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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    ok, thx.
    thought you would need an extreme internet connection for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post

    the question: how much resolution do you get with the n-01xd when you stream from a site direct to the dac? no server involved.
    How exactly would you stream from a site direct to the DAC without downloading, and with no server involved? It is a DSD 512 file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    How exactly would you stream from a site direct to the DAC without downloading...
    In exactly the same way you stream Spotify direct to the DAC without downloading.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    CD quality is a stream. DSD 512 is a river.

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    Let's assume by approximation a DSD512 file is 1GB and plays for 4 minutes.
    That is 250MB per minute.
    25MB per 6 seconds.
    Assuming WAN speed to most homes is 50MBPS or better, the river is still looking more like a stream.
    Unless my reasoning here is fundamentally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    In exactly the same way you stream Spotify direct to the DAC without downloading.
    Spotify much less CD Quality. It cannot compare to the bandwidth required for DSD512.
    I know only of two ways to get DSD512 files.

    1. You can purchase and download the DSD512 file from a site like HDTracks, store it in a hard drive/SSD, and then play it via a DAC capable of doing DSD512, (I believe that this is what Mike was referring to), or
    2. You can use a computer with specialty software to upsample a file of a lower resolution (that may be stored in your computer or streamed from any site) to DSD512.

    In my experience I find it more convenient to use a music service and a computer, and convert/upsample any file to 512DSD on the fly without having to spend time downloading files to a drive.

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    Internet speed is measured in bits. Files are measured in bytes.

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    thx for all the discussion.

    i am new to streaming and close to order the n1xd with the new mutec se120 and a good switch.
    the internet speedtest showed 902mbps for download, so the plan is to get a qobuz hi-res membership and stream direct without a storage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    thx for all the discussion.

    i am new to streaming and close to order the n1xd with the new mutec se120 and a good switch.
    the internet speedtest showed 902mbps for download, so the plan is to get a qobuz hi-res membership and stream direct without a storage.
    I have been researching the Nagra tube DAC and saw that you bought one sometime back.

    Now, you are moving to the Esoteric N-01XD. I am very curious to know how you made this decision, have you compared the two. Does the N-01XD beat the Nagra Tube DAC, which would be quite an accomplishment if true. Since the Esoteric is much cheaper and an SS design.

    I am trying to decide between the two, myself.

    Thanks,
    Bhaskar

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    Wow. Amazing sound! One of the best from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essrand View Post
    I have been researching the Nagra tube DAC and saw that you bought one sometime back.

    Now, you are moving to the Esoteric N-01XD. I am very curious to know how you made this decision, have you compared the two. Does the N-01XD beat the Nagra Tube DAC, which would be quite an accomplishment if true. Since the Esoteric is much cheaper and an SS design.

    I am trying to decide between the two, myself.

    Thanks,
    Bhaskar
    hi bhaskar
    thx for your question. yes, i had an all nagra system and it sounded very great, organic, rich, thereness. everything finetuned to each other, perfect synergy. the upgrade from hd dac to tube dac with psu was spectactular with good recordings.
    the reason to change is that the system i am puzzling together has the intention of an easy modern family system.
    streamer, integrated amp, speaker, thats it.
    the nagra is a bit complicated to handle for the kids. when you put it on, it takes 2 minutes to warm up. streamer, tube dac and psu means 3 units vs 1 unit (n-01xd).
    also, there was a friend who asked multiple times whether i want to sell the nagras. eventually i got weak and sold it about 2 weeks ago.
    i have no idea how the two compare. big price difference.
    not much help sorry. i really liked the tube dac with the psu. i am pretty sure i will like the esoteric as well.

    what is the rest of your electronic if i may ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    hi bhaskar
    thx for your question. yes, i had an all nagra system and it sounded very great, organic, rich, thereness. everything finetuned to each other, perfect synergy. the upgrade from hd dac to tube dac with psu was spectactular with good recordings.
    the reason to change is that the system i am puzzling together has the intention of an easy modern family system.
    streamer, integrated amp, speaker, thats it.
    the nagra is a bit complicated to handle for the kids. when you put it on, it takes 2 minutes to warm up. streamer, tube dac and psu means 3 units vs 1 unit (n-01xd).
    also, there was a friend who asked multiple times whether i want to sell the nagras. eventually i got weak and sold it about 2 weeks ago.
    i have no idea how the two compare. big price difference.
    not much help sorry. i really liked the tube dac with the psu. i am pretty sure i will like the esoteric as well.

    what is the rest of your electronic if i may ask?
    Hello,

    Thank you for your quick and detailed response.
    Currently my system is: Bricasti M12 (dac/streamer/preamp) -> Nagra 300P -> Devore speakers.
    Not getting a very good synergy between the Bricasti preamp and the Nagra amp, so thinking of replacing it with Nagra DAC and Nagra pre.

    Yeah, the Nagra tube dac is a too many boxes. Perhaps it's worth it. I don't know. I usually like tube dacs more than ss dacs and I loved the Nagra HD DAC when I heard it in my system.

    The Esoteric N-01XD seems like a nice compact solution and can be kept on all the time, so its a debate which way to go.

    Whenever you get the N-01 would love to hear your comparisons (via memory of course).

    Cheers,
    Bhaskar

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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    For my money the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    For my money the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
    Have you heard the Nagra tube or HD DAC?

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    Being an owner of N-01, and being a former owner of many other DAC's, and having heard even more other DAC's than those, the N-01 remains the best I've thus heard. If there wasn't an N-01XD I'd be perfectly content with what I have. For the money, even at MSRP, the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
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    Re: Esoteric N-01XD

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Being an owner of N-01, and being a former owner of many other DAC's, and having heard even more other DAC's than those, the N-01 remains the best I've thus heard. If there wasn't an N-01XD I'd be perfectly content with what I have. For the money, even at MSRP, the N-01XD is a no-brainer.
    Thanks for your thoughts

    I know another guy (from whom I bought my Nagra amp), an experienced audiophile and reviews for some Taiwan hi-fi mag. I asked him the same question. He says the Nagra tube DAC is a no-brainer (he owns the HD and a DSC Rossini) and says Esoteric is too analytical. But I don't think he has heard the N-01 or the N-01XD

    U-sound might be the only person I know, who (at some point) will have heard both (but not A/B), there might be others but they ain't on the internet I guess, and are too busy listening to music.

    I haven't heard any Esoteric digital piece so am biased towards Nagra dac since I heard the Nagra HD once and was floored. So let's see.

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