Thread: Esoteric N-01XD
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December 9, 2020, 12:58 AM #151
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December 9, 2020, 01:00 AM #152
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Oh, so the Lumin app and Esoteric are identical? the person I quoted says the Lumin one is updated more often. They both don't seem as fully featured as Roon. I love Roon and bought a lifetime subscription, so I am really hoping they certify soon AND there is no loss in sound quality. Roon has been very good sounding for me so far...
--Marc
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December 9, 2020, 01:02 AM #153
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December 9, 2020, 01:03 AM #154
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Works for me with the Teac NT-505 (same company) and always has flawlessly. You gain the advantage of the latest applicable upgrades. I don't think either the Teac or Esoteric app has been updated in some time. Any of the three apps will work so take your pick.
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December 9, 2020, 01:06 AM #155
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Got it. I have a very nice network bridge (SotM SMS-200 ultra neo special edition with the associated linear power supply) and I really like it. Ideally, I'll be able to sell it after the N-01XD is Roon certified, but before I do, I plan to do some SQ comparisons between the Esoteric/Lumin app via Ethernet and Roon via SoTm/USB and see how things shake out.
Either way, I am sure things will sound fantastic! Can't wait.--Marc
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December 9, 2020, 07:43 AM #156
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It is not Roon Ready certified. It is in process to be certified, but not there yet. If you ordered it after 9/21/20, you are out of luck, you have to wait until Roon certifies it. If you ordered it before that date, you will need to prove it to Roon, and they give you a “developer” status to use it with Roon.
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December 21, 2020, 09:18 PM #157
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December 21, 2020, 09:35 PM #158
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wow! very cool, you will love it with your 300p!! your decision makes so much sense as things will fit together. did you order the psu as well?
i can tell you, i regret to have sold mine. still havent ordered the n-01xd btw. i want to puzzle everything else together and then choose the streamer-dac with the best synergy with it.
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December 22, 2020, 12:12 AM #159
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Yes, I ordered the whole shebang: Classic PSU, VFS, DAC. It should arrive this week. I can't wait, the biggest audio purchase I have ever made, 4X my last biggest purchase
I am waiting for your N-01XD to come, so I could hear your opinion on it.
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December 22, 2020, 01:00 AM #160
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very very cool. painful price, on the other hand you get one of the most satisfaying music systems available.
my dealer who has access to basicly anything choosed this one for himself. loved it myself every time, utterly beautiful.
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December 22, 2020, 01:22 AM #161
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December 22, 2020, 11:05 AM #162
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N-01XD owners be aware there is a new firmware recently available to upgrade.
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December 22, 2020, 02:50 PM #163
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December 22, 2020, 07:34 PM #164
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From their webpage:
We are pleased to announce that the N-01XD I/F Firmware V1.20 is now available.
Please see download page.
Supports new volume control specifications
Add setting for Network display mode and Version display
Improve some performances and minor bug fix
Since Lumin did much of the software for this unit, wonder if the referenced volume control implementation is Leedh?
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December 22, 2020, 07:55 PM #165
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I believe Lumin is only involved with the network bridge with Esoteric. Maybe Peter Lie can confirm that. Tagging @wklie
As far as the Roon Ready is concerned, this will come with a network firmware upgrade. Not the current I/F upgrade (Heck I don’t even know what “I/F” means in English).
The “NET firmware “ I attached herePerlisten S7t speakers with two Perlisten R212s subwoofers | T+A PA 3100 HV integrated amp with PS 3000 HV power supply | Esoteric N-01XD DAC & Streamer| Esoteric G-05 Master Clock | Jay’s Audio CDT3-MK3 Transport | Innuos ZENith MK3| Shunyata Everest
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December 22, 2020, 07:57 PM #166
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December 28, 2020, 07:54 PM #167
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I/F means interface.
Cheers,
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December 30, 2020, 05:09 PM #168
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Ok, but that is still vague. It's not the network or usb interface, so what is it?
Anyway, I mentioned earlier that the manual says we can update the network interface through the app. I hope that is true, but it's a bit odd to have all these different ways to update the player.--Marc
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January 8, 2021, 11:54 PM #169
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Yes, you need to use the Esoteric Sound Stream app to update the network firmware. The base I/F firmware needs to be updated using a computer.
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January 14, 2021, 07:54 AM #170
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Esoteric has not licensed Leedh Processing Volume.
The I/F firmware is the main unit firmware that interfaces with the network board or SACD drive.Peter Lie
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February 3, 2021, 07:45 AM #171
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Noticed N-01XD is now showing Roon Ready on Roon’s webpage: Roon + Esoteric | Get Roon for a Better Music Experience
No network update available yet with Esoteric, but I am guessing it is coming soonPerlisten S7t speakers with two Perlisten R212s subwoofers | T+A PA 3100 HV integrated amp with PS 3000 HV power supply | Esoteric N-01XD DAC & Streamer| Esoteric G-05 Master Clock | Jay’s Audio CDT3-MK3 Transport | Innuos ZENith MK3| Shunyata Everest
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February 4, 2021, 04:44 PM #172
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February 4, 2021, 06:10 PM #173
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No need to. Here is what the Estoteric distributor / rep wrote me this morning when I wrote him:
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That is correct.
The Japan team is preparing for the release and going through some beta runs to be sure everything is good to go before posting. They are targeting the 5th, but it could be a day or two later as well. We’re close.Perlisten S7t speakers with two Perlisten R212s subwoofers | T+A PA 3100 HV integrated amp with PS 3000 HV power supply | Esoteric N-01XD DAC & Streamer| Esoteric G-05 Master Clock | Jay’s Audio CDT3-MK3 Transport | Innuos ZENith MK3| Shunyata Everest
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February 4, 2021, 06:15 PM #174
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February 4, 2021, 09:59 PM #175
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N-01XD is now Roon Ready.
Launch Esoteric Sound Stream app to upgrade the network firmware to 12.3k
In the app settings, enable Roon Ready (default).
USB firmware and I/F firmware also need to be running the latest version, see:
N-01XD | DOWNLOADS | ESOTERIC:Japan high-end audio manufacturer | エソテリックPeter Lie
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February 4, 2021, 10:03 PM #176
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February 5, 2021, 02:42 AM #177
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Note that latest I/F firmware is 2.00a. USB firmware is V0C0502.
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February 5, 2021, 02:48 AM #178
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Great news! Aligned with the timing of Roon 1.8 release.
Let's hope that the USB firmware upgrade isn't mandatory since I have never been able to update it.
I am not sure why it would be mandatory since Roon connection is through the network right?Room: Gik Acoustics | Vibration: Townshend pods | Power: Shunyata Omega XC + Everest + Sigma NR v2 + Sigma ground cables | Source: Mojo Audio DejaVu EVO linux server running Roon core (Raat) | Ethernet: Sonore Optical module + Melco S10 with dedicated LPS + Shunyata Omega Ethernet x 2| Synchronous digital (preferred signal path): Mutec MC-3 + USB (Paul Hynes LPS) + Cybershaft OP21A | Dac/Pre/Amplification: Devialet D1000 Pro CI (Chord Sarum T RCA-RCA link) | Speakers: Chord Sarum T + Wilson Benesch Act One Evolution P1
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February 5, 2021, 02:58 AM #179
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The various firmware communicate with each other.
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February 5, 2021, 09:24 AM #180
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I didn’t have to upgrade the USB firmware to make Roon ready work.
First impression is very positive:
- Streaming from my Mojo Dejavu Evo Roon core through a Melco S10 with a 5 US$ Ethernet cable from Melco to N-01XD I find the sound significantly superior to what I was getting with the Esoteric app. I’ll try next with a Shunyata Omega, it can only be better.
- zero discoverability/stability issue
Very happy so far!
Cheers,
Bernard
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February 5, 2021, 01:47 PM #181
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February 5, 2021, 04:59 PM #182
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Thanks to Mike, I got the USB update to work. You have to use the USB input to update that one! So, that's THREE different ways to update firmware on this thing: micro-usb, usb, and soundstream app, all depending on what you are trying to update.
Kind of complicated, but now I know. I'm all up to date.--Marc
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February 5, 2021, 06:59 PM #183
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Thanks! Did you use the “normal” USB at the rear or at the front?
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The updates with Esoteric must be the most cumbersome/ complicated that I have ever encountered. Not a big deal, at the end they work. It’s just the inconvenience and spending time figuring stuff out that should be explained better. Maybe a language and ‘ or cultural issue
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February 5, 2021, 08:16 PM #186
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Not for the Japanese...
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February 5, 2021, 08:19 PM #187
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That USB update only had an executable in the zip file, no pdf. Usually there is a pdf file with instructions for the update. A pdf would have been helpful, if only to tell the user which of the 3 USB inputs to use for the update
--Marc
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February 5, 2021, 09:45 PM #188
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Believe it or not, this is already much better than the old models, for which you cannot even do it without additional specialized flash programmer hardware, so you will have to send back the whole unit for firmware upgrade.
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February 5, 2021, 09:48 PM #189
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--Marc
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February 5, 2021, 11:08 PM #190
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To clarify the firmware update, there are three parts. You need internet access, correct type of computer OS, and two different cables.
Network firmware update - run Esoteric Sound Stream app on iPad or Android, and it will prompt you to update it (via internet) if necessary
I/F firmware update - this needs to be connected to the micro USB port (normally unused)
USB MQA firmware update - this needs to be done over the USB-Type B port for USB DAC input
Important notes:
- Make sure you connect using the correct cable to the correct port (this is super important, someone did it wrong and bricked it)
- Make sure you have downloaded the correct software for the correct model - do not attempt to use a firmware not meant for your model (someone did that and bricked it)
- Make sure you use the real correct type of required computer OS, not virtual
- Follow instructions carefully
Doing these wrong could be disastrous.
If you need help, check with your dealer or Esoteric.Peter Lie
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I was able to update my NET firmware to the newest version. It now shows NET 123K
I was able to update my I/F firmware. It now shows 2.00a
When i paged through I saw M* 0C050200 I received my N-01xd in December and that is the firmware that came with it.
The current one on the esoteric site: - January 14th 2021 V0C0502
So it looks like my USB is current, before they made it available on the website.
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February 8, 2021, 03:16 PM #193
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Wow, you are right. Mine also says "M", not "V". I've installed the "V" update. Peter, if you are listening...
In addition, while my N-01XD sounds amazing, it is experiencing dropouts randomly when I am using as a Roon endpoint. my network hasn't changed and I didn't get these dropouts when using a network bridge prior to the Roon certification.
The dropouts go away when I either power cycle the N-01XD, or even sometimes just restarting the song or switching to another song.
Anyone else experiencing this?--Marc
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February 9, 2021, 08:55 AM #194
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February 9, 2021, 09:44 AM #195
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Room: Gik Acoustics | Vibration: Townshend pods | Power: Shunyata Omega XC + Everest + Sigma NR v2 + Sigma ground cables | Source: Mojo Audio DejaVu EVO linux server running Roon core (Raat) | Ethernet: Sonore Optical module + Melco S10 with dedicated LPS + Shunyata Omega Ethernet x 2| Synchronous digital (preferred signal path): Mutec MC-3 + USB (Paul Hynes LPS) + Cybershaft OP21A | Dac/Pre/Amplification: Devialet D1000 Pro CI (Chord Sarum T RCA-RCA link) | Speakers: Chord Sarum T + Wilson Benesch Act One Evolution P1
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February 9, 2021, 10:22 AM #196
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February 9, 2021, 11:38 AM #197
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Please describe your network and how everything are connected together.
Please power off everything on your network including Roon Core, Esoteric, iPad, any network switches or access points. Power cycle the WiFi router, wait for 5 minutes, then power up everything else.
If you still get drop outs, please state the source of your music - Tidal, Qobuz, local music inside Roon Core, NAS, or anything else, and the sample rate, and format - PCM / MQA / DSD.Peter Lie
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