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    EMM Labs DA2

    I had a visit from the new EMM distributor today. Had the opportunity to listen to the new DA2 today in the store. The distributor was kind enough to leave it with me for a few weeks so we will be giving it a good listen!

    The DA2 and MSB Premier couldn’t be more different in their presentation. They are both excellent in their own way.

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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    And what was your favourite flavour Mike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bart View Post
    And what was your favourite flavour Mike?
    What you guys need to understand, is that as much as I would love to say, (and they are both truly are great), but, some people get some serious butt hurt - even when you are just pointing out TECHNICAL differences or deficiencies. When I had the Innuos on loan and gave my honest feedback, it created a problem. And I liked it, but if you state one negative thing, that’s all they focus on, even if it’s technical in nature.

    And you guys wonder why there are no “bad reviews.” LOL.

    Let’s just say that they are both great (and they are!!!!!) and everyone should really listen and decide on their own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    What you guys need to understand, is that as much as I would love to say, (and they are both truly are great), but, some people get some serious butt hurt - even when you are just pointing out TECHNICAL differences or deficiencies. When I had the Innuos on loan and gave my honest feedback, it created a problem. And I liked it, but if you state one negative thing, that’s all they focus on, even if it’s technical in nature.

    And you guys wonder why there are no “bad reviews.” LOL.

    Let’s just say that they are both great (and they are!!!!!) and everyone should really listen and decide on their own.


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    I don't blame you, Mike.

    Assuming you have heard the EMM DAC2X, would you say that the DA2 is similar in sonic qualities?
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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    I love my EMM Labs DV2!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asindc View Post
    I don't blame you, Mike.

    Assuming you have heard the EMM DAC2X, would you say that the DA2 is similar in sonic qualities?
    Yes and no. As you would expect from Ed and his son, the DA2 handles DSD just beautifully. I just played this album in DSD and it was wonderful.

    Question for the DA2 guys: what is the break in period?




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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    What you guys need to understand, is that as much as I would love to say, (and they are both truly are great), but, some people get some serious butt hurt - even when you are just pointing out TECHNICAL differences or deficiencies. When I had the Innuos on loan and gave my honest feedback, it created a problem. And I liked it, but if you state one negative thing, that’s all they focus on, even if it’s technical in nature.

    And you guys wonder why there are no “bad reviews.” LOL.

    Let’s just say that they are both great (and they are!!!!!) and everyone should really listen and decide on their own.


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    Nicely stated Mike.

    Without having A/B'd the two units (or speaking with Mike) my "assumption" is that the MSB has a smoother and better mid-range with great vocal clarity. The EMM unit is more detailed and seemingly able to extract more information. Each of those will have proponents.
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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    Is there any sonic difference between the DA2 and DV2?


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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    I have a friend locally that has this EMM DAC. It is a terrific piece with lots of flexibility. Keep us posted Mike!
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    Re: EMM Labs DA2

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is there any sonic difference between the DA2 and DV2?


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    I have not compared the 2 units, but got the DV2 to eliminate using a preamp.


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    EMM Labs DA2

    Quick update: this DA2 is breaking in nicely. I find it very particular with the right cables and the overall system synergy. Gobs of detail. It’s a very front row presentation. All good, yet different. Right now we have it connected with to the Luxman C900u and M900u on the M2’s. Getting much better synergy with this system Vs the Fyne’s and Viva. The Fyne’s have gobs of detail and it might have been too much of a good thing. The sweetness of the Luxman and the balanced neutrality and naturalness is the Magico’s is a good match.

    No, I will not give a big comparison to MSB. But let me just say, MSB is like listening to Reel to Reel Tape. This is different, but still good.


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    https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/revie...c-review-r872/

    DV2 Review. "The EMM Labs DV2 is as good or better than anything I've ever heard in my reference system. Period."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Quick update: this DA2 is breaking in nicely. I find it very particular with the right cables and the overall system synergy. Gobs of detail. It’s a very front row presentation. All good, yet different. Right now we have it connected with to the Luxman C900u and M900u on the M2’s. Getting much better synergy with this system Vs the Fyne’s and Viva. The Fyne’s have gobs of detail and it might have been too much of a good thing. The sweetness of the Luxman and the balanced neutrality and naturalness is the Magico’s is a good match.

    No, I will not give a big comparison to MSB. But let me just say, MSB is like listening to Reel to Reel Tape. This is different, but still good.


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    Try feeding it with NS1 via EMM Link. I found it to be far superior to my Aurender N10 via USB


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Try feeding it with NS1 via EMM Link. I found it to be far superior to my Aurender N10 via USB


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    NS1?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil A View Post
    Thanks. The rep never mentioned this. I’m really happy with the Aurender W20SE feeding the DAC’s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Thanks. The rep never mentioned this. I’m really happy with the Aurender W20SE feeding the DAC’s.
    There's a long thread about the streamer and their proprietary connection - EMM Labs - NS1 Network Streamer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil A View Post
    There's a long thread about the streamer and their proprietary connection - EMM Labs - NS1 Network Streamer
    Thanks Phil. Just read it. Definitely sounds like a great piece. I will definitely ask the rep to give it a try.

    My personal observation is that this is a great DAC which needs some break in and it is a bit particular with cables and source. Get it right and it rewards you in spades. It’s definitely a “front row” presenation and definitely a micro detail champ. Big soundstage too. I also found the XLR output sounds better than the RCA.
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    Interesting points on the AES/SPDIF connections:


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    EMM Labs DA2

    As you are all aware, I spend a lot of time and money to go to shows like Munich, like Axpona and RMAF and I also spend a lot of time testing and evaluating a variety of potential products for the store on a seemingly constant basis. I’ve enjoyed sharing some of these journeys with you.

    But it’s amazing to me how lazy some dealers are. It’s amazing to me how many just copy me rather than do the travel and the work themselves. Unfortunately, I’m going to have to be more guarded about what I’m evaluating or considering in the future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    As you are all aware, I spend a lot of time and money to go to shows like Munich, like Axpona and RMAF and I also spend a lot of time testing and evaluating a variety of potential products for the store on a seemingly constant basis. I’ve enjoyed sharing some of these journeys with you.

    But it’s amazing to me how lazy some dealers are. It’s amazing to me how many just copy me rather than do the travel and the work themselves. Unfortunately, I’m going to have to be more guarded about what I’m evaluating or considering in the future.


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    That sucks. I think I know exactly who you’re referring to ...

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    Every tree has a bad apple. You are one of the good guys Mike. We appreciate your candor and honesty.
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    Yes EMMlabs is wonderfull. I'm lucky enough my dealer has some great EMMlabs gear. No way in hell that I can ever afford EMMlabs (or Meitner)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordante View Post


    Yes EMMlabs is wonderfull. I'm lucky enough my dealer has some great EMMlabs gear. No way in hell that I can ever afford EMMlabs (or Meitner)
    Would love to hear the amps, but they're way outside my audio budget.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Would love to hear the amps, but they're way outside my audio budget.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Would love to hear the amps, but they're way outside my audio budget.


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    Not sure if my post was confusing, but I am adding EMMLabs. Starting with a DV2 which already has the latest and greatest upgrade. The DA2 will get this upgrade this summer.


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    Interesting, congrats Mike. What will the MA2 upgrade pertain?


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    My upgrade was just finished, and is shipping back later this week.

    There’s a major USB upgrade, but also “The entire analog chain has been redesigned improving transparency and definition, especially in low frequency response which I believe will put your jaw on the floor almost instantly. The V2 also has a new FPGA design, new modulators, new digital filters and a more efficient signal path. In the menu you can now designate the output voltage for better pairing with different preamps. And finally, the DA2 V2 is now MQA certified over USB input and core decoding over EMM Link when paired with the NS1 Network Streamer.”

    That’s direct from Amadeus Meitner


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    My upgrade was just finished, and is shipping back later this week.

    There’s a major USB upgrade, but also “The entire analog chain has been redesigned improving transparency and definition, especially in low frequency response which I believe will put your jaw on the floor almost instantly. The V2 also has a new FPGA design, new modulators, new digital filters and a more efficient signal path. In the menu you can now designate the output voltage for better pairing with different preamps. And finally, the DA2 V2 is now MQA certified over USB input and core decoding over EMM Link when paired with the NS1 Network Streamer.”

    That’s direct from Amadeus Meitner


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    I can attest, the upgrade is significant. Looking forward to your impressions.


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    I started my journey into audio at a young age. Tinkering with my first Aiwa stereo to get the most out of it, then progressed into the best audio equipment I could find for my first few cars. I’ve progressed through the years trying to build the best home audio system I could. I’ve had a plethora of DACs built on more chips than a bag of Doritos. DACs costing a few thousand dollars to cost-no-object equipment that costs more than a 7 series BMW. Ladders, AKM, Sabre, Burr-Brown, a handful of proprietary designs..you name it, I’ve had it come through my system. Yet none of them provided the perfection I sought. It wasn’t until the introduction of the EMM Labs DA2 In to my system that I knew my search had ended. The DA2 is exceedingly transparent, without the hint of coloration. A perfect balance of frequencies from top-to-bottom. I was utterly blown away with the drum kit on Medeski, Martin, & Wood’s “Last Chance To Dance Trance (Perhaps).” The crack of the snare, the decay of the bell on the ride cymbal, the thud of the kick drum.. all made be feel like I was sitting at my own drum kit. Listening to this DAC is a surreal experience for any true audiophile. With the V2 upgrade they’ve improved what I thought couldn’t be improved. Get ready to hear every-last-detail of your source material, good or bad. I’ve found myself re-listening to songs and albums I’ve heard hundreds of times, yet finding myself shocked that I never heard “that part” of the song before. This is as close to real world reproduction as I have ever heard. Don’t let anyone tell you that it isn’t possible for an analog sound out of digital equipment. Anyone saying that hasn’t heard the the EMM Labs DA2 V2. Pair it with the NS1, and PRE prepare for an even more incredible experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    I started my journey into audio at a young age. Tinkering with my first Aiwa stereo to get the most out of it, then progressed into the best audio equipment I could find for my first few cars. I’ve progressed through the years trying to build the best home audio system I could. I’ve had a plethora of DACs built on more chips than a bag of Doritos. DACs costing a few thousand dollars to cost-no-object equipment that costs more than a 7 series BMW. Ladders, AKM, Sabre, Burr-Brown, a handful of proprietary designs..you name it, I’ve had it come through my system. Yet none of them provided the perfection I sought. It wasn’t until the introduction of the EMM Labs DA2 In to my system that I knew my search had ended. The DA2 is exceedingly transparent, without the hint of coloration. A perfect balance of frequencies from top-to-bottom. I was utterly blown away with the drum kit on Medeski, Martin, & Wood’s “Last Chance To Dance Trance (Perhaps).” The crack of the snare, the decay of the bell on the ride cymbal, the thud of the kick drum.. all made be feel like I was sitting at my own drum kit. Listening to this DAC is a surreal experience for any true audiophile. With the V2 upgrade they’ve improved what I thought couldn’t be improved. Get ready to hear every-last-detail of your source material, good or bad. I’ve found myself re-listening to songs and albums I’ve heard hundreds of times, yet finding myself shocked that I never heard “that part” of the song before. This is as close to real world reproduction as I have ever heard. Don’t let anyone tell you that it isn’t possible for an analog sound out of digital equipment. Anyone saying that hasn’t heard the the EMM Labs DA2 V2. Pair it with the NS1, and PRE prepare for an even more incredible experience
    Hi Phisphan,

    Thank you so much for sharing. My DA2 to V2 is almost done. Can't wait to hear the improvements you mentioned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuen Andy View Post
    Hi Phisphan,

    Thank you so much for sharing. My DA2 to V2 is almost done. Can't wait to hear the improvements you mentioned!
    Biggest improvement is in the bass.


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    Mike, you are so right on with your comments re no bad reviews and folks focussing on one or two slightly negative points. If I get something in to review that I can't get into, it goes back to the manufacturer. Just because I didn't vibe with it, doesn't automatically mean it's a bad product, so writing something negative doesn't help anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcsnare View Post
    Mike, you are so right on with your comments re no bad reviews and folks focussing on one or two slightly negative points. If I get something in to review that I can't get into, it goes back to the manufacturer. Just because I didn't vibe with it, doesn't automatically mean it's a bad product, so writing something negative doesn't help anyone.
    Dave, I’m wondering though if this isn’t a slippery slope. Can you imagine ANY other industry acting like this? Cars, appliances, apparel, etc. This is why we are seeing the rise of Vloggers and other types of sites like pay sites giving reviews with a different angle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Dave, I’m wondering though if this isn’t a slippery slope. Can you imagine ANY other industry acting like this? Cars, appliances, apparel, etc. This is why we are seeing the rise of Vloggers and other types of sites like pay sites giving reviews with a different angle.
    I kind of think the slope has already slipped. That's part of the reason I encouraged everyone who listened to the DAC I designed to write what they thought, even if they didn't like it or liked something else better. Negative reviews can help potential customers figure out if a product is really right for them, just as much as positive reviews (e.g. your recent review of the Tesla braking system). Especially in such a subjective market.

    Of course, negative reviews are more beneficial to an unknown brand or product, than to something well known (New Coke?), but I still think it's the honest way to approach things, and research seems to find customers agree (Google search returns many results if anyone is curious). The only exception would be if there's some fatal flaw in your product, like a safety issue or a serious technical issue, but in that case it probably is better overall if no one buys your product.
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    Mike,
    I get what you're saying yet hifi gear is so subjective. In a perfect world, how do you think it should be reviewed? I'm legit asking, not being argumentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcsnare View Post
    Mike,
    I get what you're saying yet hifi gear is so subjective. In a perfect world, how do you think it should be reviewed? I'm legit asking, not being argumentative.
    Hi Dave - first, want to say how glad I am that you’re here. I look forward to meeting you at the Florida Audio Expo.

    Second, I’m a fan of the reviewers, but I know first hand how careful they have to be. In my opinion, we should be all comfortable enough to see reviews which point out all pro’s, con’s and known comparisons. No candy coating. No tip toeing. Build, features and sound are all compared with an open Kimono. No finishing a Luke warm review with “if you’re in the market for a DAC costing $5000, you should check ABC DAC out.” No, it should read: “I can’t recommend this DAC. It didn’t handle DSD well, it doesn’t have MQA, sonically it was quite thin and bright. There are better DAC’s for less such as X, Y and Z.” Whatever. Just an example. When I reviewed the Lumin A1, I gave an honest fair review pointing out the pro’s and con’s. This was long before I was a dealer.

    I just watched a review of the Porsche Boxster 25 and the reviewer said “I hate the interior. No, no. It just doesn’t work.” And made some jokes.

    There are numerous examples of car reviews. Just watch old Top Gear. I can’t speak about watches, dishwashers, coffee makers, lawn mowers or things like that, but the car industry is a good example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Hi Dave - first, want to say how glad I am that you’re here. I look forward to meeting you at the Florida Audio Expo.

    Second, I’m a fan of the reviewers, but I know first hand how careful they have to be. In my opinion, we should be all comfortable enough to see reviews which point out all pro’s, con’s and known comparisons. No candy coating. No tip toeing. Build, features and sound are all compared with an open Kimono. No finishing a Luke warm review with “if you’re in the market for a DAC costing $5000, you should check ABC DAC out.” No, it should read: “I can’t recommend this DAC. It didn’t handle DSD well, it doesn’t have MQA, sonically it was quite thin and bright. There are better DAC’s for less such as X, Y and Z.” Whatever. Just an example. When I reviewed the Lumin A1, I gave an honest fair review pointing out the pro’s and con’s. This was long before I was a dealer.

    I just watched a review of the Porsche Boxster 25 and the reviewer said “I hate the interior. No, no. It just doesn’t work.” And made some jokes.

    There are numerous examples of car reviews. Just watch old Top Gear. I can’t speak about watches, dishwashers, coffee makers, lawn mowers or things like that, but the car industry is a good example.


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    Yeah, Florida will be fun! Let's hang.
    As far as the review situation, I agree that it would be fun to see more no-punches-pulled reviews. But there is an inherent problem that doesn't have anything to do with politics and conflicts of interest.
    What if in the case of a speaker, my room just doesn't like it? Or with electronics, the system synergy is way off? Or what if my preferences of what I like to hear is very different from someone else? What about being so locked into the way my reference system sounds, there is very little psychological room to embrace a different sounding, but high performing piece of gear? It's tricky.
    I am always honest in my pieces and don't overly sugar coat, but since I make sure to only write about stuff that I think sounds good, I can totally see how it might come off as the same ole rave.
    As I said, I've sent several things back that I thought were poor sounding or had poorly designed operating features - with my feedback to the manufacturer. I've also reviewed things that are highly regarded by many folks - but that I had a harder time with, although if you read closely I'm clear about the issues I had.
    I feel like hifi reviews are SO subjective it falls in more of a wine review category as opposed to cars or other stuff.
    My main focus is to talk in an entertaining way and tell a story about how a piece of gear sounded to ME, in the hope that someone in the market for that kind of product is inspired to make an effort to hear it for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcsnare View Post
    What if in the case of a speaker, my room just doesn't like it? Or with electronics, the system synergy is way off? Or what if my preferences of what I like to hear is very different from someone else? What about being so locked into the way my reference system sounds, there is very little psychological room to embrace a different sounding, but high performing piece of gear?
    When researching something one needs to read multiple reviews, the reviewer needs to clearly articulate why they hold the opinion they have and in what environment, and one also needs to get a feel for how to interpret and how much to trust the reviewer. That's why people go to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, and the top reviewers featured on those platforms explain and compare so the reader knows why, and can also decide if that matters to them and in what way.

    As an example, one of the negative reviews of Schindler's List complains about how good and evil is not clearly presented to the viewer. So, okay, I get some idea of how much to value that reviewer's opinion and what he was personally looking for, and also what sort of movie Schindler's List is going to be.

    The room should theoretically have the same general impact for all the gear you review, and your room can be described just like the associated equipment is listed. If a reviewer is writing about a pair of flagship speakers and driving them with a 20-year-old tube amplifier running the original tubes, then that's the context in which the reader needs to interpret "there was mid-range warmth and some lack of detail".

    This is already how I read reviews from certain people in the audio review industry. It's also why I sometimes ignore parts of reviews that I know cannot be accurate, knowing how other equipment must compare and our current state of technology.
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    EMM labs DAC thread turns into the pros and cons of good and bad reviews of audio equipment. IMO all reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt, none to be trusted. Just look how Stereophile has turned into everything is a Class A product.
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    Bumping this thread as the EMM Labs DA2v2 is on my short list.

    With SF Aidas (a touch "warm) and D'ag electronics (neutral) - I tend to prefer a warm, full sound. I bought 6 Dacs and auditioned a 7th in the last couple months and did a shootout with the following DACS: Mcintosh MDA-1000, PS Audio DSD Dac, Schiit Yggy Less is More, AMR 777-SE, dCS Debussy, Lampizator B3, and I demoed a dCS Debussy.

    Not to get off track, but I didn't like the dCS, as it came across as too "Bright" in my system. The PS Audio was pleasant and smooth - but too smoothed over (and every song sounded homogenized). AMR was a great "all rounder" very smooth and organic. The Lampi was the best in terms of organic sound and soundstage.

    I was pretty geared up to by the EMM Labs Da2, but have hesitated because a couple of folks have told me that they can be bright. I am all for detail and separation, but if the upper frequencies are too high, it's nails on a chalkboard to my ears.

    EMM folks, what do you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Bumping this thread as the EMM Labs DA2v2 is on my short list.

    With SF Aidas (a touch "warm) and D'ag electronics (neutral) - I tend to prefer a warm, full sound. I bought 6 Dacs and auditioned a 7th in the last couple months and did a shootout with the following DACS: Mcintosh MDA-1000, PS Audio DSD Dac, Schiit Yggy Less is More, AMR 777-SE, dCS Debussy, Lampizator B3, and I demoed a dCS Debussy.

    Not to get off track, but I didn't like the dCS, as it came across as too "Bright" in my system. The PS Audio was pleasant and smooth - but too smoothed over (and every song sounded homogenized). AMR was a great "all rounder" very smooth and organic. The Lampi was the best in terms of organic sound and soundstage.

    I was pretty geared up to by the EMM Labs Da2, but have hesitated because a couple of folks have told me that they can be bright. I am all for detail and separation, but if the upper frequencies are too high, it's nails on a chalkboard to my ears.

    EMM folks, what do you say?

    My shortlist is the DA2, Playback Designs Dream DAC, MSB Premier or getting an Aurender N10 (or Lumin u1/innuos Zenith) and "suffering on" with my Baltic 3 for a while (which is actually not bad)
    Hey Jason,
    Just a suggestion, but consider rolling some different tubes into your Lampi. It's fun and you may find a set that gets you to your "destination", once and for all.

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    Jason - I have a close friend that’s using the Aurender N20 with the EMM D2V2 with Pass XS pre, BAT tubed Monos into Avantgarde Trios. The musicality and presentation of this system is exceptional. While a home audition is highly recommended at this price point, my thoughts are that the EMM would be a really good match in your system.
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    Having compared the EMM to the MSB offerings (see OP), I cannot recommend the MSB enough. Sounds like tape, like music. So analog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Hey Jason,
    Just a suggestion, but consider rolling some different tubes into your Lampi. It's fun and you may find a set that gets you to your "destination", once and for all.
    I'm open to some tube rolling - unless I find a Dac that knocks my socks off as-is-

    I plan to try and audition a few more (preferably not ones that I have to buy to hear) and if the B3 is a keeper, i'm all for tweaking it to get it just right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Jason - I have a close friend that’s using the Aurender N20 with the EMM D2V2 with Pass XS pre, BAT tubed Monos into Avantgarde Trios. The musicality and presentation of this system is exceptional. While a home audition is highly recommended at this price point, my thoughts are that the EMM would be a really good match in your system.
    Good to hear - --

    I'd love to hear one without having to buy it first. Any Colorado EMM owners want to do a shootout
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    Thanks for your thoughts.

    I prefer the way MSB looks, and I also appreciate that there seems to be a more established secondary market with the MSB offerings.

    In my research, the EMM gear seems to depreciate pretty hard, with a fairly rough secondary market. The reviews are pretty stellar, but I've tried to reach out to EMM directly a few times and it has been like pulling teeth to connect. (Left a message for a callback from the sales guy, and got ghosted. Sent multiple emails, with no reply. Finally called a 3rd time and spoke to someone who could at least answer one question. I'd be terrified if I had to do any serious service.)

    All that pain is OK if the sound blows me away.

    How would you describe the EMM House sound with the D2A? With the MSB being more "tape" like, what is the signature sound of the EMM.

    I've established I'm not a dCS guy, as I find it fatiguing and bright (in my system). I've heard the EMM stuff is very detailed, but is smoother than the dCS gear, but not as smooth as the MSB--




    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Having compared the EMM to the MSB offerings (see OP), I cannot recommend the MSB enough. Sounds like tape, like music. So analog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Thanks for your thoughts.

    I prefer the way MSB looks, and I also appreciate that there seems to be a more established secondary market with the MSB offerings.

    In my research, the EMM gear seems to depreciate pretty hard, with a fairly rough secondary market. The reviews are pretty stellar, but I've tried to reach out to EMM directly a few times and it has been like pulling teeth to connect. (Left a message for a callback from the sales guy, and got ghosted. Sent multiple emails, with no reply. Finally called a 3rd time and spoke to someone who could at least answer one question. I'd be terrified if I had to do any serious service.)

    All that pain is OK if the sound blows me away.

    How would you describe the EMM House sound with the D2A? With the MSB being more "tape" like, what is the signature sound of the EMM.

    I've established I'm not a dCS guy, as I find it fatiguing and bright (in my system). I've heard the EMM stuff is very detailed, but is smoother than the dCS gear, but not as smooth as the MSB--
    If you find DCS fatiguing, EMM is far more detailed. Hopefully Elberoth will weigh in here. He’s had both.


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