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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post






    Iíve ordered this configuration for demo.


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    Looks like an R2R DAC to me, or at least, the functional equivalent of one.

    All the Esoteric disc players I've were sound just fabulous; very musical and engaging.

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    Iíve ordered this configuration for demo.


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    Absolutely gorgeous.

    Looks like an R2R DAC to me, or at least, the functional equivalent of one.

    All the Esoteric disc players I've heard sounded just fabulous; very musical and engaging. Maybe someday...

    From what I've heard those Cybershaft clocks are amazing, too.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post

    Iíve ordered this configuration for demo.


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    I already own the clock... just missing the player...

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Is there a savvy Electrical Engineer on this forum that can read the Esoteric literature and examine the photos, and give us a lucid explanation of what the Master Sound Discrete DAC is exactly? We need to leverage some of the talent around here.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    The fundamental difference is it's built around a re-programmable FPGA microchip that can be recoded via software updates to fix bugs, improve performance and provide new features. The AKM chips used previously were hardwired internally and could not be updated.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    The fundamental difference is it's built around a re-programmable FPGA microchip that can be recoded via software updates to fix bugs, improve performance and provide new features. The AKM chips used previously were hardwired internally and could not be updated.
    Is there a DAC ladder with the Master Sound Discrete DAC?

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    The D1X block diagram shows 4 x 8 element discrete DAC's. You can see the resistors in the marketing photo.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    So, if Iím following correctly, customized digital processing is completed by a re-programmable FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array) microchip modulator. The digital signal then moves to the Discrete Ladder DACs, where it is converted to an analog waveform and voltage gain is achieved.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    So if Iím following correctly, customized digital processing is completed at a re-programmable FPGA microchip modulator. The digital signal then moves to the Discrete Ladder DACs, where it is converted to an analog waveform and voltage gain is achieved.
    if i am understanding correctly, this is the same topology used in the aqua DACs...

    The signals sent to the resistor ladders are generated by a proprietary digital circuit, implemented inside an FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array).
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Iím really enjoying my K01-XD along with Cybershaft Clock , very nice combo

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by fathead View Post
    Iím really enjoying my K01-XD along with Cybershaft Clock , very nice combo
    Please tell us more. What stands out? Where are you coming from?

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    ...I'm eager to hear the Esoteric and will see if it can unseat the Discrete. That's number 1 right now. I don't want to second guess my choice if I have the chance to try other new gear.
    i see in another thread that we have a winner!!

    it would be great to hear how these two compared from your perspective ...and, what it was that pushed the esoteric over the line?
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    i see in another thread that we have a winner!!

    it would be great to hear how these two compared from your perspective ...and, what it was that pushed the esoteric over the line?
    Iím not sure how to describe it but right off the bat, the K-01xd just sounded better, more musical and a little more relaxed. Granted the esoteric is more money. I absolutely enjoyed the Discrete but something was holding me back from placing the order. Thank goodness. Once the esoteric warmed up a little it absolutely got better and now, WOW! I love it. Itís already at the top of my budget but Iíll be able to use it for a few more months before my brother takes it off my hands.

    I NEVER liked pre XD esoteric gear but this is a whole new sound. Old esoteric was dry, a little sterile and generally boring to my ears. Iím not a golden ear but damn, it fell right into place with the new K-01xd. I love it. No way I can even think about the top two MSB dacs so I either get the K-01xd or N-01xd network version and maybe eventually try the clock. Iíll be ecstatic.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    There is VERY limited supply of BLACK K-01XD and K-03XD. Like 2 left.




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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Beautiful!

    If I only had the free cash ....
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Mike, does Esoteric charge a premium for the black?

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Mike, does Esoteric charge a premium for the black?
    No!! But let me know ASAP if you want one. They are going Fasssst!


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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    ...I NEVER liked pre XD esoteric gear but this is a whole new sound. Old esoteric was dry, a little sterile and generally boring to my ears. Iím not a golden ear but damn, it fell right into place with the new K-01xd. I love it. No way I can even think about the top two MSB dacs so I either get the K-01xd or N-01xd network version and maybe eventually try the clock. Iíll be ecstatic.
    i would assume that the sound difference between the XD and pre-XD models has to do with the new "master sound discrete DAC" in the XD ...and, given that the XD DAC is an R2R converter, i wonder if this moves the esoteric XD DACs into the realm of analog sounding DACs like those from MSB?
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    i would assume that the sound difference between the XD and pre-XD models has to do with the new "master sound discrete DAC" in the XD ...and, given that the XD DAC is an R2R converter, i wonder if this moves the esoteric XD DACs into the realm of analog sounding DACs like those from MSB?
    Whatever they are doing, itís definitely working out great.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    No idea why esoteric doesnít offer black on a permanent basis. They obviously can manufacture a gorgeous looking all black player without charging extra. I sold my K01X 4 years ago and one factor was that it stuck out like a sore thumb in my all black component system. I too felt it was a little boring sounding as Joe eloquently stated. The XD sounds like a winner.


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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by j3brow View Post
    I sold my K01X 4 years ago and one factor was that it stuck out like a sore thumb in my all black component system.
    well said.
    it would be nice to have the choice.

    also i would really like the frontplate to be sandpolished just as the round corners and the topplate seem to be.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    the XD DAC is an R2R converter
    Delta Sigma - as stated in Esoteric web site.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    ahhh -- yes, i see it is delta sigma...

    "The N-01XD includes ESOTERICís exclusive Delta-Sigma (ΔΣ) modulator supporting 64-bit/512Fs audio frequency sampling. To perform D/A conversion on par with its excellent DSD and PCM characteristics, separate FPGA* digital processing algorithms were developed for each conversion process."

    thanks for correcting -- pictures of DAC module had lead me far astray here.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by j3brow View Post
    No idea why esoteric doesnít offer black on a permanent basis. They obviously can manufacture a gorgeous looking all black player without charging extra. I sold my K01X 4 years ago and one factor was that it stuck out like a sore thumb in my all black component system. I too felt it was a little boring sounding as Joe eloquently stated. The XD sounds like a winner.


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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by SCAudiophile View Post
    Does anyone know if the only difference is the color? Were there any performance changes for the "limited edition" version?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Does anyone know if the only difference is the color? Were there any performance changes for the "limited edition" version?

    Thanks!
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