to develop their own version.
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September 10, 2020, 10:53 PM #63
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As I read it this compromise Roon position is a good one. It allows current owners of uncertified Roon hardware to continue to use it. I’m not clear if as a developer you can use any uncertified hardware, or just the hardware you happen to own on September 21st. It will also be interesting to understand what happens when a Roon “developer” sells an uncertified piece of hardware. Will another Roon “developer” be able to use it before the manufacturer certifies it? For sure normal Roon customers won’t be able to use it so it’s value will drop on the secondary market if the manufacturer chooses not to certify it.
Roon screwed the pooch early on by allowing manufacturers to actively market product without completing the certification process. That’s either naive or stupid or some combination of the two.
The best approach in this case is to engage a third party certification agency to test the manufacturer’s gear and manage the compliance and licensing process.Tom
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September 10, 2020, 11:09 PM #64
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September 11, 2020, 12:03 AM #65
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Anthony
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September 11, 2020, 12:23 AM #66
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September 11, 2020, 01:03 AM #67
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Local storage means storage that is locally connected to the Roon core. It could be internal driver (NVMe, SSD, spinning drives, SAS, etc) or external USB connected drives.
In my case, I have a DIY music server with DIY linear power supply w/ JCAT USB XE card connected directly to the DAC. No endpoint or streamer and I have gone through many of them only to find they sound less optimal with Roon if the server (running Roon core) is built and tuned carefully. The server runs Euphony. After a lot of experiments with different drives, I have settled for M.2 NVMe drives. My music is about 4Tb, so it isn't too bad.
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September 11, 2020, 02:42 AM #68
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Do they charge for certification? If not they will soon
Policy changes lately seem to have been financially driven, I’d be worried for their long term future, another reason I won’t recommit to Roon.
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September 11, 2020, 04:02 AM #69
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September 11, 2020, 04:05 AM #70
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IMO you can only use hardware you happen to own on September 21st. It will be binded to your Roon account, so you will be able to upgrade your server or reinstall the software, but the next person that buys the unit from you will not be able to enable it anymore (unless the manufacturer gets it certified that is).
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September 11, 2020, 06:29 AM #71
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Thanks Adam - that’s how I read it but was unsure as I do not have Roon currently.
Certification is not free. There is a huge cost associated with it. Especially if devices need to be re-tested after certain SW updates. The fact that Roon is absorbing this cost is not at all compatible with their lifetime SW license model. I hope they can transition to something more sustainable and wish them the best. Based on what I’m Reading here I have more homework to do as I update my current NAS-based digital playback chain.Tom
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September 11, 2020, 11:13 AM #72
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September 11, 2020, 12:02 PM #73
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Roon has made it very clear that they prefer the yearly subscription model rather than the lifetime model. Lifetime was initially offered as a way of gaining initial funds required with an upstart company. They will probably eventually no longer offer the lifetime license. Us who purchased it during their early phases were lucky in that we got it at a reduces price!
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September 11, 2020, 12:20 PM #74
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Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
Look here Stephan
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September 11, 2020, 08:04 PM #77
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Thanks, Jack. I've spent the better part of day researching Euphony. And, I still have a number of questions, but no definitive answers. Sometimes I think I should use my professional experience to consult for companies and to help them provide information for potential customers (like me) with clear, unambiguous and definitive answers as 1) WHAT the product does 2) HOW it does it 3) WHY it works the way it does, and then, for the customer...what is the value proposition?
What I'm potentially interested in is:
1) Can I install Euphony on my Mac Mini? I don't know for sure, but the answer appears to be YES. But, I want to use it in conjunction with Roon with Roon functioning as a Server.
2) If install Euphony on Mac Mini, how do I boot up the computer? A: I don't know.
3) Do I uninstall the Roon Core I already have installed on the Mac OS partition and and re-install it on a Euphony partition? A: I don't know.
4) How do I specifically use Euphony with Roon as a server and send the music to an endpoint renderer? A: I don't know.
These are basic questions that I should be able to find answers for, but so far, have not.
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September 11, 2020, 08:16 PM #78
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I did not get the Bricasti M12 until it was listed as Roon Ready, on the Roon website. It is listed with a Roon logo.
On the Roon site it is listed as Roon Ready, and they have one, in house, for testing. I’m not sure how different the streamer modules are among the Bricasti lines. I recently upgraded the input board, which seems to involved a firmware upgrade. No hitches at all.Amplification : Modwright LS300 - Atma-Sphere "Class D" monoblocks
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September 11, 2020, 08:48 PM #79
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Stephan
There are a couple of the guys on the AS forum that are heavy Euphony users and they can probably answer the questions you have. Other than that I would probably talk to Arthur at Power Holdings as he is the importer and seems to know a lot about it from what I was told by a user. From looking at the Euphony hardware they look like attractive alternatives to the Nucleus and the SGC units.
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Puma,
It's a high power server employing Xeon CPU. It runs Euphony OS and Roon core runs directly on it. In Euphony you can select which audio player you want and there are several to choose from - Roon server, Stylus, etc. I listen to Stylus most of the time for critical listening but with more and more tweaks I am finding Roon to be close match as well. The server is connected directly to the USB DAC.
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Yes and you can run Roon core.
For Mac, its better to install bootcamp and go from there. But you can first try to boot off the USB. Press and hold the Option (Alt) key immediately after turning on or restarting your Mac and select the USB drive.
Euphony is a complete OS made out of ArchLinux. You would install Euphony directly on a Boot device, like you would do with OSX.
In Euphony you can select which audio player you want. When you select Roon, you go into Roon's setting to configure your endpoint.
I hope that helps.
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yeah, with Mac Mini, I would keep it away. In order to use Roon, you would need a Roon certified or Roon Bridge enabled streamer. In my experiments all these years, all possible upstream enhancements are easily heard downstream as well. So with a server/streamer solution I wouldn't neglect on network/connectivity part to get to the best sound quality.
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September 12, 2020, 01:53 PM #88
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Thanks, Dev.
I'm using a SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo as my Roon endpoint. It shows up in Roon as the endpoint device and is labeled "Roon Ready" in the Audio settings panel in Roon.
And yes, I agree with your comment about upstream enhancements being heard downstream as well. This is why I am using a Sonore OpticalModule (OM) powered by an UpTone Audio LPS-1.0 to stream my data from the Mac Mini via Shunyata Sigma Ethernet cables to the OM downstream via OM-1 optical fiber to an Uptone Audio EtherREGEN Ethernet switch (also powered by an UpTone Audio LPS-1.2) and connecting to my SOtM with a Shunyata Omega Ethernet cable. Specifically, I'm not getting any low- or high-source impedance leakage current from components upstream to add noise to the ground plane and cause increased threshold jitter (and concomitant timing errors), and the Crystek CCHD-575 oscillator (clocks) in the OpticalModule and EtherREGEN are cleaning up any jitter and phase noise from the upstream components. So, about as clean a streaming connection as one can presently obtain for this configuration. Finally, my SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo is powered by a Keces P3 linear power supply, and....the power supplies for the Uptone LPS-1.2 and Keces are powered by Shunyata Venom V14D Digital power cables plugged into a Shunyata Everest power distributor. So...pretty clean power all 'round.
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Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
What is he frustrated about, if I might ask? Is he not able to get his product certified due to a holdup caused by Roon? Did he agree to have it certified within a certain time period of advertising and selling it as Roon Ready? Not sure what to make of this without knowing the details of the agreement between Roon and the manufacturers.
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September 13, 2020, 04:24 PM #91
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Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
1. Saw some comments on this thread about ROON being a very noisy user of computer resources. On my Windows 10 machine this sometimes is correct with regard to CPU/GPU. It happens when the ROON client screen is visible (or maximized) and needs to use the video driver. Sometimes automatic Windows OS updates resets the video driver to a Windows default instead of the specified third party (in my case). A bit of a PIA to reinstall the driver (5 minutes). Just an FYI for you Windows ROON users who see the CPU usage higher than expected.
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With my Sonore microRendu my computer noise stays mainly in the computer. Though I will soon upgrade to a opticalRendu and maybe even an EtherRegen.
2. One thing I heard about Briscati (I think in an interview) is that they outsource their software work. This could be one reason that their ROON-READY certification is pear shaped.
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September 14, 2020, 08:39 AM #93
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The absolute best way to run Roon, or honestly most any server side software, is to run Roon Core only off the server machine which does not run any GUI what so ever. The controller machine, tablet or whatever you use runs the GUI. In my case the controller is a Microsoft Surface but I have also used an Android. This way the Roon server runs no graphic front end at all and is extremely light weight on the server. I do not want my music server to be running a graphic interface even though the chances are it would not have much of a resource cost, it would still have some and the graphics would probably cost more in CPU cycles, memory usage, etc., then Roon Core itself.
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September 14, 2020, 08:39 AM #94
Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
Some how the post got duplicated.
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September 14, 2020, 12:09 PM #95
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September 14, 2020, 12:14 PM #96
Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
If you're using a switch-mode power supply (SMPS) anywhere in your network chain from the router, music server/Roon Core, NAS, etc., down to the Sonore microRendu using unshielded (UTP) or shielded Ethernet cables, your system is quite likely passing low-source and high-source leakage impedance current down to the microRendu and through it to the clocks and flip-flops in your DAC chip. This results in increased noise on the ground plane for the flip-flops and PHY's and increased threshold jitter and concomitantly, timing errors, which are audible.
An easy fix for this is to use linear power supplies for those devices using SMPS; even the inexpensive Reliapro ones from Jameco Electronics which cost about 11 bucks will work to eliminate these leakage currents. A run of fiber in-between will do the same thing, though it will not eliminate clock phase noise from the el cheapo clocks in the upstream devices.
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September 14, 2020, 06:19 PM #97
Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
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September 14, 2020, 07:45 PM #98
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Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
I have to agree with your sentiments on running ROON on a server without a GUI. I have a few servers in my garage for my home office. They are connected by house copper via a Powerline. I was reluctant to use one of those servers due to the inconvenience of waking up the server, the heat of the garage, and the Powerline connectivity. I should test it out though when the weather gets cooler.
The servers I have cost about $1000 and have 12 cores with 96GB of RAM. Insane power for the price.
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September 14, 2020, 08:32 PM #99
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Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
I am using a tablet to control Roon Core. However, I know that Roon does not tax my PC much at all. Let’s say that using Roon’s GUI does increase CPU needs, still we are not talking gaming software here. Quite frankly, I think that this GUI noise concern is overblown.
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September 14, 2020, 11:14 PM #100
Re: Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy
While the work being executed on a CPU or GPU does influence the EMI given off (see side-channel attacks), I personally don't have any concerns with that introducing any noise of consequence into data sent over the network. And only negligible concerns with it introducing noise into an electrical connection like USB or coaxial S/PDIF.
However the Roon UI seems to sometimes get stuck doing something it shouldn't be, maybe due to a bug, resulting in eating up a full CPU core. At other times it is fine. Otherwise I would leave it open all the time.Neko Audio
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