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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Candy keeps coming! Good looking pieces. Look forward to listening to their top streamer/DAC.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    ...Look forward to listening to their top streamer/DAC.
    That is a good point. I have been contemplating changing from N-01 to N-03T + D1X, but the N-01XD might cause me to rethink that.
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    Esoteric XD Series

    Ok, 6 discs in now. Color me VERY impressed. “Natural” is the word for this new XD series. Gone is the bite, digital sound of old Esoteric. It doesn’t have the “analogness” (if that’s a word) of Luxman, but what it has is dynamics, punch, detail, separation, bass is tight as hell, amazing vocals and an amazing “naturalness” that has zero fatigue. It’s kind of strange, but it truly resembles “live”. PRAT.

    It’s so incredibly “composed”. I am throwing some complex music at it and it’s handling everything with ease and control.

    I do have the filters set to 4FS. Have not played too much with the other filters.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    ...and it's only the middle sibling K-03XD, there is still big brother K-01XD and grand daddy K1X, and the king combo D1X/P1X above that!
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    ...and it's only the middle sibling K-03XD, there is still big brother K-01XD and grand daddy K1X, and the king combo D1X/P1X above that!
    But at $14K this is a “sweet spot” for those wanting a world class spinner. I would have gone for the K-01XD, but worried that cracking that $20K barrier (it’s $22K) would be too much for some. The $14K is more achievable and still delivers this incredible level of performance.

    When T+A spinners were under $20k, we sold them like crazy. When they had their big price increase (April 2018) and went way over $20K, it made things much more challenging.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I do have the filters set to 4FS. Have not played too much with the other filters.
    Have you tried setting it to DSD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Have you tried setting it to DSD?
    I have. Yes.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Ok, 6 discs in now. Color me VERY impressed. “Natural” is the word for this new XD series. Gone is the bite, digital sound of old Esoteric. It doesn’t have the “analogness” (if that’s a word) of Luxman, but what it has is dynamics, punch, detail, separation, bass is tight as hell, amazing vocals and an amazing “naturalness” that has zero fatigue. It’s kind of strange, but it truly resembles “live”. PRAT.

    It’s so incredibly “composed”. I am throwing some complex music at it and it’s handling everything with ease and control.



    I do have the filters set to 4FS. Have not played too much with the other filters.
    Mike, please comment on the sound stage - width, depth, layering. (Although I recognize that with your MBL home system (?), this aspect may not be representative of what a typical user might experience?)

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Mike, please comment on the sound stage - width, depth, layering. (Although I recognize that with your MBL home system (?), this aspect may not be representative of what a typical user might experience?)
    After warm up, I noticed soundstage wide to be one of the strong points. As good as anything I’ve tried. As the evening went on, soundstage depth, especially during a couple of live recordings, was superb. Definitely great layering as well. I am completely blown away by this new Esoteric sound. In a word: “live”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Ok, 6 discs in now. Color me VERY impressed. “Natural” is the word for this new XD series. Gone is the bite, digital sound of old Esoteric. It doesn’t have the “analogness” (if that’s a word) of Luxman, but what it has is dynamics, punch, detail, separation, bass is tight as hell, amazing vocals and an amazing “naturalness” that has zero fatigue. It’s kind of strange, but it truly resembles “live”. PRAT.

    It’s so incredibly “composed”. I am throwing some complex music at it and it’s handling everything with ease and control.

    I do have the filters set to 4FS. Have not played too much with the other filters.
    What do you consider "old Esoteric"? Are you comparing K-03-XD to K-03 or K-03X?

    What are the optional filters and on the XD? I have two K-03-X and '4FS' is not an option. What are the upsampling options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    After warm up, I noticed soundstage wide to be one of the strong points. As good as anything I’ve tried. As the evening went on, soundstage depth, especially during a couple of live recordings, was superb. Definitely great layering as well. I am completely blown away by this new Esoteric sound. In a word: “live”.
    Any comparisons to EMM sound signature? I'd figure they would have more in common with other.

    Rather than MSB as an example.

    The N01XD streamer might be a winner for me in the future.

    Looking forward to reading more about it.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by aardvarkbark View Post
    What do you consider "old Esoteric"? Are you comparing K-03-XD to K-03 or K-03X?

    What are the optional filters and on the XD? I have two K-03-X and '4FS' is not an option. What are the upsampling options?
    You can download the K-03XD user manual from the Esoteric website. Basically the 4Fs setting is 4x upsampling (goes up to 16x). There are no optional filters as with the K-03X (and earlier) players.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    I’ve always really enjoyed the sound of the Esoteric Players and Streamers. In my opinion, the Master Clock is not really necessary. It can change the sonic signature. Hard to beat the K-01XD and K-03XD at their respective price points.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    I wonder how a complete Grandioso Series (SACD, DAC, Pre-Amp, Amps) would sound compared to the MSB Select II?
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    I wonder how a complete Grandioso Series (SACD, DAC, Pre-Amp, Amps) would sound compared to the MSB Select II?
    I owned the Esoteric Grandioso K1 CD/SACD Player and Grandioso G1 Master Clock (not the Grandioso preamp or amps), and in my opinion, the MSB Select II DAC is sonically superior. But I think we’ve covered this ground before.

    The preamp was ARC REF10 and the amps were Vandersteen M7-HPA monoblocks.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I owned the Esoteric Grandioso K1 CD/SACD Player and Grandioso G1 Master Clock (not the Grandioso preamp or amps), and in my opinion, the MSB Select II DAC is sonically superior. But I think we’ve covered this ground before.

    Ken
    Sorry, what I was getting at was has the Grandioso been updated with the "new Esoteric" sound, or is it still the "old" sound? If updated how does it compare ...
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    I wonder how a complete Grandioso Series (SACD, DAC, Pre-Amp, Amps) would sound compared to the MSB Select II?
    In my opinion the MSB Select II would be an easy choice in this comparison. Sound / performance wise and also in terms of hardware and software obsolescence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Sorry, what I was getting at was has the Grandioso been updated with the "new Esoteric" sound, or is it still the "old" sound? If updated how does it compare ...
    Hi Calvin,

    The Esoteric sound changes every year with the new models. Mike is saying a nice improvement with the XD so maybe they’ve closed the gap some. But the Select II DAC got better too with the introduction of their Pro USB Module.

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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Esoteric went from an approx 4-year product cycle to 2 years with the S series, but with their new in-house FPGA DAC technology
    1- they have the potential to upgrade their DACs via software (if they so choose), and
    2- they are now divorced from the AKM DAC chip product cycles,
    so maybe their future product cycles will lengthen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aardvarkbark View Post
    What do you consider "old Esoteric"? Are you comparing K-03-XD to K-03 or K-03X?

    What are the optional filters and on the XD? I have two K-03-X and '4FS' is not an option. What are the upsampling options?
    I had the K-01x, and older K-05 and a Grandioso K1.

    I always felt the older esoteric had “bite” and was over sibilant, and very detailed.

    I was then at one of the shows last year and walked into the Esoteric room. I could tell right away this was a different, very different. I believe you can find my comments about sitting and listening in this room.

    This new XD has such incredible dynamics, bunch and bass control, while none of the previous bite/sibilance. Highly impressed!


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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Esoteric went from an approx 4-year product cycle to 2 years with the S series, but with their new in-house FPGA DAC technology
    1- they have the potential to upgrade their DACs via software (if they so choose), and
    2- they are now divorced from the AKM DAC chip product cycles,
    so maybe their future product cycles will lengthen.
    They would do themselves proud if they were to confirm they intend to offer an upgrade path, even if only firmware. Their history suggests they will find a way to make any upgrades come with a new model number. Without confirmation I will remain skeptical.
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    The K-03XD already had a firmware upgrade FWIW, adding MQA functionality. The process is here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The K-03XD already had a firmware upgrade FWIW, adding MQA functionality. The process is here:

    K-03XD | DOWNLOADS | ESOTERIC:Japan high-end audio manufacturer | エソテリック
    Thats great Mike. Hmmm.
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    Re: Esoteric XD Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Sorry, what I was getting at was has the Grandioso been updated with the "new Esoteric" sound, or is it still the "old" sound? If updated how does it compare ...
    The Esoteric Grandioso K1 was superseded by the K1X in 2019. This model was the first Esoteric player with the new Atlas transport and FPGA DAC technologies now found in the K-01XD and K-03XD.

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    I’ve had it playing non-stop. I’ve been listening again tonight and currently spinning The Essential Sade. A fantastic reissue and considerably better than the original Sade digital releases.

    I’m noticing tonight how composed it is with musical complexities. Nothing gets lost in translation or “smudged”.

    I’ll let it break in a few more days and then play with the filters a bit more.


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