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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
    I have an N-01XD incoming. I want to use Roon, but can't until it's certified, so is this an option? I can substitute the Lumin app for the Soundstream app and it just works?
    Yes or Esoteric app (same exact thing). You may find it ultimately sounds better.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Yes or Esoteric app (same exact thing). You may find it ultimately sounds better.

    Just saying...
    Oh, so the Lumin app and Esoteric are identical? the person I quoted says the Lumin one is updated more often. They both don't seem as fully featured as Roon. I love Roon and bought a lifetime subscription, so I am really hoping they certify soon AND there is no loss in sound quality. Roon has been very good sounding for me so far...
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
    Oh, so the Lumin app and Esoteric are identical? the person I quoted says the Lumin one is updated more often. They both don't seem as fully featured as Roon. I love Roon and bought a lifetime subscription, so I am really hoping they certify soon AND there is no loss in sound quality. Roon has been very good sounding for me so far...
    Esoteric is working on certification for Roon (I ask often). The Esoteric app (developed by Lumin) seems great to me and sounds terrific.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Works for me with the Teac NT-505 (same company) and always has flawlessly. You gain the advantage of the latest applicable upgrades. I don't think either the Teac or Esoteric app has been updated in some time. Any of the three apps will work so take your pick.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Esoteric is working on certification for Roon (I ask often). The Esoteric app (developed by Lumin) seems great to me and sounds terrific.
    Got it. I have a very nice network bridge (SotM SMS-200 ultra neo special edition with the associated linear power supply) and I really like it. Ideally, I'll be able to sell it after the N-01XD is Roon certified, but before I do, I plan to do some SQ comparisons between the Esoteric/Lumin app via Ethernet and Roon via SoTm/USB and see how things shake out.

    Either way, I am sure things will sound fantastic! Can't wait.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
    I have an N-01XD incoming. I want to use Roon, but can't until it's certified, so is this an option? I can substitute the Lumin app for the Soundstream app and it just works?
    It is not Roon Ready certified. It is in process to be certified, but not there yet. If you ordered it after 9/21/20, you are out of luck, you have to wait until Roon certifies it. If you ordered it before that date, you will need to prove it to Roon, and they give you a “developer” status to use it with Roon.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    well, certainly the two, tube dac or n1xd are top units and it might come down to synergy over the last bit of quality.
    what i can tell you for sure, the tube dac will be perfect with the 300p. also the internal pre of the tube dac in this combination is at least as good as with an additional classic pre. thats the system my nagra dealer praises a lot. really liked it myself too.
    i think it depends on your long term planning about your amp. will you stay with the 300p? if yes, then the tube dac will be hard to beat. if no, the tube dac is still a top dac. but then you might need a pre.
    and if streaming is your goal, you will need to wait a couple more monthes for the nagra streamer, and yes, pay for it.
    the nagra streamer + tube dac + psu + 3 plattforms.....that is more than double the price of the n1xd.
    again, your bill is a bit different, n1xd would mean adding a pre at high level (plus powercorcd, interconnect)

    Finally, I ordered a Nagra Tube DAC to go direct into the Nagra 300p. Can't wait for it to arrive.

    P.S thanks for your feedback u-sound.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    wow! very cool, you will love it with your 300p!! your decision makes so much sense as things will fit together. did you order the psu as well?
    i can tell you, i regret to have sold mine. still havent ordered the n-01xd btw. i want to puzzle everything else together and then choose the streamer-dac with the best synergy with it.

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    Yes, I ordered the whole shebang: Classic PSU, VFS, DAC. It should arrive this week. I can't wait, the biggest audio purchase I have ever made, 4X my last biggest purchase

    I am waiting for your N-01XD to come, so I could hear your opinion on it.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    very very cool. painful price, on the other hand you get one of the most satisfaying music systems available.
    my dealer who has access to basicly anything choosed this one for himself. loved it myself every time, utterly beautiful.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    very very cool. painful price, on the other hand you get one of the most satisfaying music systems available.
    my dealer who has access to basicly anything choosed this one for himself. loved it myself every time, utterly beautiful.
    Thank you for your kind words. Makes me feel better about this insane purchase I just made .

    What is the rest of your dealer's system?

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    N-01XD owners be aware there is a new firmware recently available to upgrade.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    N-01XD owners be aware there is a new firmware recently available to upgrade.
    Yes, I installed this yesterday. Unfortunately it's not the Roon certification that I am praying for

    Supposedly this gives volume control, but I don't see how to make it work. No matter, I don't plan to use it, was just curious.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
    Yes, I installed this yesterday. Unfortunately it's not the Roon certification that I am praying for

    Supposedly this gives volume control, but I don't see how to make it work. No matter, I don't plan to use it, was just curious.
    From their webpage:
    We are pleased to announce that the N-01XD I/F Firmware V1.20 is now available.
    Please see download page.

    Supports new volume control specifications
    Add setting for Network display mode and Version display
    Improve some performances and minor bug fix

    Since Lumin did much of the software for this unit, wonder if the referenced volume control implementation is Leedh?

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    From their webpage:
    We are pleased to announce that the N-01XD I/F Firmware V1.20 is now available.
    Please see download page.

    Supports new volume control specifications
    Add setting for Network display mode and Version display
    Improve some performances and minor bug fix

    Since Lumin did much of the software for this unit, wonder if the referenced volume control implementation is Leedh?
    I believe Lumin is only involved with the network bridge with Esoteric. Maybe Peter Lie can confirm that. Tagging @wklie

    As far as the Roon Ready is concerned, this will come with a network firmware upgrade. Not the current I/F upgrade (Heck I don’t even know what “I/F” means in English).

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    I believe Lumin is only involved with the network bridge with Esoteric. Maybe Peter Lie can confirm that.

    As far as the Roon Ready is concerned, this will come with a network firmware upgrade. Not the current I/F upgrade (Heck I don’t even know what “I/F” means in English).
    I know! I was wondering what it means, too.

    According to the updated manual, network module updates (like Roon?) are possible using the app.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    I/F means interface.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by bernardl View Post
    I/F means interface.

    Cheers,
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    Ok, but that is still vague. It's not the network or usb interface, so what is it?

    Anyway, I mentioned earlier that the manual says we can update the network interface through the app. I hope that is true, but it's a bit odd to have all these different ways to update the player.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Yes, you need to use the Esoteric Sound Stream app to update the network firmware. The base I/F firmware needs to be updated using a computer.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Esoteric has not licensed Leedh Processing Volume.

    The I/F firmware is the main unit firmware that interfaces with the network board or SACD drive.
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