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January 10, 2020, 01:50 PM #1
EMM Labs DA2
I had a visit from the new EMM distributor today. Had the opportunity to listen to the new DA2 today in the store. The distributor was kind enough to leave it with me for a few weeks so we will be giving it a good listen!
The DA2 and MSB Premier couldn’t be more different in their presentation. They are both excellent in their own way.
Fun times! Here’s a few pics.
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January 10, 2020, 03:41 PM #2
Re: EMM Labs DA2
And what was your favourite flavour Mike?
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January 10, 2020, 03:52 PM #3
Re: EMM Labs DA2
What you guys need to understand, is that as much as I would love to say, (and they are both truly are great), but, some people get some serious butt hurt - even when you are just pointing out TECHNICAL differences or deficiencies. When I had the Innuos on loan and gave my honest feedback, it created a problem. And I liked it, but if you state one negative thing, that’s all they focus on, even if it’s technical in nature.
And you guys wonder why there are no “bad reviews.” LOL.
Let’s just say that they are both great (and they are!!!!!) and everyone should really listen and decide on their own.
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January 10, 2020, 04:33 PM #4
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Anthony
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January 10, 2020, 04:53 PM #5
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Re: EMM Labs DA2
I love my EMM Labs DV2!!
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January 10, 2020, 05:05 PM #6
Re: EMM Labs DA2
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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January 10, 2020, 05:05 PM #7
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Nicely stated Mike.
Without having A/B'd the two units (or speaking with Mike) my "assumption" is that the MSB has a smoother and better mid-range with great vocal clarity. The EMM unit is more detailed and seemingly able to extract more information. Each of those will have proponents.Jim
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January 10, 2020, 06:01 PM #8
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Is there any sonic difference between the DA2 and DV2?
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January 10, 2020, 06:07 PM #9
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I have a friend locally that has this EMM DAC. It is a terrific piece with lots of flexibility. Keep us posted Mike!
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January 10, 2020, 06:29 PM #10
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January 17, 2020, 06:18 PM #11
EMM Labs DA2
Quick update: this DA2 is breaking in nicely. I find it very particular with the right cables and the overall system synergy. Gobs of detail. It’s a very front row presentation. All good, yet different. Right now we have it connected with to the Luxman C900u and M900u on the M2’s. Getting much better synergy with this system Vs the Fyne’s and Viva. The Fyne’s have gobs of detail and it might have been too much of a good thing. The sweetness of the Luxman and the balanced neutrality and naturalness is the Magico’s is a good match.
No, I will not give a big comparison to MSB. But let me just say, MSB is like listening to Reel to Reel Tape. This is different, but still good.
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January 23, 2020, 05:58 PM #12
Re: EMM Labs DA2
https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/revie...c-review-r872/
DV2 Review. "The EMM Labs DV2 is as good or better than anything I've ever heard in my reference system. Period."
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January 23, 2020, 06:00 PM #13
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Preamp/Digital: Meitner MA3
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Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
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January 23, 2020, 06:09 PM #14My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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January 23, 2020, 08:01 PM #15
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Main System - Lumin U2, Modwright LS36.5 DM Preamp, VTV Purifi 1ET-7040SA with tube buffer, EMM Labs DAC 2X (ver. 2), Torus RM-20, Thiel CS 3.7s, 2 Rel S/812 subs
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January 23, 2020, 08:03 PM #16
Re: EMM Labs DA2
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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January 23, 2020, 08:05 PM #17
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There's a long thread about the streamer and their proprietary connection - EMM Labs - NS1 Network Streamer
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January 23, 2020, 08:42 PM #18
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Thanks Phil. Just read it. Definitely sounds like a great piece. I will definitely ask the rep to give it a try.
My personal observation is that this is a great DAC which needs some break in and it is a bit particular with cables and source. Get it right and it rewards you in spades. It’s definitely a “front row” presenation and definitely a micro detail champ. Big soundstage too. I also found the XLR output sounds better than the RCA.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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January 26, 2020, 10:18 AM #19
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Interesting points on the AES/SPDIF connections:
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January 28, 2020, 10:35 AM #20
EMM Labs DA2
As you are all aware, I spend a lot of time and money to go to shows like Munich, like Axpona and RMAF and I also spend a lot of time testing and evaluating a variety of potential products for the store on a seemingly constant basis. I’ve enjoyed sharing some of these journeys with you.
But it’s amazing to me how lazy some dealers are. It’s amazing to me how many just copy me rather than do the travel and the work themselves. Unfortunately, I’m going to have to be more guarded about what I’m evaluating or considering in the future.
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January 28, 2020, 01:49 PM #21
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January 28, 2020, 08:31 PM #22
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Every tree has a bad apple. You are one of the good guys Mike. We appreciate your candor and honesty.
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Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
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Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
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February 6, 2020, 09:31 AM #23
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Yes EMMlabs is wonderfull. I'm lucky enough my dealer has some great EMMlabs gear. No way in hell that I can ever afford EMMlabs (or Meitner)Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 6, 2020, 07:13 PM #24
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Preamp/Digital: Meitner MA3
HT Processor: Bryston SP3
Amps: Bryston 14b3, Bryston 4b3
Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
Sub: REL Carbon Special
Power: Shunyata Denali, Bryston BIT15
Wires: Wireworld Silver Eclipse XLR & SC, Ethernet - WW Platinum USB
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February 7, 2020, 05:15 AM #25
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Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 7, 2020, 11:53 AM #26
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February 12, 2020, 10:36 PM #27
Re: EMM Labs DA2
Not sure if my post was confusing, but I am adding EMMLabs. Starting with a DV2 which already has the latest and greatest upgrade. The DA2 will get this upgrade this summer.
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February 12, 2020, 11:34 PM #28
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Interesting, congrats Mike. What will the MA2 upgrade pertain?
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March 18, 2020, 09:47 AM #29
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My upgrade was just finished, and is shipping back later this week.
There’s a major USB upgrade, but also “The entire analog chain has been redesigned improving transparency and definition, especially in low frequency response which I believe will put your jaw on the floor almost instantly. The V2 also has a new FPGA design, new modulators, new digital filters and a more efficient signal path. In the menu you can now designate the output voltage for better pairing with different preamps. And finally, the DA2 V2 is now MQA certified over USB input and core decoding over EMM Link when paired with the NS1 Network Streamer.”
That’s direct from Amadeus Meitner
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Speakers: Kef Reference 5, Kef Reference 4c
Sub: REL Carbon Special
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-Kyle
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March 18, 2020, 10:28 AM #30
Re: EMM Labs DA2
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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I started my journey into audio at a young age. Tinkering with my first Aiwa stereo to get the most out of it, then progressed into the best audio equipment I could find for my first few cars. I’ve progressed through the years trying to build the best home audio system I could. I’ve had a plethora of DACs built on more chips than a bag of Doritos. DACs costing a few thousand dollars to cost-no-object equipment that costs more than a 7 series BMW. Ladders, AKM, Sabre, Burr-Brown, a handful of proprietary designs..you name it, I’ve had it come through my system. Yet none of them provided the perfection I sought. It wasn’t until the introduction of the EMM Labs DA2 In to my system that I knew my search had ended. The DA2 is exceedingly transparent, without the hint of coloration. A perfect balance of frequencies from top-to-bottom. I was utterly blown away with the drum kit on Medeski, Martin, & Wood’s “Last Chance To Dance Trance (Perhaps).” The crack of the snare, the decay of the bell on the ride cymbal, the thud of the kick drum.. all made be feel like I was sitting at my own drum kit. Listening to this DAC is a surreal experience for any true audiophile. With the V2 upgrade they’ve improved what I thought couldn’t be improved. Get ready to hear every-last-detail of your source material, good or bad. I’ve found myself re-listening to songs and albums I’ve heard hundreds of times, yet finding myself shocked that I never heard “that part” of the song before. This is as close to real world reproduction as I have ever heard. Don’t let anyone tell you that it isn’t possible for an analog sound out of digital equipment. Anyone saying that hasn’t heard the the EMM Labs DA2 V2. Pair it with the NS1, and PRE prepare for an even more incredible experience
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Mike, you are so right on with your comments re no bad reviews and folks focussing on one or two slightly negative points. If I get something in to review that I can't get into, it goes back to the manufacturer. Just because I didn't vibe with it, doesn't automatically mean it's a bad product, so writing something negative doesn't help anyone.
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November 17, 2021, 12:35 AM #35
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Dave, I’m wondering though if this isn’t a slippery slope. Can you imagine ANY other industry acting like this? Cars, appliances, apparel, etc. This is why we are seeing the rise of Vloggers and other types of sites like pay sites giving reviews with a different angle.
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I kind of think the slope has already slipped. That's part of the reason I encouraged everyone who listened to the DAC I designed to write what they thought, even if they didn't like it or liked something else better. Negative reviews can help potential customers figure out if a product is really right for them, just as much as positive reviews (e.g. your recent review of the Tesla braking system). Especially in such a subjective market.
Of course, negative reviews are more beneficial to an unknown brand or product, than to something well known (New Coke?), but I still think it's the honest way to approach things, and research seems to find customers agree (Google search returns many results if anyone is curious). The only exception would be if there's some fatal flaw in your product, like a safety issue or a serious technical issue, but in that case it probably is better overall if no one buys your product.Neko Audio
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Mike,
I get what you're saying yet hifi gear is so subjective. In a perfect world, how do you think it should be reviewed? I'm legit asking, not being argumentative.
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November 19, 2021, 07:21 PM #38
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Hi Dave - first, want to say how glad I am that you’re here. I look forward to meeting you at the Florida Audio Expo.
Second, I’m a fan of the reviewers, but I know first hand how careful they have to be. In my opinion, we should be all comfortable enough to see reviews which point out all pro’s, con’s and known comparisons. No candy coating. No tip toeing. Build, features and sound are all compared with an open Kimono. No finishing a Luke warm review with “if you’re in the market for a DAC costing $5000, you should check ABC DAC out.” No, it should read: “I can’t recommend this DAC. It didn’t handle DSD well, it doesn’t have MQA, sonically it was quite thin and bright. There are better DAC’s for less such as X, Y and Z.” Whatever. Just an example. When I reviewed the Lumin A1, I gave an honest fair review pointing out the pro’s and con’s. This was long before I was a dealer.
I just watched a review of the Porsche Boxster 25 and the reviewer said “I hate the interior. No, no. It just doesn’t work.” And made some jokes.
There are numerous examples of car reviews. Just watch old Top Gear. I can’t speak about watches, dishwashers, coffee makers, lawn mowers or things like that, but the car industry is a good example.
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Thanks, Mike.
Yeah, Florida will be fun! Let's hang.
As far as the review situation, I agree that it would be fun to see more no-punches-pulled reviews. But there is an inherent problem that doesn't have anything to do with politics and conflicts of interest.
What if in the case of a speaker, my room just doesn't like it? Or with electronics, the system synergy is way off? Or what if my preferences of what I like to hear is very different from someone else? What about being so locked into the way my reference system sounds, there is very little psychological room to embrace a different sounding, but high performing piece of gear? It's tricky.
I am always honest in my pieces and don't overly sugar coat, but since I make sure to only write about stuff that I think sounds good, I can totally see how it might come off as the same ole rave.
As I said, I've sent several things back that I thought were poor sounding or had poorly designed operating features - with my feedback to the manufacturer. I've also reviewed things that are highly regarded by many folks - but that I had a harder time with, although if you read closely I'm clear about the issues I had.
I feel like hifi reviews are SO subjective it falls in more of a wine review category as opposed to cars or other stuff.
My main focus is to talk in an entertaining way and tell a story about how a piece of gear sounded to ME, in the hope that someone in the market for that kind of product is inspired to make an effort to hear it for themselves.
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When researching something one needs to read multiple reviews, the reviewer needs to clearly articulate why they hold the opinion they have and in what environment, and one also needs to get a feel for how to interpret and how much to trust the reviewer. That's why people go to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, and the top reviewers featured on those platforms explain and compare so the reader knows why, and can also decide if that matters to them and in what way.
As an example, one of the negative reviews of Schindler's List complains about how good and evil is not clearly presented to the viewer. So, okay, I get some idea of how much to value that reviewer's opinion and what he was personally looking for, and also what sort of movie Schindler's List is going to be.
The room should theoretically have the same general impact for all the gear you review, and your room can be described just like the associated equipment is listed. If a reviewer is writing about a pair of flagship speakers and driving them with a 20-year-old tube amplifier running the original tubes, then that's the context in which the reader needs to interpret "there was mid-range warmth and some lack of detail".
This is already how I read reviews from certain people in the audio review industry. It's also why I sometimes ignore parts of reviews that I know cannot be accurate, knowing how other equipment must compare and our current state of technology.Neko Audio
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November 20, 2021, 05:26 PM #41
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EMM labs DAC thread turns into the pros and cons of good and bad reviews of audio equipment. IMO all reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt, none to be trusted. Just look how Stereophile has turned into everything is a Class A product.
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Bumping this thread as the EMM Labs DA2v2 is on my short list.
With SF Aidas (a touch "warm) and D'ag electronics (neutral) - I tend to prefer a warm, full sound. I bought 6 Dacs and auditioned a 7th in the last couple months and did a shootout with the following DACS: Mcintosh MDA-1000, PS Audio DSD Dac, Schiit Yggy Less is More, AMR 777-SE, dCS Debussy, Lampizator B3, and I demoed a dCS Debussy.
Not to get off track, but I didn't like the dCS, as it came across as too "Bright" in my system. The PS Audio was pleasant and smooth - but too smoothed over (and every song sounded homogenized). AMR was a great "all rounder" very smooth and organic. The Lampi was the best in terms of organic sound and soundstage.
I was pretty geared up to by the EMM Labs Da2, but have hesitated because a couple of folks have told me that they can be bright. I am all for detail and separation, but if the upper frequencies are too high, it's nails on a chalkboard to my ears.
EMM folks, what do you say?
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Jason - I have a close friend that’s using the Aurender N20 with the EMM D2V2 with Pass XS pre, BAT tubed Monos into Avantgarde Trios. The musicality and presentation of this system is exceptional. While a home audition is highly recommended at this price point, my thoughts are that the EMM would be a really good match in your system.
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February 10, 2022, 07:50 PM #45
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Having compared the EMM to the MSB offerings (see OP), I cannot recommend the MSB enough. Sounds like tape, like music. So analog.
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Thanks for your thoughts.
I prefer the way MSB looks, and I also appreciate that there seems to be a more established secondary market with the MSB offerings.
In my research, the EMM gear seems to depreciate pretty hard, with a fairly rough secondary market. The reviews are pretty stellar, but I've tried to reach out to EMM directly a few times and it has been like pulling teeth to connect. (Left a message for a callback from the sales guy, and got ghosted. Sent multiple emails, with no reply. Finally called a 3rd time and spoke to someone who could at least answer one question. I'd be terrified if I had to do any serious service.)
All that pain is OK if the sound blows me away.
How would you describe the EMM House sound with the D2A? With the MSB being more "tape" like, what is the signature sound of the EMM.
I've established I'm not a dCS guy, as I find it fatiguing and bright (in my system). I've heard the EMM stuff is very detailed, but is smoother than the dCS gear, but not as smooth as the MSB--
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February 10, 2022, 09:56 PM #49
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This is a 12 volt LPS....is that sufficient ?....I thought one needed something like 19/20 volts, especially if doing DSP, etc.
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