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    EMM Labs NS1



    A new arrival to our digital stable. The EMM NS1 uses a proprietary link to the DV2 (or DA2) and acts as a Roon Endpoint.

    If you own an EMM Labs DAC, this is a must IMO. The sonic boost has been significant.

    MSRP is $4500


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    For anyone who has an EMM NS1, please post what you like and dislike about this streamer.

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    "The sonic boost has been been significant." ...compared to what?

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    "The sonic boost has been been significant." ...compared to what?
    Lumin U1 mini we were using to feed it.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    There is an MQA update coming soon for the NS1 which will allow even higher resolution MQA streaming.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke97 View Post
    For anyone who has an EMM NS1, please post what you like and dislike about this streamer.

    Thanks,
    Duke
    I wouldn't buy one if you don't have a EMM DAC. The EMM link is the key and what gives it such great synergy. I think it sounds way better than the Aurender N10 it replaced in my room, especially with DSD.

    No USB output. Really need to use it as a Roon endpoint, because there isn't proprietary software like other streamers.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    There is an MQA update coming soon for the NS1 which will allow even higher resolution MQA streaming.


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    Hopefully it's a software update that doesn't require the unit to be shipped back to Canada.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    There is an MQA update coming soon for the NS1 which will allow even higher resolution MQA streaming.


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    That's interesting Mike. There are so many in our hobby who revel in denigrating MQA yet three companies (MSB, dCS and EMM) all of which would be included in most everyone's list of TOP 5 have chosen include MQA as a option for their customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    That's interesting Mike. There are so many in our hobby who revel in denigrating MQA yet three companies (MSB, dCS and EMM) all of which would be included in most everyone's list of TOP 5 have chosen include MQA as a option for their customers.
    Having the option doesn't mean it's worth using. EMM Labs included MQA because not having every option can affect sales. It's a lossy format, there's no getting around that.

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    Most, if not 99% of, DACs on the market will not accept DSD over Toslink or AES... so youre in essence buying a PCM/MQA streamer unless you have an EMM DAC

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    Having the option doesn't mean it's worth using. EMM Labs included MQA because not having every option can affect sales. It's a lossy format, there's no getting around that.
    24000+ MQA releases and growing. All the howling is having no effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    24000+ MQA releases and growing. All the howling is having no effect.
    and there are millions of mp3s, what's your point?
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    and there are millions of mp3s, what's your point?
    My point is there are plenty of anti MQA threads on the net. This thread is not one of them.
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Would be nice if EMM released a stand-alone streamer+dac one box product.

    Aka like a Lumin

    Remove all the legacy ports from the DA/DV2 such as SPDIF and AES etc.

    Sell it a more accessible price point than their current 30K flagships.

    They would have a hit on their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    My point is there are plenty of anti MQA threads on the net. This thread is not one of them.
    So stating facts makes someone "anti" a thing. Pretty strange thinking there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Would be nice if EMM released a stand-alone streamer+dac one box product.

    Aka like a Lumin

    Remove all the legacy ports from the DA/DV2 such as SPDIF and AES etc.

    Sell it a more accessible price point than their current 30K flagships.

    They would have a hit on their hands.
    According to EMM AES and Toslink are by no means legacy ports. In fact they consider them superior to USB, its just that USB is much easier to implement so everyone does it. How much truth there is to that I don't know

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    I don’t see the all in one streamer-DAC-pre coming form EMM. Next up in the product line is their new phono pre-amp. I’ve seen it via FaceTime.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Has the NS1 retail price jumped to $7500?

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Has the NS1 retail price jumped to $7500?
    Not that I’m aware of.


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    Fake news, spoke with EMM. Retail remains $4500

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Bumping this old thread. Is the NS1 still "relevant".

    I've toyed with trying the DA2, so the NS1 would be a fit in that scenario.

    Alternatively, I've considered an Aurender N10, or a Lumin U1 (or possibly an Innuos Zenith MK iii). SQ is my top priority over onboard storage, etc. Roon isn't important to me - --
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Bumping this old thread. Is the NS1 still "relevant".

    I've toyed with trying the DA2, so the NS1 would be a fit in that scenario.

    Alternatively, I've considered an Aurender N10, or a Lumin U1 (or possibly an Innuos Zenith MK iii). SQ is my top priority over onboard storage, etc. Roon isn't important to me - --
    No. So much better out there.


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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    No. So much better out there.


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    Yup. Seemed to be a low effort product from EMM. It feels like it was released just so they could say they have a streamer.
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Got it. Reading reviews (for those that ended up with the DA2) it seemed people loved the sound due to the proprietary connection.

    What should I be looking at in the general price range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    Yup. Seemed to be a low effort product from EMM. It feels like it was released just so they could say they have a streamer.
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    No. So much better out there.


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    So what current recommended streamers are there?

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    You named all the ones I’d consider if I was looking - Lumin, Aurender, Innuous. Perhaps Melco, have read good things about that also.
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    Re: EMM Labs NS1

    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post
    You named all the ones I’d consider if I was looking - Lumin, Aurender, Innuous. Perhaps Melco, have read good things about that also.
    Yes seems the new Lumin U2 Mini has an outstanding price / performance ratio.

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