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    ok, thx.
    thought you would need an extreme internet connection for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post

    the question: how much resolution do you get with the n-01xd when you stream from a site direct to the dac? no server involved.
    How exactly would you stream from a site direct to the DAC without downloading, and with no server involved? It is a DSD 512 file.
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    How exactly would you stream from a site direct to the DAC without downloading...
    In exactly the same way you stream Spotify direct to the DAC without downloading.
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    CD quality is a stream. DSD 512 is a river.

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    Let's assume by approximation a DSD512 file is 1GB and plays for 4 minutes.
    That is 250MB per minute.
    25MB per 6 seconds.
    Assuming WAN speed to most homes is 50MBPS or better, the river is still looking more like a stream.
    Unless my reasoning here is fundamentally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    In exactly the same way you stream Spotify direct to the DAC without downloading.
    Spotify much less CD Quality. It cannot compare to the bandwidth required for DSD512.
    I know only of two ways to get DSD512 files.

    1. You can purchase and download the DSD512 file from a site like HDTracks, store it in a hard drive/SSD, and then play it via a DAC capable of doing DSD512, (I believe that this is what Mike was referring to), or
    2. You can use a computer with specialty software to upsample a file of a lower resolution (that may be stored in your computer or streamed from any site) to DSD512.

    In my experience I find it more convenient to use a music service and a computer, and convert/upsample any file to 512DSD on the fly without having to spend time downloading files to a drive.

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    Internet speed is measured in bits. Files are measured in bytes.

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    thx for all the discussion.

    i am new to streaming and close to order the n1xd with the new mutec se120 and a good switch.
    the internet speedtest showed 902mbps for download, so the plan is to get a qobuz hi-res membership and stream direct without a storage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    thx for all the discussion.

    i am new to streaming and close to order the n1xd with the new mutec se120 and a good switch.
    the internet speedtest showed 902mbps for download, so the plan is to get a qobuz hi-res membership and stream direct without a storage.
    I have been researching the Nagra tube DAC and saw that you bought one sometime back.

    Now, you are moving to the Esoteric N-01XD. I am very curious to know how you made this decision, have you compared the two. Does the N-01XD beat the Nagra Tube DAC, which would be quite an accomplishment if true. Since the Esoteric is much cheaper and an SS design.

    I am trying to decide between the two, myself.

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    Wow. Amazing sound! One of the best from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essrand View Post
    I have been researching the Nagra tube DAC and saw that you bought one sometime back.

    Now, you are moving to the Esoteric N-01XD. I am very curious to know how you made this decision, have you compared the two. Does the N-01XD beat the Nagra Tube DAC, which would be quite an accomplishment if true. Since the Esoteric is much cheaper and an SS design.

    I am trying to decide between the two, myself.

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    hi bhaskar
    thx for your question. yes, i had an all nagra system and it sounded very great, organic, rich, thereness. everything finetuned to each other, perfect synergy. the upgrade from hd dac to tube dac with psu was spectactular with good recordings.
    the reason to change is that the system i am puzzling together has the intention of an easy modern family system.
    streamer, integrated amp, speaker, thats it.
    the nagra is a bit complicated to handle for the kids. when you put it on, it takes 2 minutes to warm up. streamer, tube dac and psu means 3 units vs 1 unit (n-01xd).
    also, there was a friend who asked multiple times whether i want to sell the nagras. eventually i got weak and sold it about 2 weeks ago.
    i have no idea how the two compare. big price difference.
    not much help sorry. i really liked the tube dac with the psu. i am pretty sure i will like the esoteric as well.

    what is the rest of your electronic if i may ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    hi bhaskar
    thx for your question. yes, i had an all nagra system and it sounded very great, organic, rich, thereness. everything finetuned to each other, perfect synergy. the upgrade from hd dac to tube dac with psu was spectactular with good recordings.
    the reason to change is that the system i am puzzling together has the intention of an easy modern family system.
    streamer, integrated amp, speaker, thats it.
    the nagra is a bit complicated to handle for the kids. when you put it on, it takes 2 minutes to warm up. streamer, tube dac and psu means 3 units vs 1 unit (n-01xd).
    also, there was a friend who asked multiple times whether i want to sell the nagras. eventually i got weak and sold it about 2 weeks ago.
    i have no idea how the two compare. big price difference.
    not much help sorry. i really liked the tube dac with the psu. i am pretty sure i will like the esoteric as well.

    what is the rest of your electronic if i may ask?
    Hello,

    Thank you for your quick and detailed response.
    Currently my system is: Bricasti M12 (dac/streamer/preamp) -> Nagra 300P -> Devore speakers.
    Not getting a very good synergy between the Bricasti preamp and the Nagra amp, so thinking of replacing it with Nagra DAC and Nagra pre.

    Yeah, the Nagra tube dac is a too many boxes. Perhaps it's worth it. I don't know. I usually like tube dacs more than ss dacs and I loved the Nagra HD DAC when I heard it in my system.

    The Esoteric N-01XD seems like a nice compact solution and can be kept on all the time, so its a debate which way to go.

    Whenever you get the N-01 would love to hear your comparisons (via memory of course).

    Cheers,
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    For my money the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    For my money the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
    Have you heard the Nagra tube or HD DAC?

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    Being an owner of N-01, and being a former owner of many other DAC's, and having heard even more other DAC's than those, the N-01 remains the best I've thus heard. If there wasn't an N-01XD I'd be perfectly content with what I have. For the money, even at MSRP, the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Being an owner of N-01, and being a former owner of many other DAC's, and having heard even more other DAC's than those, the N-01 remains the best I've thus heard. If there wasn't an N-01XD I'd be perfectly content with what I have. For the money, even at MSRP, the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
    Thanks for your thoughts

    I know another guy (from whom I bought my Nagra amp), an experienced audiophile and reviews for some Taiwan hi-fi mag. I asked him the same question. He says the Nagra tube DAC is a no-brainer (he owns the HD and a DSC Rossini) and says Esoteric is too analytical. But I don't think he has heard the N-01 or the N-01XD

    U-sound might be the only person I know, who (at some point) will have heard both (but not A/B), there might be others but they ain't on the internet I guess, and are too busy listening to music.

    I haven't heard any Esoteric digital piece so am biased towards Nagra dac since I heard the Nagra HD once and was floored. So let's see.

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    well, certainly the two, tube dac or n1xd are top units and it might come down to synergy over the last bit of quality.
    what i can tell you for sure, the tube dac will be perfect with the 300p. also the internal pre of the tube dac in this combination is at least as good as with an additional classic pre. thats the system my nagra dealer praises a lot. really liked it myself too.
    i think it depends on your long term planning about your amp. will you stay with the 300p? if yes, then the tube dac will be hard to beat. if no, the tube dac is still a top dac. but then you might need a pre.
    and if streaming is your goal, you will need to wait a couple more monthes for the nagra streamer, and yes, pay for it.
    the nagra streamer + tube dac + psu + 3 plattforms.....that is more than double the price of the n1xd.
    again, your bill is a bit different, n1xd would mean adding a pre at high level (plus powercorcd, interconnect)
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    well, certainly the two, tube dac or n1xd are top units and it might come down to synergy over the last bit of quality.
    what i can tell you for sure, the tube dac will be perfect with the 300p. also the internal pre of the tube dac in this combination is at least as good as with an additional classic pre. thats the system my nagra dealer praises a lot. really liked it myself too.
    i think it depends on your long term planning about your amp. will you stay with the 300p? if yes, then the tube dac will be hard to beat. if no, the tube dac is still a top dac. but then you might need a pre.
    and if streaming is your goal, you will need to wait a couple more monthes for the nagra streamer, and yes, pay for it.
    the nagra streamer + tube dac + psu + 3 plattforms.....that is more than double the price of the n1xd.
    again, your bill is a bit different, n1xd would mean adding a pre at high level (plus powercorcd, interconnect)
    That is very useful information. If the Nagra tube dac will save me from buying the pre, then it's worth it.

    Have you heard the combo, the Nagra tube dac straight into the 300p, is that what your Nagra dealer praises or is it with the classic pre that your dealer praises (sorry I didn't get that part) ? I am always wary of DAC direct, have tried so many times and failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essrand View Post
    That is very useful information. If the Nagra tube dac will save me from buying the pre, then it's worth it.

    Have you heard the combo, the Nagra tube dac straight into the 300p, is that what your Nagra dealer praises or is it with the classic pre that your dealer praises (sorry I didn't get that part) ? I am always wary of DAC direct, have tried so many times and failed.
    Sorry, I will take the rest of this discussion about the Nagra Tube DAC offline to avoid derailing this thread.
    But, u-sound, please feel free to post your thoughts on N-01XD vs Nagra tube dac on this thread, as that would be relevant here.

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    I cannot help but notice Mike has gone quiet on Esoteric here recently
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    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    I cannot help but notice Mike has gone quiet on Esoteric here recently
    Mike is working, doing installs, several demos daily, working on the new (will be amazing!) Suncoast Audio website, putting two kids through school, running the Daddy taxi service, dealing with a broken AC unit at my house, dealing with car issues, playing in three adult hockey leagues, coaching my sons hockey, dealing with our rental properties and figuring out how to get my elderly relatives here for the holidays from Canada since the Government up there has closed the border. Esoteric N-01XD

    My PS1 did arrive and Iíll hopefully be testing it out soon. Sorry for not posting more, the Esoteric stuff is fantastic. Iíll let you know how the PS1 sounds. The clock was a significant improvement.


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    Mike sounds busy!!!! I wonder which one of those jobs pays the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Mike sounds busy!!!! I wonder which one of those jobs pays the most?

    Hope you're successful getting to see your Canadian relatives for the holidays.
    Well, I pay to play hockey, so not that one! Esoteric N-01XD

    Iíll be honest, I try to let all you guys chat more about stuff than always me! Itís far more interesting to see what you guys are discovering. So, Iím sorry I havenít posted more.


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    Dear all, how would anyone compare N-01XD with Chord M-Scaler + Dave + any top Streamer? Would you choose N-01XD over Chord if you were using Chord currently? This post seems the best for N-01XD anywhere on the Web!? Thank you for sharing any experience/thoughts.

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    There is a network firmware update for N-01XD today (not Roon Ready).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignchan View Post
    Dear all, how would anyone compare N-01XD with Chord M-Scaler + Dave + any top Streamer? Would you choose N-01XD over Chord if you were using Chord currently? This post seems the best for N-01XD anywhere on the Web!? Thank you for sharing any experience/thoughts.
    I know a guy locally who replaced that exact Chord combo plus dCS Bridge with N-01XD, and he is very happy. I donít think he goes in Audio Forums much
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    There is a network firmware update for N-01XD today (not Roon Ready).
    Iím not seeing this Peter, only the one from June 10.


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    Please use Esoteric Sound Stream app or Lumin app to upgrade its network firmware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Please use Esoteric Sound Stream app or Lumin app to upgrade its network firmware.
    No updates found.


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    Please double tap iPad home button, swipe away the app and relaunch it. And/or try the other app and select N-01XD.

    @thyname does the network firmware upgrade work for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Please double tap iPad home button, swipe away the app and relaunch it. And/or try the other app and select N-01XD.

    @thyname does the network firmware upgrade work for you?
    No change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    @thyname does the network firmware upgrade work for you?
    I am at work now, so cannot try it. I will try it when I get back home this evening. Thanks for posting this here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Please double tap iPad home button, swipe away the app and relaunch it. And/or try the other app and select N-01XD.

    @thyname does the network firmware upgrade work for you?
    Just checked. Both Esoteric and Lumin apps. No update available. Current version shows as 12.2u release September 14, 2020
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Mike, what is the Network firmware version and date of your N-01XD shown in Esoteric app or Lumin app? If you're already using a September firmware you won't get the update notification.
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